FDA Knew and Hid Fact There'd Be Many COVID Cases in Fully "Vaccinated"

a reply to: Mandroid7

Flu disappeared because hospitals get more cash for Covid, if you were a business you would do the same. The problem is that all the statistics need looking at.

originally posted by: macaronicaesar
It’s not worth the effort for its 50% success rate. I’d rather roll the dice on not catching it.

Wasn't much of an effort for either. I was hit or miss on a flu vaccine. I got the COVID vaccine more along the lines I like to travel and didn't want that to be a big issue, then not wearing masks if you are vaccinated isn't too bad either. I don't fear either the virus or the vaccine, but I am 61 and healthy, and I have had some friends have a hard time with the virus, like 3 weeks in a hospital hard time, and that isn't something I want.The vaccine wasn't even a sore arm for me, so kind of hard to regret something that did nothing to me...lol

originally posted by: anonentity

Flu disappeared because hospitals get more cash for Covid, if you were a business you would do the same. The problem is that all the statistics need looking at.

I read an interesting study that suggests viruses will compete for a host, and there are some subtle aspects to our immune systems where once activated for one virus makes it extremely hard for another to gain a foothold too, so you would not have a case where a person has both flu and COVID at the same time. What this means is in the future you may have a flu season or a COVID season but not both at the same time.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: anonentity

Flu disappeared because hospitals get more cash for Covid, if you were a business you would do the same. The problem is that all the statistics need looking at.

I read an interesting study that suggests viruses will compete for a host, and there are some subtle aspects to our immune systems where once activated for one virus makes it extremely hard for another to gain a foothold too, so you would not have a case where a person has both flu and COVID at the same time. What this means is in the future you may have a flu season or a COVID season but not both at the same time.

what your stating is very true

but if i may interject we wont know what "season" it is or what is "winning" the natures "what will we infect you with" contest unless we are TESTING for it

ill use myself as an example..

three weeks ago i got what to my experience is just the good old crappy flu.

the sinus headache, nose producing more snot than you think is possible, felling tired, trouble sleeping due to coughing .
been though this many times before and was almost as bad when i had influenza a and b.

but since i was having trouble one morning breathing and my wife said my color was starting to scare her..
i went to the doctor to see what i could do to ease the symptoms and recover..
I did not go in to get antibiotics due to i suspected a virus.

well went in, they did an examination.. said my lungs were good (no pneumonia) and by all symptoms had just a virus and doesnt look like covid.
BTW DID NOT HAVE A FEVER
then next sentence, we going to test you "just to be sure"
i was tired so my reactions were "ok" but my mind said "if you dont think i do then why am i doing this"?
now before someone goes "what you dont want to be sure " or "what you want to kill grandma"
in my state of IL ANYONE who is even JUST TESTED is classified as "presumed new case"..
then added to list of NEW CASES no matter if you come back negative (keep this in mind when reading)

but i took the test and they stated "well you have to quarantine until the tests come back"
WHAT.. you dont think i have it, the symptoms match ALOT of other things and now your putting on record i must do this?
WTF (didnt say that)
they give me a prescription to ease my symptoms and away i go.

well 24 hours later guess what.. NO COVID..
just a virus.
well then (since i am now thanks to some medicine feeling a tad better) i ask what do i have?
they state "we dont know"
know why.... DIDNT TEST FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

They didnt give the throat swab test that could help see what it was FOR REPORTING AND FACT PURPOSES.
just covid and on my way.

so think about this

they DONT TEST for other causes, they list ANY TEST (in IL and i suspect other states as well ) as NEW CASE.

so how in hell can they ever claim that "the flu" is gone, low or otherwise but then claim COVID is on the rise?

or that it is the biggest issue?

hell we could have a hell of a flu season but since you dont test how would you know?

scrounger

a reply to: GhostMed

your posting are correct but missing a VERY BIG context and a tad of info

one.. those tested are VERY SMALL number for what is usually tested for any APPROVED vaccines

two.. those tested in the information were ONLY one dose.. i have yet to find any that were TWO DOSES.. much less if it the numbers were same in one dose.

three.. all APPROVED vaccines go though (from the CDC own website) FOUR phases of testing.
let me say this again .... FOUR PHASES of testing.

this at most has been maybe one?

lastly and the biggest one

the info sheets on ALL COVID VACCINES state

NOT FDA APPROVED... APPROVED FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY...

so all those claims of safe and effective are CLAIMS...
they OPENLY (and forced to legally btw) CANNOT CLAIM ITS APPROVED OR SAFE..
just give numbers and claim by the LIMITED (very limited) numbers USING ONLY ONE SHOT that XX were harmed, XY were not so those LOW NUMBERS OF TEST SUBJECTS it is ZZ percent safe.

no one, and i mean NO ONE be here or fauci can claim this is safe or effective..
if it were then PUT YOUR LEGAL NECK OUT and approve it..

even the FDA isnt gonna go that far and they have legal protection out the ying yang.

so what you showed is by THIER SMALL SAMPLE that they can claim with ONLY THAT SHORT TERM AND LOW SAMPLE DATA that it APPEARS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.

but then torpedoed by the FACT its NOT FDA APPROVED.

along with adding claims that clearly are not factual
that it will slow the spread of covid, limit you catching it or transmitting it.
all of that IS A LIE

look AGAIN this ISNT POLIO OR SMALL POX VIRUS.

its a VIRUS that has existed for thousands of years. it can , does and will MUTATE and even do it year from year
it will continue to exist and YOU CANNOT STOP THE SPREAD or eliminate it.

it (sadly) WILL KILL PEOPLE and you cannot stop that.

it is something JUST LIKE influenza, pneumonia, rsv, and a whole host of other viruses, bacteria, fungi, ect

to be treated, to be endured and if possible to take measures to protect in LIMITED situations.
then GO ON WITH LIFE.

we didnt shut down the world when HIV/AIDS came out and that has a lethality (at the time) of almost 100 percent
this has (unless medically compromised or bad luck) a lethality rate of what .2 to .3 percent?

as spock would say

highly illogcial

scrounger

a reply to: IAMTAT

Wait, didn’t trump push for this to go through?!? Lol

originally posted by: scrounger
so think about this

they DONT TEST for other causes, they list ANY TEST (in IL and i suspect other states as well ) as NEW CASE.

so how in hell can they ever claim that "the flu" is gone, low or otherwise but then claim COVID is on the rise?

or that it is the biggest issue?

hell we could have a hell of a flu season but since you dont test how would you know?

scrounger

I agree with you 100% that by the CDC every season may be COVID season because that is all they test for across everywhere. It really seems at some point it really doesn't matter which one you get other than maybe a correct booster to the high risk as we do anyways with the flu.

They do test for the flu, but use only 100 hospitals as their sampling... Based on those that go to these hospitals and also die that are connected to the flu then they use that as their 60 million got it and 60,000 died modeling you might see in a "flu season" that is typically only 5 months or so.

If we stay in this perpetual pandemic, then yes that is bad, but COVID should end up just being another flu event.

Its funny, something went around at my work in fall 2019 and I was out like 5 days and had a dry cough for 2 months along with others having the same, then nothing until last month where I felt tired, achy joints and a dry cough for about 2 weeks, so who the hell knows...lol It seems delta doesn't actually give you a temperature and doesn't take your sense of smell away, but gives you achy joints and a dry cough.

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
The “vaccines” have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt just how brainwashed, afraid, illogical and just plain stupid the vast majority of people are.

Why the hell would anyone willingly take this poison, with a whole slew of very bad possible side effects is beyond me. Especially for a disease that has almost no chance of killing you.

The vaxxed people know deep down that it was a foolish decision, so they must now bring everyone who doesn’t make decisions based off pure emotion down with them.

I’ve always been interested in the stories of people who just leave everything and go live in the woods away from any type of society. I understand the mindset of why they would do that now more than ever.

That's pretty insane for you to attack and insult the intellect of billions of people around the world, just because you are anti-vax for some reason.



This isn't about politics, isn't about opinions or beliefs - its simple science. The covid vaccines work - and they work exceptionally well.

Since the vaccines have come out, only about 1,500 people who were fully vaccinated have died from covid.
Your chances of getting a symptomatic case of infection from covid is about 5 times higher if you are unvaccinated.
Your chances of having to be hospitalized, or god forbid DYING from covid are almost NIL if you are vaccinated, even with the delta variant.

This post is a non-event. The OP makes no sense. The premise is that the vaccines don't work, and the government tried to hide this.

First of all, the vaccines do work, and they work exceptionally well. Against the non-delta variant, they are about 90%+ effective at preventing symptomatic cases.

WITH the delta variant, and every other current variant, they are still doing a great job at keeping people out of hospitals, and alive. Over 95% of all people hospitalized with covid are unvaccinated.


Now, even with those facts in mind - the OP is flawed. The OP is trying to use data from the studies to say that people who get the vaccine were still getting covid.....but thats NOT what the data says.
If you pay close attention, those numbers are NOT FROM FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE. Those numbers are from people who caught covid, both in the placebo and in the vax group - BEFORE THEY WERE FULLY VACCINATED.

You aren't fully vaccinated until 14 days after your SECOND shot. It is only THEN that the vaccines are functioning at 100%.

a reply to: supermarket2012

Those numbers are from people who caught covid, both in the placebo and in the vax group - BEFORE THEY WERE FULLY VACCINATED.

Not even that, actually.

suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19

a reply to: scrounger

Perhaps you missed the point a bit scrounged.

A careful analysis of the data does in fact hint that the Pfizer vaccine falls short of their claims.

First, the data is complete through the second dose as the term “unblinding” on page 12 means after the second dose when Pfizer offer the vaccine to the placebo group.

Second, total deaths were 14 for the placebo group with 2 related Covid-19 deaths vs 15 deaths in the vaccinated group with 1 death being COVID-19 related. How does this data jive with a CDC mortality rate of about 1.7% for those infected with COVID-19? Shouldn’t we see more like 17 deaths in the placebo group then? Also, I count at least 10 cardiovascular deaths in the vaccines group vs 2 in the placebo group. Does this hint at the cardiovascular blood clots related to the vaccine that we have been hearing about?

Lastly, on page 11, if you look at serious adverse reactions you find 262 serious adverse reactions among the vaccines group vs 150 with the placebo group. Does this not hint that either COVID-19 is not that serious of an illness or that the Pfizer vaccine is more apt to land you in the hospital?

In sum, I can’t see how Pfizer or the CDC can now claim that the primary purpose of this vaccine is proven to reduce mortality or reduce severe reactions to Covid-19. This suggest to me that either Pfizer’s placebo group is way divergent from what the CDC claims is representative of COVID-19 or the CDC data is not accurate in regards to mortality and severe adverse reactions. Perhaps the data from either Moderna’s or J&J 6 month trial results will shed more light of this anomaly.

www.medrxiv.org...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: themessengernevermatters

The post I was replying to used USA Today as a source.



She was proven to be a liar. It's well known already.

originally posted by: supermarket2012

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
The “vaccines” have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt just how brainwashed, afraid, illogical and just plain stupid the vast majority of people are.

Why the hell would anyone willingly take this poison, with a whole slew of very bad possible side effects is beyond me. Especially for a disease that has almost no chance of killing you.

The vaxxed people know deep down that it was a foolish decision, so they must now bring everyone who doesn’t make decisions based off pure emotion down with them.

I’ve always been interested in the stories of people who just leave everything and go live in the woods away from any type of society. I understand the mindset of why they would do that now more than ever.

That's pretty insane for you to attack and insult the intellect of billions of people around the world, just because you are anti-vax for some reason.

Well thank you for using the tired old emotional "anti vaxx" knee jerk comment because someone even QUESTIONS the covid NOT APPROVED BY THE FDA vaccine(s).. now that you got that rant off your chest do you feel better ? now care to debate or just use the declined "anti vaxx" card



This isn't about politics, isn't about opinions or beliefs - its simple science. The covid vaccines work - and they work exceptionally well.


AGAIN on every vaccine paperwork clearly states NOT FDA APPROVED but FDA EMERGENCY USE APPROVAL... so if it isnt approved all the "studies", "experts OPINONS" and statistics are just estimates (at best)... NOT FACT... we have a approval/certification process for a reason.

Since the vaccines have come out, only about 1,500 people who were fully vaccinated have died from covid.

first the deaths are NOT proven covid caused deaths. they had (at best) covid in their systems but without ALL THE MEDICAL FACTS and AUTOPSY you cannot say they died from covid.. hell you cant even say that of the past 600,000 claimed covid deaths. in fact the CDC ON ITS OWN WEBSITE states that 6 percent of COVID LISTED DEATHS were caused by covid (or major factor). if your up on your math that puts it roughly 35,000 deaths for the last YEAR AND A HALF caused by covid.. given that regular flu deaths run 60 to 80 plus THOUSAND A YEAR before covid... that puts the covid caused death BY CDC CLAIMS at maybe half or less than common flu deaths... oh and before you play the "child death" card that number is 450 and they dont even claim to have looked at all the possible medical issues they may or may not have had...even that tragic number is less than many other ways children die

Your chances of getting a symptomatic case of infection from covid is about 5 times higher if you are unvaccinated.

even if we take that at face value the SURVIVAL RATE of covid infections is STILL 99.7 or greater.. with OVER 80 percent not even knowing they had it (due to limited or no symptoms) , NO MEDICAL INTERVENTION OR TESTING, and RECOVERED. Those most in danger are due to KNOWN medical issue(s) that almost any serious pathogen or bad luck could kill them.. along with the old unpreventable bad luck (or just their time if your religious).

Your chances of having to be hospitalized, or god forbid DYING from covid are almost NIL if you are vaccinated, even with the delta variant.

read the stats i quoted above.. they are low even IF YOUR NOT VACCINATED. This is also making a BIG ASSUMPTION that the virus will not mutate and the NON APPROVED vaccine becomes (like the flu vaccine) low to inneffective . with children (btw not approved for vaccine) having the LOWEST chance of infection, passing it on, being seriously ill and dying of any age group... to the point that it is a statstic improbiblity (not impossible and not a random one may die, mostly due to other medical issues).

AGAIN i point out that its a PUBLISHED FACT ... NO VACCINE IS APPROVED EFFECTIVE OR SAFE.. it is approved ONLY EMERGENCY USE with the openly published statement "presumes do more good than harm"

also NO VACCINE will prevent you from catching, passing or eliminate covid or any virus from the corona family, influenza family , rsv, pneumonia, or even common cold...

it isnt same as polio or small pox

all we have is just ANOTHER VIRUS that mother nature throws at us..
its dangerous to MEDICALLY COMPROMISED people, someone young without an immune system and to random tragic bad luck on some.

to be treated, protective measures IN LIMITED SCOPE, locations and for limited people to be taken, you cant stop some people from dying from it, but YOU GO ON WITH LIFE.

not shut down everything on "at least were trying/doing something"...

btw notice when we had the first years of the outbreak of HIV/AIDS that was at the time almost 100 PERCENT FATAL these same measures were suggested.. to which soundly and loudly decried as wrong..
we took limited measures and went on with life

still no cure and we are even removing laws if someone KNOWNINGLY AND DELIBERATELY goes out and infects someone..

but a virus with over 99.7 or greater survival rate we doing this?

with people like you telling ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS IT is not dealing in facts?

wtf

scrounger

a reply to: GhostMed

yes i read what you stated and repeating it will not change the following

1. sample size is quite small , most is ONE SHOT ONLY.

2. has NOT gone though all 4 phases that REGULAR APPROVED vaccines have

3. the sample size is QUITE SMALL and by far much less than any other vaccine study...

and the biggest issue in the room , ON THE PAPERWORK YOU QUOTE and you KEEP IGNORING

IS NOT FDA MEDICALLY APPROVED.. that includes both SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS.

it is ONLY APPROVED FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY...
it says this ON ALL THE DIFFERENT COVID VACCINES with the added comment that use is "presumed to do more good than harm"

you can quote the LIMITED IN SIZE OF PEOPLE , DOSAGES (you do know outside of one its a two dosage application) , AND TIME till you blue in the face..

doesnt change NOT FDA MEDICALLY APPROVED.

btw you do know while vaccine protections are fairly big (for companies not people) to make emergency approval needed MORE LEGAL PROTECTION right?

wonder why

scrounger

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: supermarket2012

Those numbers are from people who caught covid, both in the placebo and in the vax group - BEFORE THEY WERE FULLY VACCINATED.

Not even that, actually.

suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19

rare as this is i applaud phage for calling him out with this small but very very important fact..

that alone calls into question the CLAIMS they are making on safety and effectiveness.

scrounger

a reply to: supermarket2012

That's pretty insane for you to attack and insult the intellect of billions of people around the world, just because you are anti-vax for some reason.

I'm not anti all vaccines. This however is not really a vaccine. You can still catch it, you can still spread it, you still have to wear masks and social distance and all that other crap that does'nt work so what's the point? You do realize that they had a vaccine developed for the swine flu back in 2009? They pulled it after 40 people died during the clinical trials. Thousands have died so far from this and they are still pushing it, even so much as offering free college and weed to bribe people to take it. Gee, I wonder why that is?

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence that the cases were dropping, states were opening up, people were finally starting to calm down. Of course this was all when NOBODY was vaccinated. And then boom, they roll out these vaccines and all of a sudden we have covid everywhere again with new variants, mask mandates, lockdowns and all that nonsense again.

This isn't about politics, isn't about opinions or beliefs - its simple science. The covid vaccines work - and they work exceptionally well.

My oh my, how quickly we forget.

It was just a few months ago that the entire MSM and Emperor Fauci said that herd immunity would be achieved by the vaccines. 60 percent was all that was needed to get there and we could all go "back to normal". Britain and Israel were praised for having 80 percent of their entire populations and 60 percent of their adult populations double poisoned. Now those two countries are having COVID explosions, especially among the VACCINATED. But you people on the left seem to just conveniently forget about that blatant lie and have jumped on the "unvaccinated are bad" bandwagon. And when called out about it, you either ignore it or make some vague reference to science as you did above.

Since the vaccines have come out, only about 1,500 people who were fully vaccinated have died from covid.

Prove it.

Your chances of having to be hospitalized, or god forbid DYING from covid are almost NIL if you are vaccinated,

You mean just like the vast majority (99.7%) of people who caught the damn virus and got better from it with no vaccine? Catching it and getting over it is far better than the poison jab, hundreds of medical professionals are of the same opinion.

And yet, the CEO of Pfizer himself refuses to take the jab. Refuses to mandate it for his employees. Congress and the WH won't mandate vaccines for any of their members. But average Joe better take it or risk losing his job, not being able to travel, etc. Hell even Robert Malone who helped develop the mRNA technology has spoken out about what a terrible idea this is only to get banned from the internet along with any other doctor who goes against the narrative. Silencing those people (while promoting the diatribe spewed by a handful of government approved doctors) tells me all I need to know and if you really believe the nonsense you're saying then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

They “hid” this information by posting it on their publicly available website and leaving it there for months.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: IAMTAT

According to the Pfizer clinical trial, upon which the FDA authorized the vaccine for emergency public use...a very large percentage of test subjects became China Virus POSITIVE AFTER receiving the "vaccine" (NOT 50% more effective than placebo)...and this, alone, should've been enough to stop the clinical trial...and prevent any Emergency Use Authorization for the Pfizer China Virus "vaccine".

Why? How soon after being vaccinated? Within 7 days it said? Is a vaccine supposed to provide protection instantly? I did not know that.

Both Pfizer and the FDA KNEW the "vaccine" was NOT effective enough for Emergency Use Authorization.

You have not demonstrated this to be true.

I know I promised not to, but with the above statements, how could I not!?
Phage...buddy...both of your statements are outright lies. First, it does not matter what anyone's opinion on the FDA's approval process is...least of all yours.
They have a process they follow. They followed it and came up far short of the threshold numbers needed to allow emergency use. Whether or not the vaccine gives "instant protection" or not doesn't matter here. THEY believe it does or they wouldn't have done the test in the first place lol.
You next claim that the OP did not demonstrate that the FDA and big Pharma knew the vaccine was not effective. What!? The OP doesn't HAVE to as the published article actually proves it through numbers. Most likely racist numbers, but numbers nonetheless.
If the FDA says they need to reach a threshold to allow emergency use of vaccines, and that threshold wasn't even close to being reached, the vaccine, BY THE FDA'S VERY DEFINITION, is NOT effective.

I think you need to retake whatever critical thinking courses you took in college because you are barely thinking at all imo.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

The problem with your post is that the virus is not working as they explained it did....forget the intentions....which are also out of whack with these findings.

The pfizer vaccine was touted to provide enhanced protection from the virus. It was touted as resistant to the strains that have popped up. The success rate was easily touted in the high 60 percentile---maybe all the way to 80. It will prevent transmissions they said.

And wile a more efficient variant can undo all those claims it appears those claim were never true to begin with. At some point the percentage of people in this country who say they value honesty and integrity will wake up and stop making excuses for how dishonest our politicians and media are.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Your response almost makes me wish we could just drop accounts for density. Blaming the concerns on conservatives like the left wasn't trashing ANY vaccine Trump pushed then having them tout its effectiveness and safety and blah blah blah---chuckles that wasn't the right. Its the right that sat on their duffs until the bodies piled up high enough that they felt forced to say "Go get vaccinated"

The drug makers said they had the vaccine to beat the COVID. The politicians did as well.