Anti-VaX Mandate Protest in Lansing, MI 8/6/21

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Here in the states, some value their rights and freedoms.

What is sad is that folks who share your innate need to lord over others and just can't rationalize why someone wouldn't want to be told to do something especially when bereft of credibility.

There in the States, is where it is happening.

Ain't happenin' here, where everyone knows the value of a public health campaign. We are free to choose to not vaccinate, if we want. The government offers it free of charge, but turning up is still voluntary.

And if anyone doesn't toe that line......?

Nothing that I know of. The government here aren't running stupid adverts, or lotteries, or providing any other silly enticements, either.

I mean you only count the ones that fall in line and let's not consider the scale differences between our two countries.

I dunno, I heard that per capita, the USA incarcerates more of its own than any other country in the world.

What makes you think you are free?

You know all those brainwashed North Koreans you see on the TV? LOL. Imagine how those in other countries see things, looking at such tyrannical and authoritarian regimes.

Hint: What this thread is about, is that you are being controlled by an authoritarian government. And all you can do is try and somehow deflect against other governments, which aren't even acting like that!

Not always do I agree with you lol. But there’s some valid points in here. And I think it may just be perspective in how some are reacting or perceiving this differently.
I doubt the majority disagrees that our government is authoritarian, our populace is pointing blame at eachother, our incarceration rate is stupid. Our prison system in general is screwed, but most agree with that too I’m sure.

I don’t see this as a dig but more of a summary of what we all know…and it’s not just happening here. Happens there too.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

Thankfully, there are places and people where they are educated and rational, and a mandate is not necessary.

Your credible sources are propaganda - simple, you do not get to decide what is and is not credible - do YOU understand this simple concept?? - thankfully there are places and people where they are educated and lateral thinkers such that FORCING people to take a vaccine leads to authoritarianism.

I know. Look at how we were all enslaved by having to wear seatbelts! Oh, the humanity! Think of the... the... the... children...... .

You:

That guy looks very dapper, reminds me of the safety patrol crossing guards in elementary school. That might make a good look for some brown shirt youth group enforcing vaccine mandates, masking and social distancing.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

I see some irony in this statement.

The thing that you seem to fail to comprehend is that, here in America, there is still a large number of people who like their freedoms to remain intact. The concept of freedom has been bastardized (over the past century, mostly...the past 50 years, definitely), but some of us still prefer to exercise our first-amendment right to call out for such preservation of freedoms.

And for the record, no, seat belts should not be mandated, educational campaigns against smoking are fine if they're factual (taxing them into oblivion as an effort to force cessation and making it criminal to resell single cigarettes because the state doesn't get their tax money, not so much).

ZERO mandates surrounding COVID are necessary, as you imply. It would appear that you lack clarity of the bigger picture in regard to the preservation of personal freedoms AND the true severity of COVID-19.

And the fact that you make light of a government forcing adults to wear seatbelts shows the degree to which you do not think deeply.

Where do you pin the medals on?

Of course Arlington only has about 400,000 dead.

What a strange perspective in that photograph, it has four vanishing points. Must be how they create a panoramic in digital cameras these days. It may be how the rows of grave stones line up and phase with direction of view, but very odd.

ETA: After looking over many photos of Arlington, it seems to be a trick of perspective related to the grid pattern, a phasing effect to be sure.

Damn, this blew up way more than I expected overnight, lol

Also folks, quit feeding Xena, it can go dumpster dive for it's troll food in it's own threads.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Nyiah

Wow a protest, we had some in the US but they are blocked by the media, remember when the protest against mandates during Trump, how the democrats pay for Antifa terrorist to made them into a anti Trump political statement.

What was mean to be peaceful protest for anti oppressing democrats governors were take over by terrorist and made into nothing but a political let burn everything mess.

And who got arrested and prosecuted? who bailed the terrorist, remember all? now the leaders live in million dollars homes.

Yeah, it has by no means escaped me that the only protests that get ample attention are the ones lining greedy pseudo- "activist" pockets. Those dumb asses don't realize how transparent they are. One mansion in an exclusive neighborhood and one BLM twatwaffle later and it's woken up at least a couple of folks I know, "Activism isn't supposed to make you personally rich, that's running a business...Oh damn." Yeah, glad to see THAT finally clicked.

a reply to: chr0naut

Educated and rational?

How can somebody who is willing to take a dangerous and experimental injection to protect himself from a flu virus with a 99% survival rate be described as educated and rational?

a reply to: chr0naut

That's amazing they represent 10% of the global death rate. XD 9.02times higher then any other place in the world, and the actual death rate of the virus.

Ain't they some lucky bastards if you claiming all of that was covid. Should of played the lottery instead.

Either way that photo is altered, looks like It was taken right out of the movie saving private Ryan. When the guy be finished telling his story.

Most covid victims did NOT get burried same with the vaxed, they got cremated, because it cost like 30g for a plot for 10yrs. Not even getting into the cost of the headstone. Most people would of left that crap to their family, instead after using/lockdowns all year.

Average burial was about 2%, cause a little more then the 1% can afford it. At least here in the US.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: chr0naut

Educated and rational?

How can somebody who is willing to take a dangerous and experimental injection to protect himself from a flu virus with a 99% survival rate be described as educated and rational?

A 99% survival rate means that 1 out of every hundred dies.

a reply to: Nyiah

Good for them.

Hopefully more will let them know we don't approve.

We've been having them locally here as well.

I'm sure the authorities will design some false flag to make us all look like nuts.

originally posted by: BlackArrow
a reply to: chr0naut

That's amazing they represent 10% of the global death rate. XD 9.02times higher then any other place in the world, and the actual death rate of the virus.

Ain't they some lucky bastards if you claiming all of that was covid. Should of played the lottery instead.

Either way that photo is altered, looks like It was taken right out of the movie saving private Ryan. When the guy be finished telling his story.

Most covid victims did NOT get burried same with the vaxed, they got cremated, because it cost like 30g for a plot for 10yrs. Not even getting into the cost of the headstone. Most people would of left that crap to their family, instead after using/lockdowns all year.

Average burial was about 2%, cause a little more then the 1% can afford it. At least here in the US.

Of course, only US citizens who have served in the military can be buried in Arlington. What I was trying to illustrate was the numbers of deaths involved.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

Thankfully, there are places and people where they are educated and rational, and a mandate is not necessary.

Your credible sources are propaganda - simple, you do not get to decide what is and is not credible - do YOU understand this simple concept?? - thankfully there are places and people where they are educated and lateral thinkers such that FORCING people to take a vaccine leads to authoritarianism.

I know. Look at how we were all enslaved by having to wear seatbelts! Oh, the humanity! Think of the... the... the... children...... .

I'm sorry, I missed the part where seatbelts were emergency approved, without all the testing and research that normally takes YEARS, and were then injected into your body.

a reply to: chr0naut

So weird to say facebook makes people anti vax. You think people are incapable of doing any research. A vaccine is meant to prevent you from getting, not damper the symptoms. If we were talking about a deadly disease or virus there would be a select group that wouldnt, but the majority of the people against covid "vaccine" would have no problem getting the shot. The people with the "vaccine" should feel nice and safe. People without know what they're doing.

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

Thankfully, there are places and people where they are educated and rational, and a mandate is not necessary.

Your credible sources are propaganda - simple, you do not get to decide what is and is not credible - do YOU understand this simple concept?? - thankfully there are places and people where they are educated and lateral thinkers such that FORCING people to take a vaccine leads to authoritarianism.

I know. Look at how we were all enslaved by having to wear seatbelts! Oh, the humanity! Think of the... the... the... children...... .

I'm sorry, I missed the part where seatbelts were emergency approved, without all the testing and research that normally takes YEARS, and were then injected into your body.

That's right, they weren't even emergency approved, not only by the FDA, but by any certificatory government body! Quick, ban them immediately!



Britain’s Seat Belt Law should be Repealed

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

Thankfully, there are places and people where they are educated and rational, and a mandate is not necessary.

[sarcasm]
Seat belts - hell no! Anti-smoking campaigns - hell no! They won't even let people play some games, like Russian Roulette- Not on my watch!
[/sarcasm]

The first principle of medicine is "above all else, do no harm." The word DO signifies action or commission of a deed.

If an unvaccinated person spreads a virus, and somebody is harmed thereby, that is harm of OMISSION.

If a person is forced, bullied, coerced or tricked into taking a vaccine they would otherwise not take, and if they suffer a significant adverse reaction, that is a harm by COMMISSION.

Of the two, only the harm by COMMISSION violates medical ethics. This is a crime!

Nobody has the right to reduce their own risk profile, by increasing somebody else's. Yet bullying and in some cases forcing people into vaccines they don't want, which have unknown long-term safety data, does exactly that.

Unfortunately, we have little way to tell what the long term effects will be now. The double blind randomized control trial is tainted for Moderna and Pfizer!

www.npr.org...

Would have been nice to have that news plastered everywhere back in February!

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: chr0naut

So weird to say facebook makes people anti-vax. You think people are incapable of doing any research.

Yes. Very many read a brief paragraph and just accept it, even to the point of repeating the specific words used, without any sign that they have done any research.

A vaccine is meant to prevent you from getting, not damper the symptoms.

Are they? Have you done any research on vaccines, how they work and their historical use?

Clearly, a vaccine won't stop a pathogen from entering your system. What vaccines do is train your immune system to have an immune response to the pathogen. An immune response may include some symptoms, such as elevated temperature & etc.

A primed and ready immune system, however, means you can fight off the infection earlier and more effectively.

If we were talking about a deadly disease or virus

And a pathogen that has killed 4,292,960 people to date, worldwide, in about a year and a half, is not deadly? What research have you done that leads you to that conclusion?

there would be a select group that wouldnt, but the majority of the people against covid "vaccine" would have no problem getting the shot. The people with the "vaccine" should feel nice and safe. People without know what they're doing.

Why did you put quotes around the word vaccine? Could it be because you saw some social media post that suggests the vaccines aren't? Because there's nothing in science or the structure language that suggests that they aren't vaccines. If you wanted to get really pedantic, only the treatment of smallpox by vaccinia is a vaccine, but that is not the way the word has been used since the treatment was introduced 200 years ago.

You see, when you have views that show you have not researched anything, and even repeat the very words and concepts that are being pushed pretty much only on social media, it weakens your argument considerably.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

Thankfully, there are places and people where they are educated and rational, and a mandate is not necessary.

[sarcasm]
Seat belts - hell no! Anti-smoking campaigns - hell no! They won't even let people play some games, like Russian Roulette- Not on my watch!
[/sarcasm]

The first principle of medicine is "above all else, do no harm." The word DO signifies action or commission of a deed.

If an unvaccinated person spreads a virus, and somebody is harmed thereby, that is harm of OMISSION.

If someone causes the death of someone unintentionally, it is either involuntary manslaughter, if the person had no idea that their actions would have such consequence, or voluntary manslaughter if they knew that by action or omission that their actions could potentially cause death.

In the case of spreading a known fatal pathogen, like with COVID-19, that would be voluntary manslaughter.

If a person is forced, bullied, coerced or tricked into taking a vaccine they would otherwise not take, and if they suffer a significant adverse reaction, that is a harm by COMMISSION.

Of the two, only the harm by COMMISSION violates medical ethics. This is a crime!

If the attempt was harm reduction, then it wasn't a crime. A crime implies malign intent.

Nobody has the right to reduce their own risk profile, by increasing somebody else's. Yet bullying and in some cases forcing people into vaccines they don't want, which have unknown long-term safety data, does exactly that.

Unfortunately, we have little way to tell what the long term effects will be now. The double blind randomized control trial is tainted for Moderna and Pfizer!

www.npr.org...

Would have been nice to have that news plastered everywhere back in February!

Wouldn't the withholding of a simple to administer, and affordable (and subsidized) treatment for a fatal condition, be doing harm?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Nyiah

How sad that it comes to this that some idiots on social media push their dangerous opinion and so many have insufficient discernment to realize that anyone can say just about anything on social media and people believe it more than credible sources.

Thankfully, there are places and people where they are educated and rational, and a mandate is not necessary.

Your credible sources are propaganda - simple, you do not get to decide what is and is not credible - do YOU understand this simple concept?? - thankfully there are places and people where they are educated and lateral thinkers such that FORCING people to take a vaccine leads to authoritarianism.

I know. Look at how we were all enslaved by having to wear seatbelts! Oh, the humanity! Think of the... the... the... children...... .

I'm sorry, I missed the part where seatbelts were emergency approved, without all the testing and research that normally takes YEARS, and were then injected into your body.

That's right, they weren't even emergency approved, not only by the FDA, but by any certificatory government body! Quick, ban them immediately!

Britain’s Seat Belt Law should be Repealed

Nice try, but the NHTSA would say differently.

Did you hurt yourself with that stretch?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: chr0naut

Educated and rational?

How can somebody who is willing to take a dangerous and experimental injection to protect himself from a flu virus with a 99% survival rate be described as educated and rational?

A 99% survival rate means that 1 out of every hundred dies.

Let's take a closer look at that number.

AGE.............SURVIVAL RATE
0-19............99.997%
20-49..........99.98%
50-69..........99.95%
70+..............99.6%
Average......99.88175%

Which equals .11825% death rate.

CDC.GOV

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: chr0naut

Educated and rational?

How can somebody who is willing to take a dangerous and experimental injection to protect himself from a flu virus with a 99% survival rate be described as educated and rational?

A 99% survival rate means that 1 out of every hundred dies.

Let's take a closer look at that number.

AGE.............SURVIVAL RATE
0-19............99.997%
20-49..........99.98%
50-69..........99.95%
70+..............99.6%
Average......99.88175%

Which equals .11825% death rate.

CDC.GOV

How you getting those survival rates from your link? The link takes you to "COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios" - did you mean to use another link?

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: chr0naut

Educated and rational?

How can somebody who is willing to take a dangerous and experimental injection to protect himself from a flu virus with a 99% survival rate be described as educated and rational?

A 99% survival rate means that 1 out of every hundred dies.

Let's take a closer look at that number.

AGE.............SURVIVAL RATE
0-19............99.997%
20-49..........99.98%
50-69..........99.95%
70+..............99.6%
Average......99.88175%

Which equals .11825% death rate.

CDC.GOV

US numbers: 616,829 deaths. 35,764,022 cases. That is 1.72%.

Don't know how you are calculating your numbers, but I'd guess you are basing it on total population. Which isn't valid because people who are uninfected cannot possibly die from COVID-19.

When you calculate the mortality rate of any particular disease, you don't count people who cannot possibly be affected.

Similarly, when calculating the survivability of a disease, the people you count must have had the disease, to survive it.

a reply to: chr0naut

US numbers: 616,829 deaths. 35,764,022 cases. That is 1.72%.

81% of all people that get covid-19 have mild to no symptoms. Therefore if you have 100 people with covid-19 only roughly 30% is going to go to the hospital or doctor and get tested. Of those 30 people 5 (1.75%) of them will die. This equates to .58% death rate overall. Of that .58% the vast majority is very old people with underlying conditions thus raising the average persons survival rate much much more being that 90% of the population is under age 65. So the number I showed earlier which is about .1182% is a more realistic death rate for MOST people.

90% of the U.S. population is under age 65 yet over 80% of covid-19 deaths are of people age over 65. Also take into account the number I listed above with 81% of people that get covid-19 has mild to no symptoms and you get a very small fraction of the population which already are very old and have underlying conditions that die of covid-19. These people are fragile and on their way out already! Let THEM take the shot. We don't need to have the entire country taking an experimental vaccine with only 6 months of study and NOT FDA approved because of fragile people (a very small percentage of the population) that are already on their way out and dying.

This vaccine could very well have serious insidious consequences for a large percentage of our population in as little as a few years and literally has the potential to cause vastly more damage to the human race than covid-19 could ever dream of.

I say let the people that are at the most risk of covid-19 take it the shot if they want. There is no sense for people that have such an extremely low death rate to risk this experimental vaccine. For most of the population the vaccine is literally more risky than covid-19!

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