Pfizer, Moderna seen reaping billions from COVID-19 vaccine booster market

I was saying it for years before the virus times and i will say it again now: I think the executives of pharma corporations should be shot. They are souless vampires who profit directly from the suffering of others and i strongly suspect they intentionally hold back more effective treatments, even cures, for diseases and conditions in the name of the bottom line.

To hell with them all. Though i doubt even they would take them.

I challenge anyone to find one ethical man or woman in a leadership position at one of these corporations. There is no such person.

a reply to: canucks555

OP didn't really give disinformation. They were giving an opinion based on what the article was saying, that two major pharma company's were already sold out into 2022, suggesting a booster shot might be soon to come.
And from the way things are looking, especially here in Canada, a 'booster' may be needed.

As for your, well meaning, concern about those who are unvaccinated, it goes against my previous posts position in this thread... which you kind of ignored.
I'm going to be clear, I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm just hesitant of this particular, array, of vaccines.

the naked greed at play among the lords of the pandemic makes me rather angry.

originally posted by: slatesteam
Nah. They’re doing this out of the beneficence of Big Pharma and modern medicine. And Science! And….

Never mind.

Unvaxxed vermin don’t get to speak anymore, got it…

Well then take the Chinese one, that must be better since their isn't profit involved.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: slatesteam
Nah. They’re doing this out of the beneficence of Big Pharma and modern medicine. And Science! And….

Never mind.

Unvaxxed vermin don’t get to speak anymore, got it…

Well then take the Chinese one, that must be better since their isn't profit involved.

Only a desire for totalitarian domination... Power the other Profit.

originally posted by: HawkEyi

Because of the vaccines The virus is finding ways around it and i am not surprised that more vaxed are in the hospital in Israel.

Well they are largely vaccinated... But from more localized sources it seems most in the US that go to the hospital and are getting infected like near me in OR are still the unvacced by a huge margin. I think I heard it's around .003% vacced compared to like .3% unvacced.

So Israel is looking at a booster for everyone over 50, and even if the vaccine dropped off to 50% effective that is still higher than the 0% effective the unvacced have...lol

originally posted by: Ohanka
They are souless vampires who profit directly from the suffering of others and i strongly suspect they intentionally hold back more effective treatments, even cures, for diseases and conditions in the name of the bottom line.

Well we do know they lead the way throughout the world in new cures etc mainly because they can invest the 100 of millions or billions and years of time to make something. Then they charge a ton of money for 7 years until the patent runs out as the rest of the world then copies what they invented. Look at Viagra that was like 30 bucks a pill for a long time, now its 20 cents from India, so who is the soulless profit bloodsuckers in that situation? We could do this same scenario 1000 times again...

Let me say that again, the rest of the world copies what they invented... So you kill the soulless bloodsuckers then who does the inventing at the level they can and do?

I really doubt they are holding back anything since they have a small window for their big profit.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You have the MSM claiming that the 98% in the hosptials are un vaccinated yet they had never given out a full stats. What are their health stats? what age? what health conditions? nothing that are just pointing out that scary number.

MSM has done nothing but fear mongering this crisis.

originally posted by: canucks555

Most pro-vax people aren't defending big pharma. They simply don't want a possible Chinese Bio Weapon invading their system. Or their children's systems.
If you do the math you will see that it's better to be vaxxed than have this thing in you.

Not politics, not "shilling for the system", just trying to be safe from whatever the hell this thing is.

Big pharma in the business sense is really a mindless process for profit. Its like they are floating down a river like any other company that follows the current of profit. If the Goverment changes the current then they go that way. If the Goverment made workers in the US cheaper than China then jobs would come back even if the overall price increased some, as example.

Now within those companies are extremely smart and highly motivated people doing what they do best. They are not evil scientists, but people truly dedicated to their career fields. It's like the old Intel commercial where this little guy from India is walking through the lunch area with a rockstar swagger and people are looking at him like he was a rockstar.

Then the line...We have our own Rockstars... comes up.

Well in a population of 7+ billion I often wonder how many Einsteins or Newtons are working for companies like Intel or Pfizer? I bet there are 100s of them out there around the world and we really do not think about it, but with our population size 100s is most likely accurate. We just take everything for granted though...

originally posted by: HawkEyi

MSM has done nothing but fear mongering this crisis.

Sure I agree MSM, CNN and FOX suck, I was saying when you see data at the lower levels being reported it shows that people who are unvacced are the much higher percentage getting it and going to the hospital.

Everyone on both sides throw scary numbers around like weapons. In this case the reality is the vaccines do work and we can then debate if with Delta it is 50% or 72% effective, but they do work... But as I said even 50% with greatly reduced symptoms is better than zero as the unvac have.

Zero is still not bad for healthy people under 40, so personally don't see a need for the vaccine there, and I believe we should now let herd immunity do its thing since older and unhealthy people are vacced.

a reply to: strongfp

So will these booster shots be a single dose or will people need to continuously take double mRNA vaccines?
If I take my first shot now, wait the 2-3 months for another, will I need to take another in another 3 months?

Maybe. No one knows how the mutations will go, all doctors and scientists don't know. They admit it freely. But Vaccines are helping. It's the right direction (imo)

*You're right OP did not supply fake news, just opinion. My quote was directed at the forum threads as a whole.
Cheers.

a reply to: Xtrozero

People that smart are usually taken advantage of ... what do you think university institutions were all about back in the day? They were brain drain establishments, fund the intellectuals, get them to spill their beans onto paper and profit somehow.

I get what you are saying in this thread... that big pharma aren't some big collaboration of evil Nazi's trying to take over the world, and that they are basically profit driven.
But there's always an agenda when it comes to human relationships, and this whole current situation just doesn't add up, not even in a 'natural' anthropological way. The timing of these vaccines is just too convenient especially when my own Prime Minister said almost right at the "flatten the curve" phase, that we won't go back to normal until vaccines are out.

originally posted by: strongfp
But there's always an agenda when it comes to human relationships, and this whole current situation just doesn't add up, not even in a 'natural' anthropological way. The timing of these vaccines is just too convenient especially when my own Prime Minister said almost right at the "flatten the curve" phase, that we won't go back to normal until vaccines are out.

We got a few things in play here.

1. China, they seem to be at the center of all this crap when it comes about.
2. Big Goverment
3. State level Goverment, for America
4. Big Pharma

I really do not think they are all working together and each can be successful or big F ups all on their own, well except for China as they are in the F'ed up realm all the time.

As to the vaccines, mRNA has been around for 3 decades and they been working on heavy hitters such as Ebola, Rabies, cancer as their focus. The COVID vaccine was actually just a side project with that 30 years of experience in place. I read since the process to make mRNA is well established it took them only 2 days to make it as the process is the same no matter what virus you are focused on. So this all is a whole new level 2021 sh!t, and so for us to say well it takes 5 years to make such and such is just not the case anymore.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I read since the process to make mRNA is well established it took them only 2 days to make it as the process is the same no matter what virus you are focused on. So this all is a whole new level 2021 sh!t, and so for us to say well it takes 5 years to make such and such is just not the case anymore.

Can you back this up with some information?

I know mRNA vaccines have been around for a while now. It's just never been unleashed on a coronavirus before.
I'd honestly think if there was a 'cold' vaccine around cold and flu season, it would be quite popular.
So many questions ...

originally posted by: strongfp

People that smart are usually taken advantage of ...

BTW I don't think this is some fundamental truth...

originally posted by: strongfp

I know mRNA vaccines have been around for a while now. It's just never been unleashed on a coronavirus before.
I'd honestly think if there was a 'cold' vaccine around cold and flu season, it would be quite popular.
So many questions ...

The big problem is an RNA virus is very dirty and produces variants like crazy. That is why flu shots are hit or miss as they put in like 3 different varrents hoping to hit one and other RNA vaccines are "leaky". Something like smallpox is DNA based and in the last 30,000 years there has been only 2 varents.

What helps mRNA is it produces a protein the body triggers on that all variants will have, so in that case the Delta is still xx% good compared to the flu shot that is hit or miss as it is the virus and not the protein.

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a reply to: Xtrozero

Edison ... Tesla, Cambridge... Newton, Tesla founders... Musk. Those with mind blowing ideas are usually taken advantage of by other people for profit.
It's just how it works in any sort of 'social market'.

I guess it works out in the end tho doesn't it?

originally posted by: strongfp

Edison ... Tesla, Cambridge... Newton, Tesla founders... Musk. Those with mind blowing ideas are usually taken advantage of by other people for profit.
It's just how it works in any sort of 'social market'.

I guess it works out in the end tho doesn't it?

I'm not sure if it is seen as "taking advantage of" as you have people willing to pay big bucks to finance these people, and in many situations money isn't a driver for the super genus, but unlimited access to the best of whatever is. I'm sure today some super genus working for Intel isn't locked away in the basement.. Most likely driving one of his 6 Ferraris the little nerd...lol

We see too many movies with your scenario.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I gave those examples for a reason... Edison didn't pay Tesla, beyond his rented labor, Cambridge kept Newton to create gold from alchemy, which is impossible, and Tesla didn't pay Musk until he could revenue the company 650+ billion in a certain amount of time.

They were slaves!

In today's world, such ideas of 'liberty' span to all people who sort of adhere to the American constitution. But in reality it's not like that at all.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Would you say that mRNA is more effective in fighting a virus like a Coronavirus compared to a populations herd immunity? What will whittle down the virus to almost nothing more efficiently?

I think we are almost embarking on a moral and ethical question here now.