crash retrievals

people speak of the wilson davis info about ufo programs dealing with the govt and private sector but there has been alot of interesting talk from the very beginning, first off either you believe this info or you dont, theres no proof anywhere just evidentiary value, it comes down to whats being said and whos saying it and whether you believe them or not, its not what you think but what you know, tell us what you know

anyhow this is why history matters, there has been alot of interesting things said in the past, now whether its to be believed or not is up to you, i just want to bring this to peoples attention because we all know how lazy people are or new people were born at a later time line than us older folk, and btw i totally believe the wilson davis documents, things leak that werent meant for the public to see but in this case i think the public has the right to know theres an alien presence on earth

1. robert sarbacher was an industry man and in 1950 he was invited to wright patterson air base to take part in a discussion according to him that had to do with the recovery of a flying sarcer and its occupants, he didnt attend the meetings due to his need to run his company but he did have the briefings by his staff and read many documents at the facility and he said the material was light weight but as strong as you can imagine, the life forms were similar to insects in terms of thin and light weight and im thinking they had those big black eyes too, he also stated he doesnt know why they were keeping it such a secret, i think he said there was an mj12 commitee early on which makes sense because today we call them task forces

2. late 80s bob oechsler called admiral bobby inman who was also former cia director at the time looking for help in the form of govt insiders who had ufo info, inman gave him some names but at the end of the call oechler asked would any of the recovered vehicles ever become available for tecnilogical research outside of the military? inman said 10 years ago the answer wouldve been no but as time has passed they might be more open to it

3. early 60s supposedly the fbi was listening in on marilyn monroe a famous movie actress of the day who had a fling with the kennedy brothers, supposedly president kennedy told her according to the bug that theres a secret base that houses things from outer space, i cant find the document but it wasnt talking about meterorites

4. early 70s another president supposedly shared ufo info with a famous tv actor mr jackie gleason, supposedly president nixon took gleason to homestead air base where wreckage and small alien bodies were housed and showed him

5. 1933 supposedly some document was found to have shown that under benito mussolinis govt in italy they recovered a flying saucer, where is that flying saucer today i wonder, it makes sense to me because italy seems to have a ufo base nearby with some aggressive aliens there

anyway these are some documented info and or recored info that seems to have a similar thread to it all, whether its true or not is entirely up to yall

question of the day has to do with the thought why does all this matter? why should we know that there is an alien presence on earth? isnt anybody interested in where do they originate and what is there purpose here? or is this all just one big ol balloon? i like the line in close encounters of the third kind where the guy said they were invited, you have millions of people from around the world drawn to this subject like flys to moths to the light, could we be drawn for a purpose and could that purpose be to guide humanity to our galactic neighbors? anyhow what do yall think

My question is; How many ET vehicles have crash landed on the most pristine planet in the universe?

These cats come from who knows how far and through the most hostile dangers of space travel just to crash?

When the human built aircraft have a better safety record than the galaxy traversing ET, that’s not a good sign for the tech gains we can expect.

ET says, “hop in and let me take you to our home.” Then as the door shuts you read “Pinto” or “Yugo” on the frame.

Also, heaven forbid these crashed vehicles are from DIFFERENT places/times. What are the odds different ET species are arriving to Earth at the same needle’s eye window of time just to crash?

Or, the SAME species sends multiple vehicles because the others crashed and didn’t report in and THEY crash too.

Humanity’s luck? These ETs are the equivalent to the Snoats brothers and they’re escapees that saucer jacked a model they couldn’t land.

If ET exists in our locale/time then my guess is there may be a single crash that took place and likely it was unmanned.

I’d prefer the grand arrival versus the clandestine “we are not to be detected but we keep getting Scooby Doo’d and crash where only governments recover the craft” scenarios.

Any ET observing/monitoring humans for more than a week that choose to partner up with “government” are beings that are behaving more/just like political humans….I’ll pass.

Maybe it’s my human cynicism but my expectations of an advanced species are greatly diminished if they can’t arrive without crashing.

Assuming that such extraterrestrials could manipulate gravitation as easily as we utilize electromagnetism, any crash would have to be the result of complete loss of onboard and auxiliary power and not of aerodynamic lift which would be useless in the near-total vacuum of space. Even still, given how atmospheric reentry essentially burns up anything less than the mass of a small house before impacting the ground, it would be highly unlikely that anything substantial could be recovered in the yet unlikely event of a crash. Reported crashes, if of authentic origin, are most likely caused by classified experimental aircraft not otherwise of alien origin. Additionally, these interstellar spacecraft needn't be operated by any living occupant or driver - given how we ourselves have begun using UAVs now that it is technologically possible to do so on a large scale- so recovery of ET bodies just adds another layer of improbability on top of another on top of another.

"Lets pretend to crash some of our crappier vehicles on Earth so that the hairless apes will study them and eventually come out of their low tech age.

Also, this indirect approach will be a soft way to tell them that they are not alone. With their current ego-based mentality, they would just resort to panic and fear mongering if we just landed and said hi.

We might as well throw in some of our worker androids in the craft so they understand that the craft is not from some other planetary tribe. But lets make sure the androids are physically small and weak as to not seem intimidating. In fact, lets make the androids about the same size as the children of the hairless apes."

a reply to: tjocksteffe

lol, that was really good.

Part 2
"Ugh, why have the hairless apes continued to bang sticks against our vehicles and kept them hidden from the wider community? We have tried to be more obvious with frequent active flights and signaling lights, but it looks like they keep ignoring us. The may be incapable of development. Lets put our space highway through their planet I guess."

What if aliens are the billionaires of other planets showing off what their money can buy!?!
a reply to: MDDoxs

Many people say if Aliens have the tech to be able to travel from their planet to Earth,they would not be at risk of crashing when they got here..

But it may be that they are not travelling in the conventional sense-they may be from another dimension,and the act of "hopping" into ours may put incredible strain on their tech and cause it to malfunction here after the hop and cause them to crash here.

They must have tech way ahead of ours-but think of our top tech-maybe the new stealth bomber or even a new cell phone-Just because that is our state of the art tech does not stop that tech from being damaged in an accident,or just during normal use.

It may be the same with alien tech.

originally posted by: PilSungMtnMan
My question is; How many ET vehicles have crash landed on the most pristine planet in the universe?

These cats come from who knows how far and through the most hostile dangers of space travel just to crash?

When the human built aircraft have a better safety record than the galaxy traversing ET, that’s not a good sign for the tech gains we can expect.

ET says, “hop in and let me take you to our home.” Then as the door shuts you read “Pinto” or “Yugo” on the frame.

Also, heaven forbid these crashed vehicles are from DIFFERENT places/times. What are the odds different ET species are arriving to Earth at the same needle’s eye window of time just to crash?

Or, the SAME species sends multiple vehicles because the others crashed and didn’t report in and THEY crash too.

Humanity’s luck? These ETs are the equivalent to the Snoats brothers and they’re escapees that saucer jacked a model they couldn’t land.

If ET exists in our locale/time then my guess is there may be a single crash that took place and likely it was unmanned.

I’d prefer the grand arrival versus the clandestine “we are not to be detected but we keep getting Scooby Doo’d and crash where only governments recover the craft” scenarios.

Any ET observing/monitoring humans for more than a week that choose to partner up with “government” are beings that are behaving more/just like political humans….I’ll pass.

Maybe it’s my human cynicism but my expectations of an advanced species are greatly diminished if they can’t arrive without crashing.

If (BIG IF) you believe what Steven Greer says, the vehicles are not so much crashing as being brought down by our military. He's stated that, in recent years, directed energy weapons have been used against the craft. The rumor I've heard about Roswell is that a form of radar was used in the area the craft were operating, and this in some way disrupted the guidance system of the craft, resulting in a crash.

This is where skepticism with Greer's narrative comes in, and you have articulated all of the key points to question it (i.e. how could technology and propulsion/navigation systems advanced enough to permit interstellar travel be foiled by primitive EM jamming and very primitive energy "weapons"?). The perils of space travel, radiation, huge gravity fluxes, micro-debris and phenomenon we likely don't even understand, would necessitate a level of engineering for successful travel that we can only hypothesize about.

There are those that feel that the UFO issue is one giant psy-op, and not particularly managed by our governments (only in a capacity to conceal what is happening). The people that don't subscribe to Greer's "benevolent visitors" theory feel that the craft are ALLOWED to be captured; that there is some agenda in the encounters beyond our ken, and permitting us to have physical access to the material is an inscrutable aspect of the agenda.

One of my favorite broadcasts of Art Bell involved the anonymous "Area 51 insider" who allegedly smuggled out video from the facility. The legitimacy of the video and story of the insider was later called into question (right here on ATS there were debates about the insider's credibility). One of the points the insider was very emphatic on, and you have to weigh this opinion in context of whether you believe he was a fraud or a legitimate whistleblower, is that the "visitors" were in now way shape or form Extra Terrestrials, that they were "something else" (extra-dimensional? spiritual?), and that all of the feigned weakness, crashes, allowing technology to be recovered/captured, was a show, a ruse, a deception meant to fool us, for some unknown reason.

originally posted by: tjocksteffe
"Lets pretend to crash some of our crappier vehicles on Earth so that the hairless apes will study them and eventually come out of their low tech age.

Also, this indirect approach will be a soft way to tell them that they are not alone. With their current ego-based mentality, they would just resort to panic and fear mongering if we just landed and said hi.

We might as well throw in some of our worker androids in the craft so they understand that the craft is not from some other planetary tribe. But lets make sure the androids are physically small and weak as to not seem intimidating. In fact, lets make the androids about the same size as the children of the hairless apes."

^^^ this may be closer to the truth than many are prepared to accept.

Clifford Stone used to be a member here.
Maybe talking to him may give you some insights, or not.

originally posted by: UKWO1Phot
Clifford Stone used to be a member here.
Maybe talking to him may give you some insights, or not.

Clifford Stone is dead…….

www.ballardfuneralhome.com...

Try using a Ouji Board

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Bummer. When I was talking to him a few years ago he was quite ill but I didn't know he died. RIP.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened
You can walk around with the most modern gun till someone comes behind you and clubs you to death. You're still dead but killed with a stone age weapon. Some good the modern weapon did you. Donnot put down old tech to do the job.

By the way has anyone heard this disclosure thing that was supposed to end the ET debate? I've seen and heard nothing, thanks Elizondo.

a reply to: saskwatch

If, in fact, our govt has in their possession ET materials, the quickest way to get it into public scientific hands is to change the legislation as it pertains to National Security. We have to all agree, to an extent, that the material recovered is not a threat to humanity.

So, I ask you, how would you start that process?

originally posted by: UKWO1Phot
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Bummer. When I was talking to him a few years ago he was quite ill but I didn't know he died. RIP.

Yeah I'm pretty bummed too. I had no idea. He was an honorable man. On and off the field.

originally posted by: saskwatch
people speak of the wilson davis info about ufo programs dealing with the govt and private sector but there has been alot of interesting talk from the very beginning, first off either you believe this info or you dont, theres no proof anywhere just evidentiary value, it comes down to whats being said and whos saying it and whether you believe them or not, its not what you think but what you know, tell us what you know

There is a third option to "believe or don't believe."

An option you can see John Greenewald apply to the Davis-Wilson memo. It's gathering the available evidence and applying critical thinking skills. Whether his theory is correct or not, his approach shows some pretty good critical thinking:

The “Admiral Wilson Leak” – “Core Secrets” Document – An Analysis

Another thing to remember is that during the cold war, there was a lot of interest by the US in recovering any crashed soviet spacecraft with advanced technology. Apparently it would have been a violation of international agreements if the US recovered a soviet spacecraft and didn't return it to the soviets so I wouldn't put it past the intelligence community to use a cover story of "UFOs" or aliens to divert attention from what was actually recovered.

John Greenewald just released a FOIA'd fragology report showing a formerly highly confidential document about objects from space that NASA obtained.

Space Object Recovery and Analysis Records


So not only have formerly confidential NASA records been disclosed about recovered objects from space, but according to Oberg the DOD had a similar program globally to collect crashed space debris all over the world, which didn't involve NASA:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: JimOberg

Good stuff, NASA was sent all sorts of junk people found thinking they were satellites or meteorites [usually were meteo-wrongs]. The DoD also had an active worldwide surreptitious retrieval operation for any such falls, which AFAIK didn't involve NASA anywhere. The Russian-origin stuff that the public sent to NASA was usually identified because the components were built to even metric measurements. Andrew ["Drew"] Potter was the guy in charge in the 1980s, he had the stuff piled all around his office in the Planetary Science building.

So no doubt there are legitimate stories of retrieval of crashed debris from craft from outer space, but so far I've seen no verifiable evidence that any of them had a non-earthly origin initially. There have been and always will be people embellishing stories to make them sound like they had alien sources. Some people in intelligence might even want to spread those "alien" stories so the soviets wouldn't know that some of their technology had been recovered, so the US wouldn't have to give it back to them. They have used "UFOs" for other cover stories to hide what was really going on.

There has really been no solid positive proof presented by anybody to the public than any flying saucer has actually crashed on Earth.

However, putting on my speculation hat, I can see where they might crash if the pilot and the craft somehow lost their psychic link that keeps the whole thing tethered to our reality (at least for a little while). It may be a matter of balancing the virtual and conceptual aspects the craft with the need for something / someone to visualize and actualize it within our real, physical reality.