What if people with just the common cold and Influenza are testing positive for Covid?

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: tanstaafl
So you claim that every single person that works in every single lab in every single country on the planet are all untrustworthy and intentionally doing it wrong?

Nope. Gaslight much?

Do you understand what the term 'leadership' means? You know, those at the top?

Oh - and there have been dozens of whistleblowers already, yet some people here simply dismiss them as kooks, then continue gaslighting.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: tanstaafl
"Got it - your opinion is always fact. Everyone else's is mere opinion."

Lol, pot meet kettle, perhaps this is a moment for your arrogant self, to self reflect.

Nope.

As I've said before.

You can think what you like but it doesn't affect the real world.

Let's leave this now before it gets all silly again when you get upset.

Stay happy and safe in whatever way you choose.



a reply to: tanstaafl

My best friend (at 75 yr retired Physician Assistant) got Influenza A at the same time that Corvid came out. He was in the hospital for 4 weeks, receiving antibiotics and steroids while getting 12 liters of Oxygen with a Helium mix. He almost died in there. He was discarded and still couldn't talk or walk without gasping for air (he was never tested in the Hospital for Corvid though). A year later he got the J&J single shot Corvid vaccine and in 3 days he was back riding 30 miles every other day and kayaking on the other days, but that only last for 2-3 months and now he's back in the hospital for the same initial symptoms and none of the specialists can figure out what's going on with him (he's SP02 is at 98% while his ABG is in the low to mid 60's, go figure?)

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: nonspecific

Thanks, so even though some forms of the cold virus are corona viruses, there is no chance they could be shown as a positive on the current testing for Covid 19?

Of course they could. In many case they are using single marker PCRs meaning that a single of RNA sequence is used to "identify" the virus. Let's say you want to find a sentence in an ebook. If the sentence in ten words long and you use all ten, you will only find that sentence, if you search for a single word you are bound to find many sentences that use that one word. Plus extremely high cycling, meaning the PCR cycle is repeated 30, 35, in some cases 40 times which makes it very likely random pieces of RNA will get amplified.
I teach biology and my students routinely do PCR tests in the lab. They would never do a single marker PCR with 40 cycles, that is absolute non sense, but is what is being heralded as the gold standard of covid detection.
It's like something out of a bad B class sci-fi movie.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: tanstaafl
Let's leave this now before it gets all silly again when you get upset.

Rotflmao!

Does it hurt much?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: network dude
and so folks here understand, nonspecific works with covid tests as a daily job. Where I'd be careful of taking brain surgery advice from a proctologist, getting testing info from a guy who uses the tests in his daily job likely has some decent info. Plus he hasn't been known to peddle the bad kind of BS. In this conversation, he has clout. IMHO

NS is definitely a bright fellow...he knows a thing or two about peddling and giving China Virus tests.

Keep in mind...assuming the guy who is giving you a PCR test is an expert in virology...is like calling the guy handing you a Happy Meal through your car window a Cordon Bleu Chef.

That's a terrible analogy.

Apples and dump trucks.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Several weeks ago I had the common cold. It unfortunately prevented me from going on a trip I had planned. I took 3 rapid COVID tests over a 3 day period. All 3 were negative.

The symptoms I had compared to the symptoms two family friends, who recently tested positive for COVID, were starkly different. Mainly, they suffered from complete loss of smell and taste without having any congestion. They also had very high fevers and shortness of breath. One of them had their blood oxygen level drop below 92%. I've definitely lost my sense of taste with a cold several times, but it was always the result of the congestion. Loss of smell and taste from COVID seems to be a result of damage to endothelial cells rather than that.

a reply to: Bugman82

Well it seems those tests aren't good enough they want the RMT & RAT types of test further confirmed by the PCR tests.
Glad you were negative, maybe those tests are better and more accurate,

Testing Procedures

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
I can even go further they randomly chose the nose sticks to have an substance that took away my smell and after my specimen was taken to the lab not even examined they labeled me with covid19..?

I had a mild flu like three weeks ago coughing like a seal with asthma, got tested and what do you know ,NOTHING no covid and flu in mid summer.

I don't see the difference anymore between a UAP and covid with all his variable friends?

a reply to: nonspecific

osted on Aug, 18 2021 @ 10:07
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This is a common misconception that has been spread by certain members here even though it's been clearly shown to them to be false.

The "new" tests are still PCR they are just quad assay. In very simple terms they are exactly the same tests as before but they can test for more than one virus at the same time using the same swab sample.

This means that by having a single swab sample taken they can send off for a test for covid 19 influenza a and influenza b with the option of a fourth virus all at the same time.

This has got nothing to do with the original tests being substandard or at fault as it's the same process it's just better to be able to test for more viruses at once to establish what is causing the symptoms.

PCR is the way most countries test as far as I am aware, the equipment and manufacturing may differ but it's all the same process at the end of the day.

The whole PCR is bad thing is just fear mongering and antivax propaganda based on misinformation or lack of understanding.

nonspecific,

Thank you for your response.

I must note that the REASON the CDC requested a NEW PCR test be made available by December, 2021 is because the CURRENT tests DO NOT distinguish between the covid and the flu.

Supposedly, the NEW test will. Great. Nice. But it hasn't been in use yet. So.

What about ALL the millions of previous tests that did NOT distinguish between the covid and the flu?

Will we come to learn that the flu [that mysteriously disappeared during 2020] was being called the covid.

We do not know, do we. We cannot know.... because tests were NOT able to distinguish between covid or the flu.

Meanwhile.... the whole planet was SHUT DOWN because of PRC tests that could not and STILL CANNOT distinguish between the covid and the flu.

And THAT is a problem.....

You have misunderstood.

The current PCR test will tell you of you do or do not have covid 19 but it won't let you know if you have influenza instead or as well as.

It will not come back positive for covid 19 if you do not have covid 19 but do have influenza.

This is where the confusion is coming from.




a reply to: CupcakeKarma

a reply to: nonspecific

You have misunderstood.

The current PCR test will tell you of you do or do not have covid 19 but it won't let you know if you have influenza instead or as well as.

It will not come back positive for covid 19 if you do not have covid 19 but do have influenza.

This is where the confusion is coming from.

nonspecific,

There is a claim that the PCR tests are FAULTY tests.... they provide false positives... correct ?

And yes, I understand the PCR tests cannot distinguish whether the WORLD was shut down because of the flu or the covid.

And THAT is a problem.

The false positive rate of a PCR test is actually quite low.

It's one of the reasons PCR is used in so many areas aside from covid 19. It's used for some types of cancer and STDs amongst other things.

The hype about false positives is mainly misinformation spread by various people for various reasons.





a reply to: CupcakeKarma

a reply to: nonspecific

The false positive rate of a PCR test is actually quite low.

nonspecific,

May I ask.... is there a peer-reviewed study to validate the PCR tests FAILURES are "quite low" ?

There's plenty of information about the use of PRC online.

It's a process so it depends on the lab following procedure based on the manufacturer.

I'm sure you could find the relavant information yourself but I can't really be bothered to get into a tit for tat with you as you'll most likely ignore anything I link anyways.





a reply to: CupcakeKarma

a reply to: nonspecific

There's plenty of information about the use of PRC online.

It's a process so it depends on the lab following procedure based on the manufacturer.

I'm sure you could find the relavant information yourself but I can't really be bothered to get into a tit for tat with you as you'll most likely ignore anything I link anyways.

nonspecific,

… from your response, it appears that there are NO peer-reviewed tests to validate the claim that the PCR tests ONLY give false positive results at a "LOW COUNT".

So, I mention this again.... have we shut down our entire Earth because of FAULTY TESTS ?

And was the covid virus another name for the flu ?

For decades, massive amounts of people have died yearly from the flu.

Then, during 2020,,the flu MAGICALLY disappeared and was replaced by COVID. So we were told.

But the covid death count was nearly identical to all the other years of flu deaths.

And IF the PCR test could not and still can't determine whether one has had the flu or the covid....

it is more than probable that the covid is another name for the flu....

And THAT is a problem.

No.

The problem is that you have a predetermined idea that is incorrect and will do anything to keep that fantasy alive.

My response has no bearing on the accuracy or the PCR tests and neither does yours.

If you think that a PCR test cannot differentiate between covid 19 and influenza then that's up to you but it's simply not true.

As I said before I really don't want to get into an argument about this as it will change nothing.





a reply to: CupcakeKarma

Most definitely those with influenza are testing positive for the China virus

Not that it matters

The China virus is most certainly one of the least harmful viruses in existence

That’s a fact. It’s not debated.

99 point what now?