Moderna starts human trials for its revolutionary HIV vaccine this week

Shh don't tell anyone but... I managed to get a sneak peek of the marketing departments initial concept to be broadcast in the news soon.

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: Bluntone22
Condoms are not effective against those cases I pointed out. Your example is not fitting, it might be funny sidemark but not in alignment with reality.

Therefor condoms are not an effective HIV vaccine. 2/3 of cases in Africa is still ignoring the breastmilk infection route and infection during birth.

If effective means smaller than 2/3 for you then I can accept that though, doesn't make your claim true.

I'm not trying to be funny.
I lost a highschool classmate to aids in the early 90's.
Not a close friend but close enough for it to hit home.

The reality is that a huge percentage of today's hiv cases could have been avoided by the use of condoms decades ago. That includes Africa where they ignore the medical advice given to them over those same decades.

Good luck stopping the drug addicts.

a reply to: marg6043

Seriously. Everyone that has older single family members that still want to be sexually active, let them know that much like the youngsters they also need to take precautions. Hearing the specifics was a "you've got to be snipping kidding me" moment.

a reply to: Hypntick

Actually the elderly are very much sexually active but is not HIV what is getting to them, but the herpes, is been rampant in the nursing homes, no is not joke, in my neck of the wood, is becoming a big problem.

I am talking the nursing homes like communities where the elderly drive and can go out, one of the reason why covid affected them soo much in GA.

a reply to: Bluntone22

The reality is that a huge percentage of today's hiv cases could have been avoided by the use of condoms decades ago.

I agree with that, that doesn't make your claim true either.

Tell that to a HIV infected that will die the same death as your friend, that didn't got it from sex. Tell them in their face that a condom is the vaccination we had for so long and blame them on not using one.

If you're serious about this like you say, you should see that.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I will absolutely blame them for having unprotected sex.
Our choices have consequences.
I will also show empathy to anyone suffering but ultimately it’s their own fault for the position they are in.

Eta, the classmate that died wasn’t really a friend. My class had nearly 300 students and I didn’t even know he died until I was told at a class reunion a few years later.

a reply to: Bluntone22

You don't get it. Not blaming them for having unprotected sex!

Again, this time with bold parts

Tell that to a HIV infected that will die the same death as your friend, that didn't got it from sex. Tell them in their face that a condom is the vaccination we had for so long and blame them on not using one.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Oops, read that wrong.. sorry.

I totally understand how innocent people have been effected.
But you must admit that their chances of getting the disease would be far lower had other people protected themselves.
This disease should have been nearly eliminated by now just by prevention.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I agree with that, condoms are a big factor but by far not THE vaccine. That was all I wanted to point out. You know, someone will pick this up in future, read this and take it for granted that a condom protects them 100%.

That's all I wanted to say, not to be a smartass but this is medical information, it take that serious

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

The nature of a retrovirus makes it incredibly difficult to kill/treat. It becomes you, essentially, by hijacking your DNA.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You’re probably right.
You try to make something idiot proof and someone will prove you wrong.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: HawkEyi
If this works as well as the COVID mRNA vaccine, everyone that takes it will develop AIDS.

Australia stopped trying to make a Covid vaccine after it seemed to give false positives for HIV, because I think they were using a HIV protein in it.
Australian vaccine abandoned over false HIV response.

Wonder if there's a connection? Not sure what came of it, but it was even alleged some Chinese scientist in Australia were possibly doing covid research with bats here and sending the results back to China.
CSIRO linked to coronavirus 'bat laboratory' theory.

Won't be surprised if 'Super Aids' is next and they try and scare us into taking a vaccine for that.

Not sure what's going in the world, but I think it's clear China's not doing this solo with various global connection to covid.

We're letting some humans play a dangerous game with the rest of our lives. HIV and covid Vaccines now, but what's next and then after that? We need to be a lot stricter on all science and medicine that has potential to wipe us out.

I mean why the hell are we engineering bat viruses, and swine flu's etc. to be more deadly or to be able to cross species anyway? like WTF?
It should be globally unacceptable and anyone doing so should be put up on charges for crimes against humanity no matter who they are or what nation they are from.

If I could trust other humans to do the right thing I'd probably accept a HIV vaccine, but sadly these people in powerful positions clearly have no morals or ethics. When they constantly lie, when they do terrible things how am I supposed to think they have my best interests at heart?

I just don't trust anyone in any government in the world any more. Been years since I did.

But when you have what German (and no doubt other nations) scientists did during World War II with medicine, That things like "Tuskegee Study" were an actual thing that existed as little as 50 years ago, when you have entire history too look upon and see what 'governments', and indeed humans in general are capable of doing to each other, it's kind of hard to trust them when they say "inject this into your body, it'll reduce the symptoms of the nasty thing we made and released."

HIV vaccine will probably be a case if "It doesn't stop you catching HIV, it doesn't stop you spreading HIV, it doesn't cure HIV, but it will reduce the effects of HIV if you catch it. Now keep the condom on at all times and stop socialising completely. Oh and come see us every six months for the booster shot so you can stay alive."

Worlds gone nuts. We're letting a few play god and not sure there is anything we can do about it any more.
Man we humans are insane creatures the stupid games we play.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

They might just change that to the real reason now, mRNA vaccines not being tested for long term side effects.

This Phase I trial will last 18 months.
clinicaltrials.gov...

If it meets desired outcomes it will be followed up with Phase 2 and then Phase 3 trials.

You're okay with a normal phase I trial of 18 months but also okay with the covid vaccine being administred to the masses within this window?

How does your brain handle the double speak that you, yourself speak here?

a reply to: litterbaux

I am "okay" with the results from the clinical trials of the COVID vaccines, yes. That's why I was willing to be vaccinated when my turn arose. The billions of dollars poured into the emergency effort greatly facilitated the expedited implementation of the trials. Without that capital, things progress at a slower pace.

Yes, many people are infected by HIV every year. But it is not as easily transmissible as SARS-COV-2 and does not have the potential to affect the general population in the same manner. Condoms work better probably than masks in the case of sexual transmission (but masks are better than nothing with COVID). There are also highly effective treatments for HIV infection. Treatments developed and proven over decades.

HIV is not an emergency but an effective vaccine would be a good thing. The largest question at this point, I think, is not the safety of mRNA vaccines but their efficacy against any particular virus. HIV is a bitch.

a reply to: HawkEyi

Who would they be planning to give this vaccine to? Will people be calling the Doctors asking for this vaccine... just in case they meet someone who has HIV?? Or do they plan to inject everyone in Africa with it because that's where most cases are??

Very weird and I see a low uptake on the offer.

If you catch HIV and these vaccines kill it off, then it makes sense.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

sure they could use a PCR test it would show up
according to the guy who invented it

Is the moderna hiv vaccine a combined effort on a global scale?

Is there data shared from the other hiv mRNA vaccines also being developed?

Are the regulatory bodies across the globe happy to deal with the trials in real time or will they do it in the more traditional wait your turn fashion?

It's not really the same thing.




a reply to: litterbaux

You do know that Kary Mullis was totally convinced that aids was not related to hiv infection right?

That's why he argued with faucci about the use of PCR tests in the first place. His invention was being used to confirm the link he was convinced was not there.



a reply to: sapien82

Bit off topic, kind of.

They are going to be using mrna technology to treat cancer also. Lots of research going into this.

a reply to: nonspecific

aye I read that and watched his videos

but according to what Kary said that a PCR test can find anything if you look for it because we have a molecule of nearly everything in some small part in our bodies , so the PCR tests can find anything you want to look for but doesnt mean that its actually in your body and its not a good diagnostic tool