Full Green Ahead?

About 2-3 months ago in my Province of New Brunswick our health ministers used coercion to get people vaccinated, making statements like no going back to normal until exactly 75 % of the population is fully 2 shots vaccinated. I found this curious and fired off a few letters to my local MP ( Member of Parliament ) about where this 75 % number came from and what science its based on and all I got in return was a cut & paste response talking about we need herd immunity to get back to normal and this can only be achieved when 75 % of the population is fully vaccinated.. I never thought herd immunity is something we get from a man made vaccine ( Gene Therapy ).

Its nice to be able to go out with NO restrictions whatsoever, but what is depressing is even still about half or more than half of the people are still wearing the diaper, good grief. They just finished the big vaccination drive and 82.3 % got their first dose and 67.9 % got their second dose. I'm glad the Premier went against the Health Minister advise of NO NORMAL UNTIL exactly 75 % get both doses. we actually went full green 4 days sooner than was projected. ( BTW our cases sky rocketed after the mask mandates which happened anywhere they are implemented the mandate happened Sept 2020 )

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My big concern is I've notice anywhere they have done these mass vaccination campaigns 3 month after being administered there have been increases in hospitalization and the emergence of new variants. So far the trend seems to be the vaccinated are winding up in hospitals at a greater rate than the unvaccinated at numbers ranging from greater than 50 % to in upwards of 75 % Israel being an example. New variants are being blamed for this but who knows the science has been muddied for a while now. It seems people are willing to blame the unvaccinated for this because its convenient to do so even before the science is out on the matter. I personally feel burned out from doing constant daily research on all these matters, its literally exhausting. Not to mention all the letters I have written to Politicians, Health Ministers, Education Ministers and Child Advocacy groups.

Here is the thing our Premier Blaine Higgs said in a statement we will NOT be going back to any restrictions unless things became serious and the Delta varient is of no concern, people in this Province are going to have to learn to live with Covid. That's not an exact quote but the just of it. Our Province just released this Document on " Living With Covid-19 " found below.

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I'm hoping we stay this way ( in green ), but still I have a very bad bad feeling something is about to give and it may not be good. I had high anxiety months before this happened ( March lock downs 2020 ) and it was unlike anything I have experienced before up until now, my anxiety is back and its worse than before, I just hope its nothing. I just want my life back.

BTW our Premier is a Conservative.

Thank you ATS for hearing my concerns.

a reply to: enament
I work in a Taiwanese owed Chemical Plant here in the USA. They are pushing hard for everyone to get the jab and currently 54% of our employees have. As an incentive, they are offering a whopping $30 gift card to Wal-Mart (and it seemed to work!!).
So, we have almost 1000 employees.
54% have had the jab.
144 have had covid (including myself, and they are still pushing for me to get the vax.....)
By my estaments, the plant (hell, the state) should be close to herd immunity.

Interesting note:
The last three cases of covid at the plant were people who have had both shots a couple/few months ago.
I will trust my immune system over the jab.

And on my side of the border ,Nova Scotia, we have people screaming for full border closure again because you guys dropped all restrictions. This province is so ridiculous and it will take more than an election to fix it.
In all honesty, I feel like the full open everything up policy is just as much part of the big experiment as full lockdown. This is far from over.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Their recommending not to get the shot if you have already had Covid, I'd get an antibody test.

a reply to: AccessDenied

Check out the Living With Covid-19 document our Province released. People everywhere need to have autonomy over themselves if a person is scared wear a mask, if your still scared stay home, I'll take my chances.

originally posted by: enament
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Check out the Living With Covid-19 document our Province released. People everywhere need to have autonomy over themselves if a person is scared wear a mask, if your still scared stay home, I'll take my chances.

Nova Scotia hasn't even created a phase 5 because we have no clue who will be running the show. Hopefully someone who gets along better with Higgs and doesn't engage in a pissing contest.

" no going back to normal until exactly 75 % of the population is fully 2 shots vaccinated."

it's interesting that they can give such specific parameters for the measures taken against a threat for which all the official numbers are so nebulous and fluid.

originally posted by: enament
a reply to: Quadrivium

Their recommending not to get the shot if you have already had Covid, I'd get an antibody test.

Should have mentioned it.
I was hospitalized 3 weeks after I got over covid due to blood clots in my lungs (from covid).
They put me in the covid ICU until I had an antibody test. When it came back positive, I was placed in a step down unit and allowed visitors. Spent Christmas and part of the next weekend alone, in ICU.

ALSO, there are many mixed messages about getting the vax if you recovered from covid. Here in the states we hear that it doesn't matter if you have the antibodies, you still need the jab.

a reply to: AccessDenied

Is your Premier a Conservative or Liberal?

My big concern is I've notice anywhere they have done these mass vaccination campaigns 3 month after being administered there have been increases in hospitalization and the emergence of new variants.

Please post evidence.

a reply to: and14263

I did actually you just had to look at it, I stated in brackets our mask mandate began in September 2020 and immediately 1-2 weeks after our cases soared, if you want further proof other than what I posted its easy to find if you know how to use the internet.

I tried to post a graph from my photos but it will not allow me to insert it here.

originally posted by: enament
a reply to: and14263

I did actually you just had to look at it, I stated in brackets our mask mandate began in September 2020 and immediately 1-2 weeks after our cases soared, if you want further proof other than what I posted its easy to find if you know how to use the internet.

I tried to post a graph from my photos but it will not allow me to insert it here.

An anecdotal group of sentences is not respected evidence.

Here's some examples - UK have abolished masks, cases dropped - due to masks or due to vaccines? No evidence to make a decision.

In UK social distancing was maintained - cases rose - due to normal covid spread or due to Euro 2020 football which negatively effected social distancing.

You are saying your mask mandate made cases rise? Is this due to masks or due to people touching faces, having false sense of security, wearing fashion cloth instead of "x" type of mask?

Now MORE IMPORTANTLY You stated that vaccinations made the cases rise but now you are arguing your evidence for this was 'masks' making the cases rise?

I'm sorry, but you are just as confused as the worst of them.


Facts -
Covid isn't dangerous to most people.
Covid is dangerous to the economy.
There's no proof masks work. (Without detailed instruction on type and usage).
Vaccines make people less ill (therefore they aren't really a vaccine).
Vaccines don't stop the spread.
Vaccine companies are making good money from shares rising.
Extreme socialist government advisors are using this as a regulatory push (you may call this a power grab).

Main fact - people have gone utterly stupid and have lost all common sense and use hyperbole to push bollocks. And can no longer analyze - they stupidly see things as black or white - either covid FALSE or covid REAL.

Sad.

originally posted by: enament
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Is your Premier a Conservative or Liberal?

Liberal

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LOL it figures.

a reply to: and14263

Whatever the case this is thread drift and not the heart of the conversation, if you want to make a thread about it go ahead. I'm merely making observational opinion based of many many graphs I have see about the times the mask mandates were implemented with cases rising. ( before the MRNA gene therapy )

Also I am trained to wear respirators and any industrial hygienist will tell you its not proper PPE in any case, at best those masks which also say they aren't for viruses are only a mere 3-2 % effective IF worn correctly and proper handling techniques are implemented.

Good luck with your thread.

a reply to: enament

Actually, here in the US, propaganda says that even if you have been infected you must still get the vaccine. Here's the CDC on that: www.cdc.gov...

"Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected."