People jabbed with PLACEBOS in vaccine trials - same privileges as ‘fully’ vaxxed, UK minister

This proves that mandatory vaccination is all about power & control and not about health. Do you really believe that the people in positions of power in the U.K. are any different from the people in power in the U.S. It will be as always... make it happen for the people you deem worthy, or in Zahawi's words... "I will take it offline to look at her constituents’ case to make sure that that happens for them".

It's all in who you know...

People jabbed with PLACEBOS during vaccine trials will have same privileges as those who are ‘fully’ vaxxed, UK minister says

vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi touted the country’s controversial NHS Covid Pass as having an “important role to play in slowing the spread of the virus,” and urged certain businesses and large venues to adopt the domestic health certificate in order to “keep their clients or their customers safe”.

... But it seems the urgent need to methodically document people’s vaccination status, and use this private medical information to grant certain privileges, contains at least one loophole: individuals who have participated in vaccine trials will be viewed as “fully vaccinated” whether they received a placebo or an actual shot, Zahawi said.

Nadhim Zahawi, Minister for Covid Vaccine Deployment, made the statements during a comment / question & answer after his statement to the House of Commons on the pandemic, moving to step 4 on the road map, the NHS covid pass and vaccination as a condition of entry. Here's the link:

I am really grateful to the hon. Member for that excellent question, and I am grateful for her comments about our Friday morning meetings. Her constituents can rest assured that those who are in clinical trials, including the Novavax trial, will have their data on the NHS covid app as being fully vaccinated, whether they are receiving the placebo or the vaccine, across all trials. That is happening. I will take it offline to look at her constituents’ case to make sure that that happens for them, because I am assured that the system already recognises that.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

It’s good in that they are honoring the control group which is necessary for the experiment. Unlike Pfizer who is already corrupting the study design by giving shots to those from the placebo group.

It’s bad in that it shows the farcical nature of the entire scenario

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

that mandatory vaccination is all about power & control and not about health

It does no such thing, and you are really stretching to reach that non conclusion.

Many of these trials are confidential, and maybe even double blind. So keeping the integrity of the trial is important as is protecting the identity of the participants.

The people issuing the passports aren't cleared to see trial information, so they must treat trial participants as ordinary people and issue a passport without discrimination.

Besides, this is the tories, the party of small government and light regulation. They don't want to control people, it's a bad look with their base. These passports are being forced on them. They didn't even want to lock down, remember.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman
You can't exclude the people who have received placebos, because that involves telling them they have received placebos. Surely that is the point of placebos, that people don't know.

a reply to: AaarghZombies
a reply to: DISRAELI

Are you saying that it's ok if government officials give people who are not vaccinated a COVID pass?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Iamonlyhuman
You can't exclude the people who have received placebos, because that involves telling them they have received placebos. Surely that is the point of placebos, that people don't know.

Nobody is arguing the placebo premise, but the point is if it's for the health and safety of the people then you just gave them a fake bullet proof jacket and told them they'd be protected. When in reality they are not. That's messed up - if you believe the vaccine saves lives.

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Iamonlyhuman
You can't exclude the people who have received placebos, because that involves telling them they have received placebos. Surely that is the point of placebos, that people don't know.

Nobody is arguing the placebo premise, but the point is if it's for the health and safety of the people then you just gave them a fake bullet proof jacket and told them they'd be protected. When in reality they are not. That's messed up - if you believe the vaccine saves lives.

Not only that but, you're also telling the people around them in shops, etc. that THEY are protected too!

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

that mandatory vaccination is all about power & control and not about health

Many of these trials are confidential, and maybe even double blind. So keeping the integrity of the trial is important as is protecting the identity of the participants.

The people issuing the passports aren't cleared to see trial information, so they must treat trial participants as ordinary people and issue a passport without discrimination.

LOL

So the people issuing passports aren't cleared for trail information, their medical information?

they must treat them with dignity and respect

what about those who dont need the shot ? like 90% of the world ?

Why am I imagining alternating Monty Python theme and Benny Hill chase music while reading this thread?

Yes, this makes the passports totally useless for medical protection purposes.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

that mandatory vaccination is all about power & control and not about health

It does no such thing, and you are really stretching to reach that non conclusion.

Many of these trials are confidential, and maybe even double blind. So keeping the integrity of the trial is important as is protecting the identity of the participants.

The people issuing the passports aren't cleared to see trial information, so they must treat trial participants as ordinary people and issue a passport without discrimination.

Besides, this is the tories, the party of small government and light regulation. They don't want to control people, it's a bad look with their base. These passports are being forced on them. They didn't even want to lock down, remember.

How many times do you have to be told about the Tories NOT being about small government and light regulation.
They are not the Republicans but they are like some Rinos only Cinos,barely a conservative in them.
Check what they've pulled over the last 11 years,gay marriage,Maybot trying to scupper Brexit and of course the lovely coronavirus act.
They are conservative in name only and getting further left every day.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

Sounds to me more like they're setting the stage for an explanation why vaccinated people are spreading the virus and to give some vague justification to more lockdowns.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

It’s good in that they are honoring the control group which is necessary for the experiment. Unlike Pfizer who is already corrupting the study design by giving shots to those from the placebo group.

It’s bad in that it shows the farcical nature of the entire scenario

Does it? They need to act exactly the same with the same exposure rate as the vaccinated group or the study is worthless. Not sure why this is an issue its common sense. If they were to restrict the ones who got a placebo they lower their risk factor making the study useless.

a reply to: dragonridr

The premise is corrupt from the start.

The question shouldn’t be whether people who are placebo controls should be able to get a vax port.

There should be no vax ports to begin.

The farce is that they won’t allow those with antibodies to travel freely but will allow placebo controls to.

One has immunity. One doesn’t. Both are controls.

The one who participated in the study but may or may not have immunity is allowed freedom.

The one who didn’t participate in the current study by risking their life taking an experimental jab is locked down.

Ultimately all of you who support these draconian restrictions can suck it. How dare you try and tell me what I can do with my body. And don’t even try and tell me i can refuse, but then can’t participate in your society.

a reply to: zardust

Its your choice your not being forced to do anything. Just about everything humans do require participation the concept is not new. we have driver's licenses we have certifications, we have to prove all the time we graduated from school.

Now having said that I don't think having a virus shot should matter but ultimately that is up to your government. Here in the United States masks are gone at least for now and no one is required to prove anything. And a reality it won't happen because ultimately a lot of States are willing to tell the feds to screw off. I'm watching more and more as states are taking back power. They have even gone to taking over border security.

a reply to: dragonridr

No it’s not the same as a drivers license. I can take other forms of transport.

If I get the jab and get myocarditis well I’m #ed.

There is no going back from getting these shots. Your immune system is trashed for life, which may not be very long. ADE is coming soon. Myocarditis is the canary in The coal mine.

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: dragonridr

No it’s not the same as a drivers license. I can take other forms of transport.

If I get the jab and get myocarditis well I’m #ed.

There is no going back from getting these shots. Your immune system is trashed for life, which may not be very long. ADE is coming soon. Myocarditis is the canary in The coal mine.

No it's not try not to be so melodramatic. Where you aware mos medications can cause myocarditis? Did you know birth control does? This inflammation is caused by your body reacting to a foreign substance. Some people's bodies don't care what that substance is could even be allergies. Yes you can have an allergy and it can occur luckily its temporary in over 99 percent and easily treated with medications.

a reply to: dragonridr

Listen. Birth control is required in communist countries and dystopian novels.

Your logic keeps getting worse and worse. The chances of a severe outcome from covid are less than 1%.

No medication is required to participate in society.

Melodrama. # off. You totalitarian twat. How’s that for melodrama. You brown shirt POS.

It’s people like you who will gladly participate in apartheid and genocide. The rhetoric is already there. Blaming antivaxxers for all the problems. They are killing people. They are vermin.

And useful tools such as yourself will say oh you’re being dramatic that’s not what the nazis did. All while you’re advocating for papers please.

Excuse me but I’m so over anyone who even hints at acceptance.

originally posted by: Iamonlyhuman
This proves that mandatory vaccination is all about power & control and not about health. Do you really believe that the people in positions of power in the U.K. are any different from the people in power in the U.S. It will be as always... make it happen for the people you deem worthy, or in Zahawi's words... "I will take it offline to look at her constituents’ case to make sure that that happens for them".

It's all in who you know...

People jabbed with PLACEBOS during vaccine trials will have same privileges as those who are ‘fully’ vaxxed, UK minister says

vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi touted the country’s controversial NHS Covid Pass as having an “important role to play in slowing the spread of the virus,” and urged certain businesses and large venues to adopt the domestic health certificate in order to “keep their clients or their customers safe”.

... But it seems the urgent need to methodically document people’s vaccination status, and use this private medical information to grant certain privileges, contains at least one loophole: individuals who have participated in vaccine trials will be viewed as “fully vaccinated” whether they received a placebo or an actual shot, Zahawi said.

Nadhim Zahawi, Minister for Covid Vaccine Deployment, made the statements during a comment / question & answer after his statement to the House of Commons on the pandemic, moving to step 4 on the road map, the NHS covid pass and vaccination as a condition of entry. Here's the link:

I am really grateful to the hon. Member for that excellent question, and I am grateful for her comments about our Friday morning meetings. Her constituents can rest assured that those who are in clinical trials, including the Novavax trial, will have their data on the NHS covid app as being fully vaccinated, whether they are receiving the placebo or the vaccine, across all trials. That is happening. I will take it offline to look at her constituents’ case to make sure that that happens for them, because I am assured that the system already recognises that.

Riddle me this. If the vaccine works, why are they administering placebos? Answer: It is not a vaccine, it is the largest experimental human drug trial in the history of the world and everyone who is participating is a test subject and they are taking this experimental jab voluntarily. People really are stupid.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

Mr Placebo - "Come on family, now we're all vaxxed it's safe to go see granny in the care home. It's been so long since we've seen her and now we're safe to give her a big hug and kiss:.

87 deaths later......

Mr Placebo - "Those damned anti -vaxxers!"

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

It makes sense to me why they would do that.

I suppose it's also good that they still have unblinded trials going on. The trials here in the US were all unblinded because of "ethical concerns" so they unblinded everyone and gave all the placebo people the real vax before the study was ever completed.

"follow the science," they tell us.