When did the Taliban Make a Comeback???

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: xuenchen
Since last Nov 3rd 💡

Except the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan was Trump's , Biden is continuing what Trump started.

It's not the "decision", it's the methods and the political "implications" 😃

a reply to: ElGoobero

Asscrackistan was the biggest boondoggle in US history! We should have nuked that SH back into the Ice Age on day #1. And, I've said this from Day #1 too! I knew exactly what would happen over there. And, our 3 letter agencies ensured it happed exactly how I thought it would. Same thing with Iraq.

The big difference between the two was Asscrackistan was about narcotics and black money. Iraq was about WMD's, but not Iraqi WMD's from the official narrative, but rather recovering, securing and destroying US WMD's which had been given to Iraq decades earlier. Oh, and oil too.

Vietnam lasted for what, 3-4 years? We've wasted trillions on Iraq and Asscrackistan, and we've been there for nearly 2 decades! The only worthy effort in Iraq was Desert Storm. After that we should have gone home and stayed there.

Those sand-monkeys have been at war for 2,000 years, and they'll be at war for 2,000 more years, and there's not a damn thing the US or anyone else can do about it!

Wow we come a long way, I remember when bringing democracy and freedoms to the middle eastern oppressed countries was soo patriotic and the right thing to do.

Very soon America is the one that will need help from outsiders to bring democracy and freedoms back again.

The taliban most be laughing and dancing of how tyranny and fascism is slowly taking hold of America.

a reply to: ElGoobero

now they will be stronger than ever.

biden pulling out is just obama's way of rearming them. but now instead of toyota's with dushka's mounted in the back.
they'll have humvee's with Ma Deuce's, and other equipment that was given to the afghan govt.

a reply to: EvanB Quite right, they had minor skirmishes and a few targeted terrorist attacks but as soon as the US started withdrawing troops they came out the woodwork again.
Pakistan have been consistently accused of backing the Taliban which they of course deny.

There is always money in war for the select few so how long before the US and others are back in Afghanistan?

originally posted by: ElGoobero
I read somewhere, nobody has ever been able to fully pacify Afghanistan. Not the Persians, not the Romans, not the Brits.

hill people that do their own thing. sort of West Virginia on steroids.

are they still funded by selling poppy / opium I wonder?

Historically, it's been a war/conquest crossroads. Looking into the war history of the area, the general Afghanistan area as a whole was always fought over. They've always lived like this, through MANY empires who thought they could make them do as they pleased.

It never works.

And it won't work until that culture goes the way of the dodo, but it's had staying power over many more powerful adversaries over the eons. And it goes back further than Islam, people like to blame that spread, but they were digging their heels in long before Islam showed up. And eventually also the Mongols showed up & lost, so...

At the most basic level, Afghanistan has always seen conflict. I'm pretty sure there's Indus Valley sites in the far north, too, so they've been living like this for literally thousands of years, repelling invaders trying to change them. if we can't understand that, then we're damned to just keep wasting money and people on it in future attempts (and there will be, always has been)

a reply to: ElGoobero

that just isn't true, the mongols and British had no problem subjugating them and rome never got past persia to even reach afghanistan, but macedon under alexander beat them, pushed all the way to india before turning back.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Vietnam lasted for what, 3-4 years?

no it lasted 19 yrs, first the french 19 45 to 1954 ,then 1955 if memory serves, with the U.S. financial and military support in the late 50's to 64 when U.S. troop numbers went from about a 1000 military advisors to 23,000 under kenndy in 64. peace accord signed in 72, fighting still sprang up and finial pull out 75.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: ElGoobero

that just isn't true, the mongols and British had no problem subjugating them and rome never got past persia to even reach afghanistan, but macedon under alexander beat them, pushed all the way to india before turning back.

Note that my reply is noting the eventual boot the Mongols were given. It was a very bloody era, even for Mongols. It still counts hard-fought for the area, and they did end up "winning" -- even if it was destroyed so damn bad that those effects linger 800 years later. The Mongols, however, didn't linger.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: xuenchen
Since last Nov 3rd 💡

Except the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan was Trump's , Biden is continuing what Trump started.

It was Obama in 08. He ran on getting out of Afghanistan, Iraq, closing Gitmo, shovel ready jobs, reworking NAFTA. He didn't do any of those things. Trump wanted to get out period and didn't care if the Taliban took over. Not our problem mentality. Biden is still declaring the Afghan military is strong, just have to fight harder...meh. Totally not true. He has the same policy as Trump just lying about it.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Biden said US are supplying the locals with weapons, food and wages, but they need motivation to fight back.
I think they need help, I believe someone else is supporting the Taliban.. the question is who.
Could US play both sides ? or do we have second player.

Hmmm, if the US is supplying the locals w/ weapons, and they don't want to fight back... Does that mean the Taliban are just getting US weapons without a fight?

a reply to: xuenchen

It's not the "decision", it's the methods and the political "implications"

Nah , it's the decision , once that was announced the Taliban knew they had won ... again.

a reply to: ByteChanger

Does that mean the Taliban are just getting US weapons without a fight?

why yes it does, from all over the country.

KABUL, Afghanistan — The Taliban have showed off containers full of weapons and military hardware seized from the Afghan military as American forces withdraw from the country and the militants march across the country.

The weaponry includes 900 guns, 30 light tactical vehicles and 20 army pickup trucks, according to NBC News' U.K. partner Sky News, which was granted access to the Sultan Khil military base in the Wardak province close to the Afghan capital, Kabul.

Taliban parade new weapons seized from Afghan military as U.S. withdraws

here's another article with more details,

The confirmed vehicle losses notably include:
270 Ford Ranger light trucks
141 Navistar International 7000 medium trucks
329 M1151 and cargo-bed configured M1152 Humvees.
These variants feature enhanced armor protection and more powerful engines.
21 Oshkosh ATV mine-resistant armor-protected vehicles
For context, in 2018 the Afghanistan’s’ armed forces reportedly operated 26,000 vehicles including 13,000 Humvees of various marks, while Mitzer writes that a total of 25,000 Humvees have been transferred to Afghanistan by 2021. During periods of intensified fighting, the Afghan government typically lost 100 Humvees a week.
One Month, 700 Trucks: Afghanistan’s U.S. Military Vehicles Fall Into Taliban Hands

They came back stronger after the us signed a peace deal with them, not too long ago.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

You mean this one.

The US and the Taliban have signed an "agreement for bringing peace" to Afghanistan after more than 18 years of conflict.

The US and Nato allies have agreed to withdraw all troops within 14 months if the militants uphold the deal.

President Trump said it had been a "long and hard journey" in Afghanistan. "It's time after all these years to bring our people back home," he said.

Talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban are due to follow.

Under the agreement, the militants also agreed not to allow al-Qaeda or any other extremist group to operate in the areas they control.
www.bbc.co.uk...

They promised to stay away from bad people so that's good.

TBH we, the US, have done enough damage and most of that based on lies.

The human & societal cost is magnitudes greater than covid by itself.

Once you do that much sick damage with nothing to show for it but a few "empire" prizes it's too late to fix it.

Pentagon just announced 3,000 US 82nd Airborn going back into Kabul, Afghanistan to protect the civilian and diplomats still in that country with additional 3,000 troops in reserve in Cutter and another 3,000 in Kuwait. Breaking news on Fox News.

Strange pull out this is turning out to be. Can you say Saigon?

Our people all died and were maimed for nothing. 👎🏻

If the people in Afghanistan won't fight for themselves, let the Taliban take over. So be it. WE ARE NOT THE GLOBAL POLICE. WE'VE BEEN THERE TWO DECADES AND SPENT TONS OF MONEY AND TRAINING FOR WHAT? NOT TOO MENTION THE LOSS OF LIFE. Let Russia take another crack at it. They failed too.

Word is Kandahar has fallen to Taliban !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh-So Perfect now so forces can stay and build back up for the current Administration !!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

I think the Biden Admin had their own little plan all along 🤣🤣🤣🤣