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originally posted by: av8r007
I'm unvaxed, I'm free, and I'm alive, not sick and healthy as a horse, not masked, and all of you covid fear pushers are the biggest screamers of fire in the movie theater. How do you all look yourselves in the mirror at night and take yourselves seriously. What a crock this all has been.
A vaxxed person also has a 50-60% lower risk of transmitting covid, so if one vaxed person has covid and stands next to another vaxxed person the first vaxxed person has significantly reduced chance of transmitting convid to the second person and the second person has a significantly reduced risk of being infected, and if they are infected then this recharges their immunity.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AaarghZombies
It is also proof that the vaxed will at this stage of the game have to be vaxed for life to maintain that immunity. This is what you would expect at this time period. But after six months if you have survived the two shots without harm the booster is still a question mark, I am sure things will be clearer soon.
Given that the data which was released was a snapshot of cases to date, and not a case study over time there is absolutely no way that you could use it support your conclusion.
You're welcome to try, I actively invite you to try. Just remember that in order to demonstrate your conclusion you're going to need to prove it mathematically, so any answer that you give which doesn't include the math needed to explain how you reached it can't actually be considered an answer, just a conclusion.
Now, on to the topic at hand.
If a person is vaxed their immunity will diminish over time, but this is a gradual decrease, not an exponential one, and in the majority of the population it won't ever reduce to zero.
If that vaxxed person is exposed to Covid then they initially have an 85% chance that they will either not be infected with covid or will only experience mild symptoms, this 85% will decrease over time, but each subsequent time they are exposed to covid their immunity will go back up again. The amount of increase will vary from person to person. This is because each time you are exposed to covid it's like getting a booster shot. You're body already knows how to fight it, so it's easier to do so.
A vaxxed person also has a 50-60% lower risk of transmitting covid, so if one vaxed person has covid and stands next to another vaxxed person the first vaxxed person has significantly reduced chance of transmitting convid to the second person and the second person has a significantly reduced risk of being infected, and if they are infected then this recharges their immunity.
On the other hand, an unvaxxed person doesn't have this initial immunity and so in more likely to get infected the first time, and more likely to get sick the first time.
After that, they're in EXACTLY THE SAME BOAT as the vaxxed when it comes to booster shots. Their immunity will also decrease over time, but the vaxxed are more likely to have a booster shot which means that they get a free recharge to their immunity without the risk of getting sick, which the unvaxxed don't have, because the only place that they can get a recharge form is being infected a second time.
Of course, if everyone got vaxxed the amount of covid in the environment would be so low that booster shots wouldn't be necessary. Remember, the booster is used to guard against covid that primarily exists inside the unvaxxed.
Yes, the unvaxxed are the main suppliers of covid, without them boosters may not need to be a thing at all.
it is these variations in the genes which create the spike protein.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: HawkEyi
Not without booster shots which you would became depended.
Dependent.
Are you saying that without a booster you are more subject to severe infection? Do you have a source for this claim?
Or are you saying that you may be more likely to become infected? That you are safe from being re-infected if you are not vaccinated? Do you have a source for this claim?
Yeah, that can't happen if you aren't vaccinated.
Or catching the covid/flu while being vaxed.
how does the test differentiate the alpha from delta or any other variant? My understanding is that it does not.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: HawkEyi
because after reading the article you have to come another conclusion to all of this.
You didn't explain why.
Delta is more transmissible than Alpha. This means the R factor is higher. This means that one person who is infected can infect more people than Alpha did.
The vaccines were never claimed to be able to completely stop infection or transmission but evidence showed that (with Alpha) it did both to some degree.
It is clearly apparent that the vaccines greatly reduce the risk of severe disease.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Frankly, we're too busy looking down on people like you to bother with any of that stuff.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Frankly, we're too busy looking down on people like you to bother with any of that stuff.
and there it is. Truth.
originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: AaarghZombies
Are you masking and vaccinating your pets and wild animals? Are they not unvaccinated resevoirs?
originally posted by: knoxie
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Frankly, we're too busy looking down on people like you to bother with any of that stuff.
and there it is. Truth.
Awwww, did he hurt your feelings?
originally posted by: GFBufCA
a reply to: chr0naut
You have to really think your target audience for this comment is too simple to see the obvious.
There's a HUGE difference between a mechanical apparatus that is clear in how it functions and the risk of dying without it is 99.9% versus the opposite scenario of a virus without a 99.9%
survival rate even when not vaxed. (Ie "not wearing a parachute")
Furthermore I don't need a degree is astrophysics or a degree in medicine to understand how rope and a big tarp catching air works, vs understanding what's in a drug pushed aggressively by companies and governments who have TERRIBLE track records regarding what they do with immunity and blind trust when there's money to be made.
See the problem with these derogatory and simplified analogies is they require the listener to be as gullible and stupid as the person pushing the analogy.
Now excuse me while I walk around with a parachute on just in case some dirty non parachute wearing fanatic, from the opposite political party as me, pushes me off a curb.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut
what are the chances of death from covid for a 50 year old male who doesn't take the vaccine?
now, what are the chances of death when exiting an airplane at altitude without a parachute?
your answer should explain even to you, why your drunken logic continues to fail.