Terrance Mckenna on the UFO phenomena

One of the great thinkers of our lifetime. This is something along the lines of JV and the Invisible college. I think this talk started a drift away from nuts and bolts of UFOs to the mental environment and consciousness. I enjoy his perspective and hope the board will , as well.

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from my point of knowledge, all four views have a basis of validity about ET interaction. This also makes it all the more confusing for the masses and which will take an evolutionary epic and adaptions to become apparent. .

a reply to: play4keeps

I think this talk started a drift away from nuts and bolts of UFOs to the mental environment and consciousness.

You mean it is better to go away from the nuts and bolts,,, to just fall into the arms of mental fabrications, and filthy consciousness?

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: play4keeps

I think this talk started a drift away from nuts and bolts of UFOs to the mental environment and consciousness.

You mean it is better to go away from the nuts and bolts,,, to just fall into the arms of mental fabrications, and filthy consciousness?

Amazing how these “mental fabrications” produce complexities that none of our minds understand; and millions have the same type of experiences.

Dig deeper young padawan.

A friend of mine had an audio recording of an Art Bell show from long ago that featured a sort of "round table" discussion on UFOs. (I think it was Art Bell, anyhoo).
It was cool in that it had McKenna, Vallee, Stanton Friedman, John Keel, some military guys, and a Bible scholar.
It made made me realize that while some of the craft might be physical machines (per Friedman), others were the product of some advanced, non-human intelligence that was messing with us. (per McKenna, Vallee and Keel)
McKenna was an absolute genius imo.

a reply to: ColeYounger

Wow, what a lineup, I'd truly like to see that. If there's any way you can remember where you saw it please let me know.

originally posted by: wtbengineer
a reply to: ColeYounger

Wow, what a lineup, I'd truly like to see that. If there's any way you can remember where you saw it please let me know.

I will look for it. I have a computer with gigabytes of old stuff that I never deleted, so it's probably on there. I'm pretty sure I got the file from my buddy (on an old flash drive). There was also a UFO discussion that was aired on TV (probably The History Channel) in the late 90s. It was OK, but not nearly as good as the one with McKenna and Vallee.

a reply to: play4keeps

Its all true, the governments of our world have been reverse engineering tech from that dimension for a long time, its been happening for 10000 years.

There are backdoors and easter eggs all over the planet so that anyone has the option to seek portals that go beyond our realm.

a reply to: ColeYounger
Wonderful, that's all I can ask! Good luck. I think I've seen all the old History Channel stuff on UFOs, I can't watch it anymore. All the same info over and over. I'd love to see McKenna and Vallee on the same stage. And Keel is a bonus.
I know I've heard McKenna talk about UFOs some, but mostly just kind of interjections in a talk about another subject. I didn't know he really put any effort into the UFO subject at all.

a reply to: play4keeps

Terrance McKenna?

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I've come to believe that yes that they are on planets but the ones we are seeing have been here for a long long time though, we aren't really anything to them, we are just too common, our habitat is here and they just come and go as we do to various parts of the world with all sorts of species beneath us. They know better than to go long-term on the surface among other things. But they do have so sort of hub here, I think probably beneath the ocean or in a large deep underground area. I would think though they can travel in the 4th dimension or another unknown mean so we don't always see them even with infrared, but they are there beyond our perception's capabilities. I think a lot of the time when they do go back forth is why we see them because they don't travel the same in the atmosphere, they leave from whatever support they have here that we would be able to see but probably in infrared and then use your explosions 2.0 and such.
Pretty sure the navy has found the area and that is what the tictac and such is all about, the guys taking that footage were being investigated after whatever they did was detected if you ask me and apparently, the tictac was the least compelling of what they got for footage.

I think this talk started a drift away from nuts and bolts of UFOs to the mental environment and consciousness.

Consciousness may be the building block of reality itself.Whitley Strieber talked about something called the "Tripwire Hypothesis".

He said that there is a classified four page UFO document written by legendary physicist John von Neumann that talks about this.Gen. Arthur Exon told him that von Neumann was part of the UFO Control Group.

In his paper Von Neumann was of the opinion that the "aliens" or whatever they are,have a hard time getting through and into our reality.That our general disbelief in aliens acts as a wall they cannot scale without expending enormous resources in energy.He speculated that there could be some sort of "tripwire",something that we might do inadvertenly,or something that they might be trying to get us to do that would enable them to come pouring through.

Von Neumann thought that official recognition might be that tripwire,one that opens a door that can never be closed again.In other words if the government admitted that the UFOs are real,it might create in enough minds the assumption that they were real,to enable Them to come pouring through into our reality.Kinda scary stuff.This mind over matter/reality stuff might be one of the reasons for the secrecy.

originally posted by: Tinel
to enable Them to come pouring through into our reality.Kinda scary stuff.

OT and I can't recall the book but the story was along the lines of an interdimensional window appearing in someone's back yard where an alien family could be seen playing and generally being friendly. A force field of sorts surrounded it and the home owner took to throwing ping pong balls at it.

On one occasion a ball slipped through the field, from memory I think the aliens played with it and when this was realised a volunteer was found to try get through the shield. When they did they were immediately set upon by the aliens and stripped to the bone and at this point further bubbles started appearing around the rest of the world.

Nice scary story.

a reply to: play4keeps

Thanks for posting the link. The speech is thought provoking and well reasoned. But, I wonder if he'd give the same speech today as back then. The part that I have a hard time with is believing that the UFO phenomenon is related to consciousness or manifestations of our senses. We have images captured by silicon sensors, radar reflections, buoys, as well as eye witnesses that correlate all of it. Would he still believe that Karl Jung and the collective unconscious still applies? How does the manifestation of a UFO counter-balance our technological advancements and for what purpose? I find it easier to accept that the universe is a big place and we don't know a lot about it. And that there have to be other beings that cohabit this universe and/or solar system. It would be an awful waste of space if this were not true. Introspection is good, but I think you will find different answers with that. And ultimately not lead to the kinds of things that are physical. Since he mentions Jacques Vallee in the talk, I wonder if Jacques is modifying his thoughts on the subject given some of the government revelations and data we have today? The control system is an interesting way to look at the problem that we have no idea what they are up to. Hackers use similar abstraction for figure out how to take control of a buggy program. But if you have the source code, that abstraction isn't needed. And until we figure out their agenda, then the control system is a useful way to look at it.

a reply to: inert

good post. Several things are happening that make a construct of 4d reality that can play tricks on the way our brain is designed. We are akin to fish in the bowl, albeit very smart fish and of developing awareness

the issue is there is space time dilation as part of the technological superiority of the EBE and the telepathic let’s call it an enhancement that allows much more than Homo sap. The enhancement combined with technological awareness allows an entity that can manifest and manipulate dimensions higher than four. But you are essentially correct , from my understanding: there has to be accepted physical evidence of interactions and not just contact by psilocybin or '___'.

I think this:

TM would recognize manipulation of a metaphysical truth that involves science as yet unknown and technology that is advanced and advantageous. but what he would not accept is mistaking the phenomena as witchcraft, demons, or magical delusions. He saw the mind as a transceiver and tuning it with an adjunct would allow accessibility to these higher dimensions of which a physical plane is only a part of. I also suspect the Marshall writings pertaining to the “allies of Humanity “ is essentially accurate and that contact in a massive and undeniable way is still beyond our mental environment. Until that is further developed, our species and civilization is being essentially susceptible to potentially negative and destructive consequences from interaction in a physical sense.

a reply to: play4keeps

I think the guy meant that you need to help the brain (not the mind) somehow to increase its capability to perceive aspects of reality that are not prone to conscious processing, and this (he proposed) can be achieved by ingesting psylocibin, ayahuasca, MDMA, '___', '___', and derivatives. Only then, he argued, your brain could enter into the correct mindset to perceive hidden realms .

The inclusion of other life forms or aliens was just forced unto him because, you see, aliens are part of the cultural paradigm of those days.

However, administering MDMA, '___', 2CB, '___'-25, and other chems to a human does not allow him to communicate with a jelly fish or an octopus. It probably makes of him a better being, but this is just because he is mesmerized by the neural fireworks of an overwhelming visual and sonic experience he goes through via the chems. Once the effect is over, he recovers his biological condition: a cruel predator who lacks empathy, not just for other beings, but even for those of his own species.

Humans are caged inside a predator's biology. Nothing you do would turn them into 'angelic beings', much as you cannot tame a shark. The question here is not about space-time manipulation: it is about stopping manipulating anything.

a reply to: Direne
I got news for you, bud. We are in the midst of an ET genetics engineering program that has been reworking that primate brain for about 200k years. Reproduction (hormonal drive)is involved with a vast majority of our decisions in the physical plane and I wonder how that is being played out goal in a metaphysical sense (the rebirth of conscious souls seems to be the business of the universe as a growing learning system).

regarding space time manipulation, I beg to differ . We live our lives in an illusion of time and at a frame rate of perception. I think other species or consciousness creations sufficiently aware recognize the problem of lesser advanced species is that knowledge has to be continuous in the reproductive cycle. All information and growth has a limited window in time on a physical plane. I also think what TM and our psychonauts are taping is an entropy field of information that connects all points of space and time that is not accessible in normal waking consciousness. Anyway , this is conjecture and sometimes science is the last to know what is real but ultimately, our mind determines what’s truthful and reproducible

a reply to: ColeYounger

What a group! I almost got goosebumps, but figured I would probably never hear that roundtable in my lifetime.

I found the itinerary for that symposium, but cannot find any video or audio.

And I agree. Having Vallee and McKenna together would be awesome.

Link here:

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a reply to: play4keeps

We are in the midst of an ET genetics engineering program that has been reworking that primate brain for about 200k years

Uh oh! That means ETs' knowledge about genetics engineering sucks, judging by the more than poor results they've got so far. It is really difficult to tell the difference between a chimp and a human most of the time.

our mind determines what’s truthful and reproducible

You certainly mean your mind determines what is truthful and reproducible for just you . The rest of the species on this planet do not give a damn about what a human finds truthful or false, much as you don't care about what other species have to say about your insistence on modifying the environment to best suit you, instead of doing what all other species do: to adapt themselves to the environment.

Fortunately, whatever is true or false is totally independent on whether there are life forms or not. Two plus two is four, even if there are no mathematicians around. Apples on Earth fall according to a law, regardless of whether humans exist or not. I think consciousness is overvalued.

a reply to: Direne

'day Direne. A couple of your comments caught my eye.

You mean it is better to go away from the nuts and bolts,,, to just fall into the arms of mental fabrications, and filthy consciousness?

The word "filthy" implies "dirt", as in the dirt is not inherent to the consciousness. Might you elaborate?

a reply to: Direne

I think the guy meant that you need to help the brain (not the mind) somehow to increase its capability to perceive aspects of reality that are not prone to conscious processing, and this (he proposed) can be achieved by ingesting psylocibin, ayahuasca, MDMA, '___', '___', and derivatives. Only then, he argued, your brain could enter into the correct mindset to perceive hidden realms .

The inclusion of other life forms or aliens was just forced unto him because, you see, aliens are part of the cultural paradigm of those days.

However, administering MDMA, '___', 2CB, '___'-25, and other chems to a human does not allow him to communicate with a jelly fish or an octopus. It probably makes of him a better being, but this is just because he is mesmerized by the neural fireworks of an overwhelming visual and sonic experience he goes through via the chems. Once the effect is over, he recovers his biological condition: a cruel predator who lacks empathy, not just for other beings, but even for those of his own species.

Humans are caged inside a predator's biology. Nothing you do would turn them into 'angelic beings', much as you cannot tame a shark. The question here is not about space-time manipulation: it is about stopping manipulating anything.

"I think the guy meant that you need to help the brain (not the mind) somehow to increase its capability to perceive aspects of reality that are not prone to conscious processing,"

Where you differentiate between "mind" and "brain" suggests to me that "mind" is the greater of the two. For example if "mind" in it's totality is represented by a 360 degree circle, then the "brain" may be a 72 degree slice of the mind "pie". That leaves a 288 degree slice of mind pie "not prone to conscious processing".

To my thinking, we can attribute at least some of the 288 to the body's natural consciousness, the autonomic nervous systems, internal organs and so forth.

There is no need for "higher selves" or "souls" to account for perception of "hidden realms". The "hidden realms" would perhaps not be hidden to the internal organs.

Generally, folks attribute consciousness outside of conscious processing as "higher", whereas my suggestion is the organs fit this description. The "higher" perception also generally attributed to a "third eye" and "chakrum". Whereas my suggestion is the whole body is an "eye" and perception can be achieved through using the whole body.

My mention of the "third eye" brings to my mind the reference to "filthy" consciousness. For example in cases where there is a foreign "eye" overlaying the "third eye". So too the collective consciousnesses within the gastro-intestinal tract. Polio for instance forming a "worm-like" colony in the gastro-intestinal tract and polio's partial invasion of the nervous systems. Basically the installation of non standard intelligence in the human body.

Humans are caged inside a predator's biology.

The avatar principal?