The authors of the bible wrote to obscure things

This is Revelation 13:18

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

But this is what I get when I un-obscure Revelation 13:18

She is the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment. Let her that hath understanding counter the deed of the foe: for it is the deed of a woman; and her deed is extreme twin sibling incest to be continued.

Do any of you see that the authors of the bible wrote to obscure truth?

You must learn to un-obscure truth when reading the bible, I tell you.

The reason they wrote to obscure truth is because the foe is among, even now, that they didn't want foiling their message of truth.

1 Corinthians 2:6-15 says:

Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,

“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—

these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.d

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

You have a point. Much of the scriptures are kind of an "open secret," many things hidden plain sight. Nothing is hidden to the one who has ears to hear and eyes to see. The Holy Spirit of God will give understanding to anyone who seeks with a right heart and with proper motives.

And of course, we'd expect the mockers to scoff, because we know that "For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18, with trigger warning)

We must remember, however, "first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21) The witness of historical orthodox Christianity and mostly the cross-referenced testimony of the Scriptures in themselves that testify to one another are critical factors.
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a reply to: Claymation213

You unobscure revelations, please tell me what method you use to unobscure revelations and arrive at your understanding?

a reply to: Claymation213

What are the steps or method you used to arrive at that "unobscuring"?

Does this only apply to Revelation?

Not answering for the OP, but as a student of the scriptures: The Book of Revelation is also called The Apocalypse because it belongs to a specific genre of literature that is called apocapalyptic. Sadly, the word has come to be conflated with catastrophic "end-of-the-world" type events, but that's not what it means in a literary sense.

Apocalyptic literature is a very specific style birthed in a very specific cultural and historical setting. Understanding what that means opens the Book of Revelation in some beautiful and fascinating ways. I don't have the time to delve into all of that here, but a book by a man named Derek Thomas was very helpful to me in grasping much of the Apocalypse. It's called simply Let's Study Revelation, and if you want to "unobscure" the book, I highly recommend it.

I have not interest in the sale of that book, just recommending it as a solid resource for understanding The Apocalypse.
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King James hired a man to rewrite and edit out many writings; it took that man 2 years and he got paid well; the Bible has so many contradictions in it; it is really annoying.

a reply to: incoserv

Revelations was written during Roman oppression, yes it was written to “obscure”, it is also prophecy and prophecy is only realised in hindsight.
I don’t disagree it’s obscure, was more interested how the op arrived at their understanding of revelation
Overall I agree, may have a look for the book but, not really going to waste my time with prophecy when the real world needs Christ’s love

And I will add, the Bible was not written to obscure, Revelations, yes, the bible, no

originally posted by: Claymation213
This is Revelation 13:18

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

But this is what I get when I un-obscure Revelation 13:18

She is the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment. Let her that hath understanding counter the deed of the foe: for it is the deed of a woman; and her deed is extreme twin sibling incest to be continued.

Do any of you see that the authors of the bible wrote to obscure truth?

You must learn to un-obscure truth when reading the bible, I tell you.

The reason they wrote to obscure truth is because the foe is among, even now, that they didn't want foiling their message of truth.

Because, they were not allowed to call out what the truth was. When people do that they get targeted for destruction. Yes, the foe, adversary, Devil, Satan, Rex Mudi, Aliens, reptilians, ancient ones, the gods of old. They change names not to protect the innocent, but to cover for the guilty.

Blaming the woman for what happened is what they want, but the truth, it was rape, by them.

Yes, they are here, and their covert agents, running the world with their secret societies. The Bible becomes blatantly clear when you merge ALL the information back together, in the proper context. The writers of that day did the best they could. The greatest thing keeping them from sharing more, was death. For anyone who spoke against the "rulers" met a grizzly demise.

When reading the bible, and all other scriptures, from all religions, to include Satanism, in its true form, ancient history, you the reader are no longer in charge, the spirit takes over and starts connecting the dots. And it takes over from there.

Me, the flesh and blood me, just goes along for the ride, but, I, can shut it down when I decide to. Virtually all of what we have been taught about the nature of "god", small g, is false and in reality, what is known as satanic reversal. The many gods, merged into one. They have, just as you see today in a particular political party, point their finger and project shame on the other party claiming they are the sinners, when in fact, it was they who sinned against mankind.
The foe has created a system of control I call the "Matrix of Lies".

Sorry to mess on your thread Sometimes, I just can't help it.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

To stray a tad, but relating to obscured communications, I'll admit that once you see the extent of symbols that are hidden in plain sight in corporate advertising, government and accompanying institutions and understand their meaning, my own stance- that those behind it were simply mocking the credulous religious sheep or using old iconography to be edgy- starts to get cracks.

To the average modern atheist or agnostic, realizing that those who really control our power structures really might believe in spirituality is really really unreal ... really.

Realizing that most of the powerful seem to embrace esoteric ideology and an authoritarian power that doesn't seem to like free thought or people, in general, is also a tad disconcerting.

It also engenders uncomfortable questions like; If THEY mock religions while secretly worshiping some spiritual authoritarian power, then what's really going on here?

I assumed revelations 13:18 was written for the true messiah.

I think it’s Isaiah 11:2 where it talks about the spirit of wisdom and understand moving upon the messiah.

Wouldn’t it make sense that one day the messiah will be revealed and God will show him the true answer to the riddle?

a reply to: Baddogma

To stray a tad, but relating to obscured communications, I'll admit that once you see the extent of symbols that are hidden in plain sight in corporate advertising, government and accompanying institutions and understand their meaning, my own stance- that those behind it were simply mocking the credulous religious sheep or using old iconography to be edgy- starts to get cracks.

Something tells me to look toward the movie "They Live" about the scene showing the image of a dollar bill, and that, is the god to worship. It says all the other gods should be ignored and only worry about your own good. No gods, before me... You ever notice how through time the name of the god, or how you worship him changes? Today, its the almighty dollar.

Subliminal messaging is used in advertising because it targets a certain audience. Or, like the lyrics in the music. It triggers mindsets that we have no allowance to consider. We have made a horrible assumption that everyone we meet, are human beings, they are not. It may be true we are all born with a "soul", until we don't. In other words when you sell that soul for fame or fortune, you are no longer part of humanity. They will retain all the memories of that person but the connection to the soul spirit will be lost. To these people it is true, there is no such thing as the soul, it has left them. And what is left is a cunning, self centered, narcissist, who creates his reality with no regard for others, true compassion or empathy, even though he can mimic these attributes, is a true Chameleon. When presented with evidence, facts, that prove the reality they create is faulty, the first thing they do, is look away. They hate the truth. (there are other attributes to identify them)

Not simply mocking religious beliefs or religions, i suspect it is to manipulate their covert agents into directions of action. A spirited person takes their marching orders from their heart's. The minions would need another, forgive the term, "Q". On their stage in life they always need guidance, And as President Biden constantly require, a helper to direct them.

To the average modern atheist or agnostic, realizing that those who really control our power structures really might believe in spirituality is really really unreal ... really.

As covered above, to those, it is the truth, there is no spirit, and when they die, there is nothing else. For additional information on this subject research "Soul Scalping" Black Eye Club", and read the Gospel Of Judas. Jesus refers to the human soul as a star.

It also engenders uncomfortable questions like; If THEY mock religions while secretly worshiping some spiritual authoritarian power, then what's really going on here?

Whats going on? Again. The Matrix of Lies. The truth is, those original gods never went anywhere, and have always been here out of sight, out of our reality since just before the great flood. They left in place of them blood relatives in the form of demigods. They were put in charge of the world and created secret societies to control the populations. The god of the old testament was a early creation to control the masses. And you know how bloodthirsty that god was portrayed to be, because in reality, "They" were. The esoteric know the truth that "this" "gods" are not spiritual, but are flesh and blood, for a good reason, they are. And when the bloodlines of the demigods (gods chosen) (Rh- , but not all of them, they too must sell their souls) want something, it is best to serve those hidden, flesh and blood gods who posses technology (UFOs) we can only dream about.

I hope I have answered your questions, if not, I hope I have given you things to consider.

Thank you for your comments.

ADDED: Yes, the chameleon monsters in the movie are meant to represent the soulless humans.

originally posted by: CrazyContactGuy
I assumed revelations 13:18 was written for the true messiah.

I think it’s Isaiah 11:2 where it talks about the spirit of wisdom and understand moving upon the messiah.

Wouldn’t it make sense that one day the messiah will be revealed and God will show him the true answer to the riddle?

i would think the 666 represents the soulless humans, not the spirited. Satan's Secret Weapon. But I'm no Jesus lol

The authors of the bible wrote to obscure things

Because the Bible was not meant to read with an "earthly mind".
However , reading it will eventually lead to understanding .

a reply to: incoserv
I did not "find" God until I was 35 years old. I had been seeking Him and trying to understand Him for a while. I believe that he slowly led me all those years prior by putting certain people in my life. I attended the Catholic school from 7th to 12th grade and through Religion classes and church once a week I learned their beliefs but could never buy into them. As a young child I was taken to church by my aunts and uncles when we visited and my cousins tried to explain Baptist beliefs but all of the "hell fire and damnation" was a little much for me. I don't think God meant for people to scare you into believing. There are however, specific things in my life that stand out to me which kept me seeking the truth, one of those being my grandfather a devote baptist, telling me that everything I'd need answer to could be found in the bible. I don't know that I can accurately describe how I found God. I can say that it was during some of the darkest days of my life. I got down on my knees in prayer and begged God to let me understand the bible.....and He did. I believe it was time, He knew I was ready. I'm telling this story because of this sentence in the passage, "Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away." I believe a personal relationship of a mature person is neccessary. That has NOTHING to do with a preacher, priest, denomination, dogma, or building. Many people go to church but not all of them have the understanding and love in their hearts it's in their heads. With that said I am not saying that preachers are irrelevant, I believe many need to hear the word and gathering to pray is what God tells us to do but churches need to stop "teaching" and encourage people to seek a personal relationship with God out. That will never happen because there is too much money involved in all the churches. I do believe the bible has been obscured by the people that wrote it but we have to remember it was commissioned by Constantine who saw how much revenue the Christians that he gave refuge from persecution to, would generate to his empire. I believe there are things that should have been in the bible but were hid from us but I also believe that there is enough in the bible to strengthen and sustain us until we can discover those hidden truths.

originally posted by: Claymation213
The reason they wrote to obscure truth is because the foe is among, even now, that they didn't want foiling their message of truth.

Are you talking about Yahushua's Parables ?

a reply to: RookQueen

The similarity between your story and my own forces me to share. And it is true, its not the destination of a journey that is the reward, Its the sojourn to it, that is. All made possible by this life we live, and who actually gave it to us. With tears in my eyes.

Along the way I have discovered some very amazing things about this world we live in and even some about the next. I can not claim all that I know, suspect, or my conclusions belong entirely to me, because, I also know there has been "Divine" guidance along my path.

Certainly, the heart within us seeks out the truth in all things that touch it. We see the pain and suffering in other hearts and it pains us, because we have spiritual empathy with others of this heart. And we seek that which we have been taught is god. And those that do this will find no real comfort of spirit and keep searching for a deeper truth.

Many do not realize that it is true that we are more than a body, a body to be manipulated, lied to, sacrificed, tricked into war, tortured and even murdered. We are tricked into fear that guides us to obedience so the physical gods (demigods) will never have cause to fear, us. Its the "secret weapon we all posses that fears them the most and the truth they seek to hide by distortion, and putting it onto a useless context. Keeping this secret weapon, disarmed.

Recently I went to a political rally and saw with my own eyes a miracle unfolding. My physical eyes saw not thousands but millions of people standing, united. They were not there to make money or fulfill any physical needs, but were there because their hearts told them to be there. Those people were of the same heart, regardless of religion, race, country of origin, age, or even sexual orientation. They were there reassembling a heart of a greater magnitude. As though something was fractured long ago, now coming back into wholeness.

Is the physical world god responsible for this reassembling? I doubt it. It comes from that spiritual divine creator that resides not in churches, not in the human mind, not in deacons clerics or priests, not in statues or a book. As, you point out. It was attempted to hide again this force by labeling this force "The Living God". When maybe more accurately should have been labeled "The Living Spirit" The other half of our existence. And as you have pointed out the truth of where he resides, when, we invite "Him" in.

When that spirit is reunited, no power on or in earth, will be able to stand against it.

originally posted by: alexandrae
King James hired a man to rewrite and edit out many writings; it took that man 2 years and he got paid well; the Bible has so many contradictions in it; it is really annoying.

I also use to "see" contradictions in the Bible. After 25 or so years of being a fake deceived Christian, circumstances humbled me to the point our Creator could actually work with me. After being spiritually baptized I realized the Bible truly must be spiritually discerned and rightly divided.

There are no contradictions in The Holy King James Version Bible. None. Most other modern English translations have BIG problems, as if they were coauthored by dark forces. They make God a liar, reduce Jesus to a human, and say the mark goes ON the right hand or forehead rather than IN, and that is just scratching the surface.

Doctrine matters!!! We could split this into endless threads, and I would try making time for every one of them. We are likely all deceived over some things and I value truth over my own petty Earthly existence that is but a vapor that quickly comes and goes.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye
This was an awesome response. Thank you for sharing. I believe one day we will all find out that many things which have been shunned by doctrine and dogma will be shown to be relevant!

originally posted by: RookQueen
a reply to: All Seeing Eye
This was an awesome response. Thank you for sharing. I believe one day we will all find out that many things which have been shunned by doctrine and dogma will be shown to be relevant!

I just hope that "one day" isn't the day after I walk up to pearly gates lol But, in the long run, maybe our education here, will help, there. No way to tell. For now... I can see it now. I cross over, wake up there, and a group of long lost friends and family standing around me, and that one special uncle slaps me on the shoulder and everyone else starts laughing as he says out loud, while laughing "Wasn't that a trip" LOL

Thank you for your compliment.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye
I have the feeling that it will be revealed very soon. I could be wrong but life feels very different right now. I am hoping like you that I find out while still in this earthly realm if not I'm okay with that too. Before I was being awakened, I was okay with finding out after I pass on so it's no big deal if I have to wait until then.