At what point will you stand up to authoritarianism?

originally posted by: MDDoxs
Welcome to ATS new member.

In response to your OP,

If government orders vaxxed people to round up and massacre unvaxxed people will they do it to their unvaxxed neighbors? All in the name of the good of the commune?

No.

That is a bold statement when it has already been shown that the pro-"vaccine" crowd is willing to sign petitions to arrest those wishing to not be a part of their experiment...



In truth we are not far from the OPs question at all. Simply look to Australia/New Zealand/ Canada.

a reply to: elementalgrove
That could likely be propaganda....and preconditioning.
Bit like this thread really lol.

originally posted by: SwampFox999
a reply to: humanResistance
We are in a handbasket to hell. And there isnt any stopping it. Those in control have learned from mistakes of the past. See, here's the rub. As long as there is wifi, cable, Mickey Ds and walmart, all anyone is gonna do is grumble and b*tch. Myself included.

As someone who has been working against this agenda for decades, both in public perception and in the actual alternative paths.. gonna have to strongly disagree. Well, except for the part about inculcated victimhood and helplessness. Thats very real, and very intentional.

They want us angry, hopeless, and feeling backed into a corner. Then, with the right catalyst, they want people to get violent. They have neatly packaged narratives for both sides too! The Corporate Congregation will direct their ire towards those that dissent as literal heretics (unvaxxed, unscientific, nonbelievers), and the other "side" is directed to believe that there are no other paths but "grumbling and bitching" and eventually.. picking up arms or just getting violent in general. Lashing out.

Anyone who walks these roads are all part of the same social momentum. They are all responsible for where this might go, whether that is from mindless obedience or mindless discontentment. They are all based around the experience of "I hate it, and they are the ones at fault!"

There is plenty of historical context for what is happening, but it is absolutely critical to understand how this would actually play out in the modern context. We can examine things like the Iron Law of Oligarchy, the general strategies of actual conflicts, supply chains, infrastructure, etc. But they dont specifically target modern circumstances.




I believe that every individual should have access to the technology that would provide their basic needs. Much like how government shouldnt have exclusive access to firearms or speech, power structures shouldnt have exclusive access to the tools and technology that everyone is dependent upon for our very survival. The most basic is food, but in the modern context and in some prescriptions, this would easily include other aspects like energy and manufacturing.

Thats what all of this is about. Creating that exclusive access, and therefore.. control. The authoritarianism, totalitarianism, and outright tyranny that is being created is entirely dependent on individuals remaining ignorant about self-sufficient technologies and processes like decentralized automation, food production, manufacturing, etc.

For now at least, we can buy all that stuff online on sites like amazon and ebay. Its elegantly ironic in that respect.. However, it requires individuals actually pop out of the despair & obsession for juuuuust long enough to add some stuff to their cart and click the pay button. Then, we can deploy air-gapped, non-corporate automation to complement this in demographics that might struggle due to ignorance or disability.

Simples!

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: elementalgrove
That could likely be propaganda....and preconditioning.
Bit like this thread really lol.

Ah so you see this thread and the thought experiment to be what is causing the results of the thought experiment of the above video?

Not the CIA (nazi) operation mockingbird application of Goebbels use of propaganda, precisely what we see on all multinational news outlets.

a reply to: humanResistance

Hitler was just trying to copycat what the U.S did to the Native American Indians & lost.

No, people will not do that because of this virus. Sure it was a meteocre virus compared to what could be released or occur. So if something more deadly had arisen than yes, obviously people would have; evidence based by peoples reaction to this mere virus compared to what is in labs.

It is more fantasy driven in that the majority really fell into that zombie apocolyptic scenerio. If we see another pandemic that has even a 7 percent death rate than the biggest concern is the fact people would turn on each other in deathly ways. The government would round up for sure, they would have no choice because of how people would react with violence against one another. There would have to be forced vaccinations.

Maybe if people didn't freak out & leave shelves empty & start fights & create all of the nonesense out there from Covid than that wouldn't be necessary. People are way to self destructive during stress periods to be allowed any type of freedom when dealt with adversity like that though. If something this small can set off what it did, people for sure would make a huge catasstrophy over something 4 times as deadly.

It is sad to see people needing to be refrained from freedom in order to not commit mass murders again but it is human nature & as of right now by many recent evidence based facts very needed.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

It ain't just the woke ones that'll shoot their fellow citizens. Soldiers follow orders. When those orders are issued, they are re-issued and re-issued until they reach the ears of the troops who carry them out. By that time, you can bet they will be followed.

If the Army shows up in your neighborhood, you better be the one who's first on the trigger. I'll guarantee those soldiers won't hesitate anymore than that weird haircut thing (can't tell if male or female) in your video.

Please stop using Nazi Germany as an example, it is nothing like that,,,,, yet.
In Germany at that time the majority of Germans were told to hate but many did not. It was the armed minority that dictated the hatred and killings and as some soldiers used the excuse of following orders, they were in the same situation of these civilians that were supposed to "speak up". So for them it was not a threat, it was the very real outcome if you showed ANY dissention you WOULD be taken away and killed. Not might, a certainty. THAT'S why people never spoke up.
At the moment we are very far from that situation. But that's not saying it might come about, but then again it takes a special "soldier" to inflict that on their fellow citizens.

a reply to: MDDoxs

It's nice to see you here again.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
There is plenty of historical context for what is happening, but it is absolutely critical to understand how this would actually play out in the modern context.

This is something I think about on a daily basis. A student of history and psychology will have an understanding for the way things are unfolding, it's been done before. However, with modern circumstances there are a wider variety of likely outcomes from this. All the pieces are in place to facilitate the manipulation of the worldwide populace, that's terrifying!

An idea that gives me strength and purpose, is that we all *chose* to be here for this. In the spirit realm, we decided to incarnate into this very timeline to play a role. I think of it sometimes as a type virtual reality video game that we decided to play, and we pretend that this is real. Someday we will emerge from this game; was it fun? did you win, did you fail?

From that perspective, things are not that hopeless and scary. Learn the rules of the game through history and psychology. Think about what you want your role to be so that you can emerge a winner.

originally posted by: humanResistance
If government orders vaxxed people to round up and massacre unvaxxed people will they do it to their unvaxxed neighbors?

I don't know my neighbor's vax status but there's this unvaccinated guy in Portland who's stuff I want so I call dibs on him.

originally posted by: Kocag
a reply to: MDDoxs

It's nice to see you here again.

Thanks.

a reply to: humanResistance

First they came for those who spoke out against the Left, and I did not speak out— Because I was not against the left. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Christians and I didn't speak out because I'm no Christian. Then they came for the unvaxxed and I didn't speak out... because I wasn't unvaxxed... Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. — Martin Niemöller

originally posted by: humanResistance
In the 1930s the German government ordered massacre of millions of Jewish people and Germans massacred millions of their Jewish neighbors in the name of government order. If government orders vaxxed people to round up and massacre unvaxxed people will they do it to their unvaxxed neighbors? All in the name of the good of the commune?

What does murdering a million unvaxxed citizens accomplish? Wouldn't it be smarter to just round up all the unvaxxed and shove them in a room together to receive an aerosol version of the vaccine? Mass innoculation and then send them home?

I'm not advocating this method, simply pointing out that killing the unvaxxed is counter intuitive and completely misses the point of immunology as a health practice. What the Nazis did was called eugenics, the idea that genetic purity is the key to a successful nation. That's not what vaccine technology is for.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: humanResistance
In the 1930s the German government ordered massacre of millions of Jewish people and Germans massacred millions of their Jewish neighbors in the name of government order. If government orders vaxxed people to round up and massacre unvaxxed people will they do it to their unvaxxed neighbors? All in the name of the good of the commune?

What does murdering a million unvaxxed citizens accomplish? Wouldn't it be smarter to just round up all the unvaxxed and shove them in a room together to receive an aerosol version of the vaccine? Mass innoculation and then send them home?

I'm not advocating this method, simply pointing out that killing the unvaxxed is counter intuitive and completely misses the point of immunology as a health practice. What the Nazis did was called eugenics, the idea that genetic purity is the key to a successful nation. That's not what vaccine technology is for.

Because the kind of people who worship the pharmaceutical companies and are devout vaccine believers absolutely despise those of us who haven't got the vaccine yet.

a reply to: face23785

Have you actually had a conversation with a vaccine advocate who said that all the non vaxxed should be herded into camps and executed?