Why are states, and the White House, becoming more threatening over vaccines that don't even work?

a reply to: andy06shake

Then you cannot make any declarations about the vaccine's effectiveness one way or the other. You need a control group to make the comparison, and without that control group, there isn't one.

So hiding behind privileged health information as to why that info isn't known isn't an excuse.

a reply to: chr0naut

Conservative numbers from fake news tons more like this everywhere

But about half of adults infected in the outbreak were considered fully-vaccinated — meaning that it had been at least two weeks since they received their final dose of the Pfizer shot, he said.

nypost.com...

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts ...
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Jul 30, 2021About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated against the coronavirus with four of them ending up in the hospital, according to new data...

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated;

www.cdc.gov...

a reply to: ketsuko

Me personally i suppose not, i was certainly free to make the choice to get vaccinated all the same, based on available information, people round about me that are susceptible to COVID 19, and talking with my GP.

The vaccines work ketsuko and retard the onset of serious COVID 19 in most people, not really much debate about that any longer.

Im free to offer up my opinions just like you are.

I know lots of people who work in the medical health care industry, Doctors, Nurses and Care Workers, and they are all saying the same thing, get your jag unless you have a reason not to do so, simple as that.

How can i hide behind something that i don't have access to, your in the dark there yourself, privileged health information being exactly that.

End of the day vaccines are a choice.

If its any consolation both me and the Mrs are fully vaccinated, me with Pfizer and her with Astrazeneca. I had nothing more than a sore arm both shots, and the Mrs COVID like symptoms for a day or so with the first shot down to her having had COVID not long ago, second shot no symptoms at all.

I don't know anybody else that had any serious adverse effects nether.

Just my take on the matter all the same.

a reply to: chr0naut

You can clearly see what they are doing. All of the world wide case increase in vaccinated will be blamed on Delta variant which is reticules!
Why believe people who have lied and have full paged of redacted emails they don't want you to see?

An outbreak of Covid-19 among vaccinated staff at a Las Vegas hospital

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Covid Surges In 4 Of 5 Most Vaccinated Countries—Here's ...
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May 11, 2021Countries with the world's highest vaccination rates —including four of the top five most vaccinated—are fighting to contain coronavirus outbreaks that are, on a per-capita basis

Oregon family reunion leads to COVID-19 outbreak, even ...
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In all, Marienburg said, 21 family members either tested positive for COVID-19 or showed symptoms of the virus. Thirteen of those family members were fully vaccinated,

originally posted by: murphy22
Because they royally f'd up and they know it.

What we know now:

1. "Science" created the "pandimic" in China. Because the kind of "research" that created it, is illegal in the U.S.A.

The US moratorium on gain of function research ended in February 2018, so that type of research isn't illegal in the US.

There is also no evidence that gain of function research was being conducted in the lab in Wuhan. The published papers and reports don't show any sign of gain of function being used, and several scientists gave guidance to explicitly ensure researchers did not try using gain of function as a methodology.

Nor is it likely that the virus was created in a lab. That is just an unproven theory and there are good reasons that it is almost impossible that it is true.

2. "Science" let it escape. Must have been a Friday.

Again, that is not an established fact. It is just an allegation.

3. "Science/its" and "Government/s" had to scramble to protect their credibility and reasons for sucking up public treasure through taxes and donations.

Scientists have proposed the possibility of gain of function research being involved. Where do you think that idea came from? Some soccer mum on social media?

4. Not to let a good "oops!" go to waste. Drug company "scientist", capitlized on the "pandimic" to create "vaccines" (in short oder) for an illness that nobody is sure where it came from. But for a small nominal fee, with shipping and handling. They have a "vaccine" that has never been tested or approved by "science".

They created a vaccine in short order because they had been working on it for years, and just about every one of the best qualified persons in the world saw the value in achieving it. How long do you think it would take? It's just a vaccine. We have had them for nearly 200 years. Longer if you consider historical (and ancient historical) use of mild controlled infections to fight worse ones.

4.5 Governments not letting a good oops go to waste. Saw it as an opportunity to be more governmental. Obviously if you don't agree with them? You're anti-government and a threat to "civilization". And You're anti-"science".

Or... perhaps a pandemic is a public health issue? And good governance is to respond to a public health issue.

5. Those who get the "vaccine" which "legally" isn't a vaccine? Are the test subjects and "Science" experiment.

Do you think the word "vaccine" is something defined by law? Of course it is a vaccine. It is just that for some of the COVID-19 vaccines, they are making them by using a new method. Do you think that car that is assembled by robots, or that uses plastics in its bodywork, suddenly isn't a car anymore?

6. So now it's a "pandemic". Which isn't a pandemic. The only folks involved in a "pandemic" are the ones trying to erase the tracks.

It's a pandemic.

LOL.

a reply to: sraven

Getting the kids will be easy, they just line the booger eaters up in the school cafeteria - parental permission not required.

Yeah, not so much.

Permission not required?? Wrong.

Every parent I know, would have severe problems with that. Many to the point of violence, if not actual violence.

a reply to: andy06shake

The key there is you were free.

Over here, we are getting less and less free to make that choice. The full court press is on to force people to get vaccinated even as serious doubt - FROM THE EXPERTS FORCING THE SHOT - continues to trickle out as to the overall effectiveness of the shot.

So basically, they want you to get a shot that may not be more than 30% effective and that does carry a risk of some very serious side effects and for an illness that isn't very dangerous outside certain demographics. I'm not saying there aren't those who shouldn't get the shot. My father is in a group I think should get it for example, but I am saying that I see little point in outright attempting to force 100% compliance in this.

a reply to: seagull

I don't see them attempting to inoculate children without a written permission slip your side of the pond or mine.

Like you suggest parents would go ape-crap over such actions, and then some.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well you do you ketsuko, that all i can suggest.

My Mrs was 36, non smoker for 6 months, not particularly overweight, fit and active person, and COVID 19 put her flat on her arse back in January for 10 days straight.

Could not breath, temperature over 100, delirious, and required and ambulance that did not turn up for 6/7 hours down to weather and hospitals being filled to capacity at the time. Only pre-existing she had was Asthma, and that was terrifying.

I had COVID 19 also beat it in 48/72 hours, but i did not know where i was for about a day or so.

I dont see much point in forcing 100% compliance nether, because people just don't roll that way, and at the end of the day you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

The thing is government keeps banging on and on about mandates and compliance, but they haven't proven the vaccines are the least bit effective. Maybe at one point the vaccines were effective against the first version of covid, but with 74% infection among fully vaccinated people its obvious its not working now. So why force people to get it unless there is some other aspect they aren't telling us about?

This is a conspiracy site. I am sure people here can imagine a scenario or two where something nefarious is taking place and requires some degree of our compliance to achieve fruition.

We have known for years now that much of our food comes from China. Even food originally from the US is shipped to China to be processed, then returned to the US for commercial sale. What if something is being added to the food. Something seemingly benign on its own, but reacts with certain engineered modifications in covid? I could imagine using something like that as a perfect way to remotely remove a portion of a population without having drastic affect on the remainder. Our new rulers will still need workers after all...

a reply to: Vroomfondel

That's just it ...

I'm not sure whom to trust or what any more.

If the shot does what they say it does, then the full court press to get people vaccinated makes sense.

But in the face of that, they are enforcing the same measures they had when there was no shot as if the shot does nothing. And to excuse this, they release information that seemingly undermines the concept of full vaccination.

And yet the full court press to vaccinate everyone continues ...

Somewhere in there, there is a very important truth not being told. I don't know what it is. At this point, it could be something that goes one of a few different ways to make the puzzle pieces make sense, but for whatever reason, no one is telling the whole truth.

And until I have all the pieces to see for myself, I don't want to go any further one way or the other.

a reply to: ketsuko

You may be able to get a vaccine that's not mRNA based from Novavax quite soon.

ec.europa.eu...

Sill got your spike protein but its made from moth cells and tree bark.

a reply to: chr0naut

The efficacy of the shots is illusory. It is presented in advertising literature from Pharma.

Pharma has proved over many long decades that it is at least as mendacious as its patrons in government.

Pfizer alone pleaded guilty to criminal fraud several times since 2004.

It is foolishness to believe the statements of convicted liars.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: HawkEyi

You trust these mRNA/spike protein to soon and early.

I am ignorant and only pay attention to those who say the mRNA vaccines are the only solution.

When will you be willing to call it an endemic? Not as scary, I know, but I’m sure they’ll find ways?

a reply to: chr0naut

originally posted by: Neobucket
When will you be willing to call it an endemic? Not as scary, I know, but I’m sure they’ll find ways?

a reply to: chr0naut

It has spread around the world and has affected every country.

It isn't unique to just a single location, nationality, or population, so it isn't endemic.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: chr0naut

The efficacy of the shots is illusory. It is presented in advertising literature from Pharma.

Pharma has proved over many long decades that it is at least as mendacious as its patrons in government.

Pfizer alone pleaded guilty to criminal fraud several times since 2004.

It is foolishness to believe the statements of convicted liars.

The efficacy of the vaccines is visible in the data of many countries, but clearest in those that had the greatest number of daily new cases and the most comprehensive uptake of vaccinations.

What is clear, however, is that most countries are now experiencing a rise in daily new cases, that began happening from July, and this usually corresponds to a reduction in vaccination numbers. This could either mean that the country has run out of people to vaccinate, which we know has not been happening, or it could mean that there is a highly infectious new strain that is raging among those who have not vaccinated.

The effectiveness of the vaccines is shown by the initial sharp downturn in daily cases in nearly every country where the vaccine has been rolled out, and the later rise in cases has coincided with a reduction of new vaccinations and the spread of more infectious strains. The data is international and clear.

Johns Hopkins COVID-19 dashboard.

a reply to: chr0naut

That is solid logic, except for one thing: the spike in new cases is mostly in fully vaccinated people, not the unvaccinated. As stated in the OP in Massachusetts 74% of new cases are in fully vaccinated people. This would indicate that a downturn in vaccination is not responsible for the surge in new cases, nor are the unvaccinated.

Re: mobile.twitter.com...

If your family or friends still go bananas when these headlines surface, it's time to distance yourself from them for awhile...

Until their wisdom and maturity level has caught up to where you're at.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Last week the White House says people who were vaccinated are not the ones going to the hospital or dying.

That was their reasoning for everyone getting vaccinated. To stay out of the hospital or worse.

Since the Biden White House gives out so much conflicting information, I have no idea if their statements were correct or not.