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originally posted by: nicevillegrl
The blood clots and heart issues also, I suspect. I dont really understand how people can fear the vax but deny the existance of the virus. What am I missing
For some of us, it’s not about denying the existence of the virus... Instead, many like myself who are healthy, low-middle aged, with no comorbidities, don’t want to take a virtually unknown vaccination for an illness that has a better than 99% survival rate for us. AND... not everyone who gets the actual virus will experience the cytokine storm from spike protein proliferation either.
For example, I had CV in January and didn’t know it at the time. I only found out later after an antibody test. I had no effects at all. Which brings me to a second reason some of us don’t want it... If we’ve had the virus, the CDC says that the chances of getting it again are less than 1%.
But regardless, I do have a minor autoimmune condition I’ve had all my life and I previously got a mild case of Guillian-Barre after a flu shot. Since both those things increase the chance of issues from this vaccine due to high-level spike protein introduction, for me - even if I had not already had the virus - the risk of complications from the shot are higher than my risk of complications from CV itself . This was confirmed by my GP who flat-out recommended I not get the VX right now and agreed that the data shows that my chances of getting CV again (and that of anyone else who already had the virus) are less than a percent. So why risk it?
Basically... what I am saying is that for some of us, the risk/reward of the vaccine is lower or less than trusting our own immune system to respond appropriately in a natural way, rather than being forced into hyperdrive through artificial means... And then add to that... if we’ve already had the virus... getting the vax would be introducing new additional risk from the “generated” second infection we’d probably never get naturally.
Therefore, we’re not denying the virus... we’re just denying that the vaccine would help us more than potentially harm us. Furthermore, those of us who already have had the virus will most likely not get it again and thus, won’t transmit it to others either. Yet, even though that less than 1% reinfection rate was published by the CDC, many, including the agency itself, seem to want to ignore that. This causes those of us who fall into this camp to be called paranoid, silly, or selfish, when we are truly following the science based on the data THEY wrote, and that applies to our specific situation. And I know many like me...
It’s the whole one-size-fits-all, “every single person needs the shot no matter what” approach that is weird. AND that’s what makes it look like to some, that there could be some other agenda... whether there is or not. Thereby, making even others who might not have already had the virus, still leery of the shot too.
a reply to: BrujaRebooted
originally posted by: nicevillegrl
Yeah... I totally agree with you. And I understand what you are saying now.
I also think that if they (govt, media, CDC) were more honest and consistent in their messaging, there wouldn't be as many conspiracy theories like the one you mention. Right now, their poor messaging and contradictions - plus their insistence to VX "everyone" (even those with higher protection from having CV than the VX provides) - opens the door to total mistrust I think. Then, this creates a breeding ground for conspiracies where anything is possible.
(Side note: I blame the media A LOT. MANY MANY MANY years ago I was the "media" and I know what they teach. Anything for the story. Anything to get eyeballs. And the more you can polarize or divide people into "sides", the more eyeballs you get. The concepts behind the movie "The Social Dilemma" including "division sells" were in play in radio, paper, and tv before it ever became even more pervasive through the advent of the Internet. I think all of the media intentionally or unintentionally feed the conspiracies of both sides.)
a reply to: BrujaRebooted
originally posted by: gimcrackery
Biden is a prime example.
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
originally posted by: jerich0
originally posted by: Kaiju666
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: Kaiju666
I can only attest for myself. It's happening. I've noticed, ever since I was force fed the spike protein shake.
Someone held you down and jabbed you against your will? Where do you live?
Heavily pressured by wife because we won't be able to visit her family (foreign country) without it. Heavily pressured by work (writing on the wall there). Reside in Smurfville, Cali
Not bad for an optional thing. You have the option, sure, they're not forcing you...
As they said on tv here today, it's optional.. but if you don't you just won't get to do some things.
Clear as day, this rubbish is not optional. it's mandatory, or else you're a second class plebeian.
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: Kaiju666
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Someone held you down and jabbed you against your will? Where do you live?"
Heavily pressured by wife because we won't be able to visit her family (foreign country) without it. Heavily pressured by work (writing on the wall there). Reside in Smurfville, Cali
Ok, so, not force-fed, but I get it.
Did you not at least try to find a doc that would hand you the syringe, walk out the door while you swuirted its contents into the sink, come back in give you your jab papers?
Thankfully my wife and most of my relatives (hers are all gone) is/are just as opposed to jabs as I am.
My sympathies, and I hope you don't experience any of the bad stuff happening to a lot of the jabbed, noor future.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Apparently "Brain fog" isn't a medical condition.
It's a term used for certain symptoms that can affect your ability to think.