The Final Nail Nursing Home Staff Required to get Shots

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: vonclod

So what happens to Grandma when the Nursing Home shuts down from lack of staff? The family already couldn’t take her in? She just kicked to the street?

And where else are those staffers gonna find jobs with full sleeve tattoos?

Hey buddy, if the people most at risk are in nursing homes/care homes..and you don't want the shot..wtf is supposed to happen in this instance? These are the people at the most risk.

Everyone talked about protecting the vulnerable as the alternative to lock downs..so, ya, this makes sense to me..go figure

I'm not a fan of vax passports, or forced anything..this is were I can live with an exception.

I understand what you are saying, but here is the conundrum. Mandate it, go ahead, and watch some people walk away because of the mandate. It's inevitable some will. Then what? Facilities will have staffing issues even worse than they do now. They will struggle and some will shut down for various reasons. Whether it's because they are fined into oblivion by AHCA or because they can't afford to pay travel nurses and still make a profit. This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation for those that insist on mandating vaccination. Facilities will shut down over this and some of these patients will have nowhere to go. So you now have homeless old people. What is worse? Now they are homeless and still could get covid.

a reply to: Khaleesi
I wish I had the answers. Up here about 85%+ of care home staff have had both.

Like I said, big game was talked about lets protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us carry on. It seems thats just talk, and goalpost moving, because now, excuses come out to "not" do everything to protect the vulnerable.

I dunno, we're f#$%ed!

a reply to: vonclod

My Uncle got Covid either at dialysis or at the hospital last year. He was tested and released from the hospital as a matter of procedure but was there for kidney related issues. Two days later the hospital called with “Oh by the way, you tested positive.” He had tested negative two weeks prior, which again as procedure at a different hospital before getting a fistula implanted for dialysis.

My initial reaction was “Great, I’ve been exposed” driving him the hour back home. But lucky I guess. But some time within those 2-3 weeks he got it from somewhere. And irresponsible actions nearly spread it others (his sister and myself) as we were in the car and he was coughing but wearing a mask.

a reply to: Ahabstar
I can relate.
In late feb 2020, just when this was becoming a thing, I had to go in to emerg for a kidney stone..fun stuff! everyone around me was hacking and spewing, I was there for about 11 hrs. I couldn't get out of there fast enough, I was in some real agony too..lol Thankfully, no vid for me. It's a mystery as to who gets it, or doesn't, or who gets it bad. I think the Delta is easier spread but probably less deadly, what that all means at the end of the day..I dunno.

a reply to: Khaleesi

You broke it down into 2 groups.

I broke it into 3 groups. Those that are waiting for full FDA approval. Those who think it's not necessary and those who think it's harmful and may cause sterility and TPTB are covering that up, i.e. conspiracists.

Some believe that there are other medical treatments already available that are cheaper than the new treatments.

The vaccine is free, and cheaper than any of the COVID therapies/treatments.

Some believe there are better and safer ways to boost the immune system.

Safer ways to boost their immune systems, or safer ways to protect nursing home or hospital patients who are immune compromised? Requiring caretaker staff to be vaccinated for the protection of the patients that they are charged to care for is quit a different goal than an individual deciding to protect oneself through healthy diet, exercise, supplements, etc.

Some believe that the FDA is too closely tied to the pharmaceutical companies and are basically corrupt.

All of this is beside the point. The point is the shortage of nurses already exists and this mandate will make it worse.

It seems you're suggesting that there such a large number of nurses, doctors and techs that are so afraid of getting the vax that they'd rather be allowed to infect patients than get the shot, and that should be acceptable to patients and their families. It seems you're suggesting that it's acceptable and just fine for health care workers not to trust the federal public health regulators, the drug makers or the drugs and therapies they're administering their patients.

In my opinion, any health care worker that doesn't agree with or has no faith in the system they're applying and administering should quit and find some kind of alternative health care job.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

it's not a matter of 'excuses', it's a matter of personal choice without threat of denial of participation in society.

For those that are waiting for the FDA to fully approve the vaccines, it's only a matter of time.

a reply to: vonclod

Yes, the talk was protect the vulnerable. I'm not looking at this from a pro or anti vax stance. I'm looking at this from a factual, logical position. There are people in the medical field that have all kinds of positions on this issue. Some are anti vax. Some are hesitant because the vax is so new. Some have religious reasons. Some have their own medical reasons for needing to be exempt. And some are just plain ornery and don't want people telling them what to do. And therein lies the conundrum. Even if you think this should be mandated, there is no way around the fact that it will impact staffing issues that already exist, making it even worse. Personally, knowing that, I would rather grandma have a roof over her head with people taking care of her. If she's homeless and still in danger of catching the virus, she's worse off. It is what it is.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: JAGStorm

I've had similar thoughts on this as well.

And it fits perfectly within "the great reset". A few years ago I am sure a lot of people have noticed there's a rise in over the top nationalism. Liberalism has seemingly taken a back seat, or has been shamed into almost submission. And all those who were pushing the neo - liberal agenda are dropping like flies or are turning out like good ol' uncle Joe, senile and out of touch with reality and losing their grip.

If you truly wanted to 'reset' the socio- economic and political world, you would first rid of the people who would warn you and pass down the dangers of what those people lived through. What the world went through between 1900 - 1945 is almost being memory holed on purpose.

Yes , Kill the Past to Conquer the Future . That was their " Evil Plan " from the Beginning .

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I'm just letting you know what I'm hearing from medical professionals. Believe me or not. As I said before, I'm not looking at this from a pro or anti vax position. I'm looking at what I see happening and what I'm hearing from those on the inside. Your opinion on what healthcare workers should do is neither here nor there. It doesn't matter what you or I think they should do. What matters is what they are willing to do. You can shame them all you want. It won't change the facts. They will do what they want, whether you like it or not.

originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: vonclod

Yes, the talk was protect the vulnerable. I'm not looking at this from a pro or anti vax stance. I'm looking at this from a factual, logical position. There are people in the medical field that have all kinds of positions on this issue. Some are anti vax. Some are hesitant because the vax is so new. Some have religious reasons. Some have their own medical reasons for needing to be exempt. And some are just plain ornery and don't want people telling them what to do. And therein lies the conundrum. Even if you think this should be mandated, there is no way around the fact that it will impact staffing issues that already exist, making it even worse. Personally, knowing that, I would rather grandma have a roof over her head with people taking care of her. If she's homeless and still in danger of catching the virus, she's worse off. It is what it is.

I hear you, I get it, I'm just unsure if the # of these hesitant workers is a substantial one, to where what you are describing happens.

a reply to: vonclod

Some cases of the common cold are various corona virus. Some are other virus and others are bacteria based. Eventually Covid will mutate into something that can be passed along to other hosts easier while leaving the original host alive to be a host again. But along the way, there are going to be crazy mutations that will be as bad as the original COVID-19 and super easy to catch.

And who knows, maybe a version that only gives you the walking farts and we will have to perfume our masks.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: vonclod

Some cases of the common cold are various corona virus. Some are other virus and others are bacteria based. Eventually Covid will mutate into something that can be passed along to other hosts easier while leaving the original host alive to be a host again. But along the way, there are going to be crazy mutations that will be as bad as the original COVID-19 and super easy to catch.

And who knows, maybe a version that only gives you the walking farts and we will have to perfume our masks.

Yes, more mutations to come, this is just going to keep going. Overall, mutations generally become less deadly, but there are instances where it went the other way..Zika virus I think is an example. I wonder about the mechanics of mutation, it's supposedly random, not really evolution..what exactly drives it?

a reply to: vonclod

what exactly drives it?

Co-existence. A healthy balance between life and death. Humans, all life really, have evolved to depend on certain viruses to survive. We wouldn't be alive without them.

The vast majority of viruses are not pathogenic to humans, and many play integral roles in propping up ecosystems. Others maintain the health of individual organisms – everything from fungi and plants to insects and humans. “We live in a balance, in a perfect equilibrium”, and viruses are a part of that, says Susana Lopez Charretón, a virologist at the National Autonomous University of Mexico. “I think we’d be done without viruses.”

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

In my opinion, any health care worker that doesn't agree with or has no faith in the system they're applying and administering should quit and find some kind of alternative health care job.

And that is exactly what will happen. They will quit.

The thing is, nursing homes are mostly elder care facilities. Most of the employees there are not nurses. The one in our town only has a few nurses. The rest are PCA's - personal care aides and help clean, dress, bathroom and answer call buttons of the persons living in the facility. They are the ones making 13.00 - 16.00 an hour and they will be the ones to leave for the McDonalds jobs. There is already understaffing issues in many of them and this will only make it worse. I believe there will be many to shut down.

a reply to: vonclod

Sookiechacha is right, partially it is about coexistence, because if all the hosts are killed then it has nowhere to go and dies. But the other driving factor is human immune response will encode a sequence to continue killing the virus. But the human immune response is a little different in everyone. I lived in the party house among our circle of friends back in the college days so colds were never called “Man Flu” but “The Castle Plague” as it became worse as it passed along visitors and residents alike. Part of that worsening is that your immune response would have to fight the cold and my immune response. And I have fought some nasty things over the years so my immune response basically is “shut everything down and nuke it from orbit”. Which you would get as a message to shut down your body, laying you up a couple days.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Khaleesi

It seems you're suggesting that there such a large number of nurses, doctors and techs that are so afraid of getting the vax that they'd rather be allowed to infect patients than get the shot, and that should be acceptable to patients and their families.

This is where your logic breaks down and you sound like an NPC.
Vaccinated have the virus and spread the virus through shedding.
Unvaccinated are not magical:
They can not give you a virus they don’t have....especially one that you’ve been vaccinated for.
If you’re worried about your loved one getting covid, then talk to them about getting vaccinated.
The laws of nature don’t change just because a political narrative does.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I cannot believe they are approving this despite how many people who have been injured from the "vaccine". People have died from this, people being hospitalized and they are still approving it, just shows you what a sick world we live in.

originally posted by: WillNotComply

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Khaleesi

It seems you're suggesting that there such a large number of nurses, doctors and techs that are so afraid of getting the vax that they'd rather be allowed to infect patients than get the shot, and that should be acceptable to patients and their families.

This is where your logic breaks down and you sound like an NPC.
Vaccinated have the virus and spread the virus through shedding.
Unvaccinated are not magical:
They can not give you a virus they don’t have....especially one that you’ve been vaccinated for.
If you’re worried about your loved one getting covid, then talk to them about getting vaccinated.
The laws of nature don’t change just because a political narrative does.

FINALLY someone gets it! If the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus and doesn't prevent you from spreading the virus ... it just makes the symptoms less problematic ... then to solution is to vaccinate the patients. Vaccinating the workers doesn't protect the patients. Vaccinating the patients protects the patients.

a reply to: vonclod

I hear you, I get it, I'm just unsure if the # of these hesitant workers is a substantial one, to where what you are describing happens.

Having dealt with an elderly parent and several nursing homes in the past half year, I can tell you without a doubt, even if they lose a small percent of workers it will be too much because they are already in the negative.
At some point, these places will have to close because they can't safely operate with a skeleton staff.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Update: This is anecdotal so take however you choose. My wife is a travel nurse. She is nearing the end of her current contract. Usually 2-3 weeks before a contract ends she starts setting up her next contract. She talks to several recruiters with the goal being to get the best deal. She spoke to one of her recruiters today and he told her he normally works with about 25 nurses. As of right now, 10 of his 25 nurses have quit because of the possibility of a mandated vaccine. Maybe he is an anomaly. Maybe not. We shall see.