New Data Leaked from NHS Reveals Misleading COVID Hospitalization Claims

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According to "The Telegraph," (not used due to ridiculous paywall), sourced by fr24news:

The breakdown of daily hospital diagnoses of Covid shows that out of more than 780 hospitalizations dated last Thursday, 44% concerned people who tested positive in the 14 days before entering hospital.
Another 43% were done within two days of admission, including 13% in the days and weeks after, including those likely to have caught the virus in hospital.

The report goes on to point out that

'When people hear about hospitalizations with Covid, they assume Covid is the probable cause, but this data shows something entirely different – this is Covid being detected after tests have it ... Counting all the patients who test positive as Covid hospitalizations is inevitably misleading and gives a false picture of the continued impact of the virus on health. '

They admit that some hospitalizations may be due to COVID, but no one can truly know given the lack of transparency of data. The new statistics distort the portrayal of COVID's impact. At a time when they're ramping up vaccination efforts, which is also resulting in massive protests, it is revealed that they may be purposely fudging the data to present a picture of a worsening scenario.

What is so tragic about all of this is that the next time a real pandemic hits the globe, no one is going to trust these people. You'd think our reporting, statistics, and healthcare systems across the globe would've gotten better post-SARS/MERS/Ebola, but nope -- if anything, it has gotten worse.

Maybe -- just maybe -- it has gotten worse on purpose. This is yet another reason for people not to believe "the experts" who cry about the successes of the jab. Why would people trust them at this point? I can't think of a good reason. Can anyone?

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originally posted by: BatSars
www.fr24news.com...

According to "The Telegraph," (not used due to ridiculous paywall), sourced by fr24news:

The breakdown of daily hospital diagnoses of Covid shows that out of more than 780 hospitalizations dated last Thursday, 44% concerned people who tested positive in the 14 days before entering hospital.
Another 43% were done within two days of admission, including 13% in the days and weeks after, including those likely to have caught the virus in hospital.

The report goes on to point out that

'When people hear about hospitalizations with Covid, they assume Covid is the probable cause, but this data shows something entirely different – this is Covid being detected after tests have it ... Counting all the patients who test positive as Covid hospitalizations is inevitably misleading and gives a false picture of the continued impact of the virus on health. '

They admit that some hospitalizations may be due to COVID, but no one can truly know given the lack of transparency of data. The new statistics distort the portrayal of COVID's impact. At a time when they're ramping up vaccination efforts, which is also resulting in massive protests, it is revealed that they may be purposely fudging the data to present a picture of a worsening scenario.

What is so tragic about all of this is that the next time a real pandemic hits the globe, no one is going to trust these people. You'd think our reporting, statistics, and healthcare systems across the globe would've gotten better post-SARS/MERS/Ebola, but nope -- if anything, it has gotten worse.

Maybe -- just maybe -- it has gotten worse on purpose. This is yet another reason for people not to believe "the experts" who cry about the successes of the jab. Why would people trust them at this point? I can't think of a good reason. Can anyone?

WaitWHAT?

Surely everyone knew this already?

It's hardly been a secret, it was explained enough on the nightly news not to mention during the government briefings.

Haven't you seen all of the relatives queuing up to say that their family members were admitted for other things and then got covid, or the newscasters examining that having covid at the time of death isn't the same as dying of covid.

Tucker Carl's on ranted about this nonstop for the first 6 months of lockdown.

originally posted by: Rekrul
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I don't understand. ? You mean to the Telegraph?

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Just in case you wanted to read the Telegraph's article without the paywall, here's the archive link archive.is...

originally posted by: Chalcedony
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Just in case you wanted to read the Telegraph's article without the paywall, here's the archive link archive.is...

Mwahahahaha!

Thank you, my good sir/ma'am.

My word.... this is exactly the reason we cant trust governments, ministries, health officials etc.

They tried the same thing last year by inflating casualties with people dying with Covid ad dying from Covid.

I got a feeling that the world wide numbers are inflated as well. Imagine how many dead who were paraded even though their cause of death wasnt covid..........

It doesn't actually give any numbers so it's not really possible to determine anything from this is there.

A PCR test in the UK is only used to determine if you have the virus.

If someone is ill and shows symptoms of covid 19 and needs to be in hospital then the PCR test will be done post admission.

I'll agree that any tests after more than 6 or 7 days should be discounted though


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originally posted by: flice
My word.... this is exactly the reason we cant trust governments, ministries, health officials etc.

They tried the same thing last year by inflating casualties with people dying with Covid ad dying from Covid.

I got a feeling that the world wide numbers are inflated as well. Imagine how many dead who were paraded even though their cause of death wasnt covid..........

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

This is public knowledge, the government told you this in plain English during the covid briefings. None of this has been hidden. You should already know this, nothing has changed, none of this is new information, none of this has been hidden from you. The government was up front about it from the start. Didn't you watch Fauci at all?

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Yes it’s like reporting people have died ‘with’ covid and adding it to the tally as opposed to they actually died ‘of’ covid.

What is so tragic about all of this is that the next time a real pandemic hits the globe, no one is going to trust these people. You'd think our reporting, statistics, and healthcare systems across the globe would've gotten better post-SARS/MERS/Ebola, but nope -- if anything, it has gotten worse.

Like the boy who cried wolf, maybe it’s been done on purpose buts this conflicts with the push for the ‘vaccine’ as far as I can tell. I mean surely they realise many will resist a dodgy cure for a nothing burger disease? Making it mandatory will only increase push back, maybe that’s the goal?

Whatever it is there is something dodgy going on in the background, yet to come into play.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
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Yes it’s like reporting people have died ‘with’ covid and adding it to the tally as opposed to they actually died ‘of’ covid.

What is so tragic about all of this is that the next time a real pandemic hits the globe, no one is going to trust these people. You'd think our reporting, statistics, and healthcare systems across the globe would've gotten better post-SARS/MERS/Ebola, but nope -- if anything, it has gotten worse.

Like the boy who cried wolf, maybe it’s been done on purpose buts this conflicts with the push for the ‘vaccine’ as far as I can tell. I mean surely they realise many will resist a dodgy cure for a nothing burger disease? Making it mandatory will only increase push back, maybe that’s the goal?

Whatever it is there is something dodgy going on in the background, yet to come into play.

Yes, it is total control of ones "use to be " freedom.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: flice
My word.... this is exactly the reason we cant trust governments, ministries, health officials etc.

They tried the same thing last year by inflating casualties with people dying with Covid ad dying from Covid.

I got a feeling that the world wide numbers are inflated as well. Imagine how many dead who were paraded even though their cause of death wasnt covid..........

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

This is public knowledge, the government told you this in plain English during the covid briefings. None of this has been hidden. You should already know this, nothing has changed, none of this is new information, none of this has been hidden from you. The government was up front about it from the start. Didn't you watch Fauci at all?

I think your being sarcastic but to be fair, in terms of the UK government they have been quite open about what they are doing, why, and how they derive the numbers.

What has grated me however is how the media, BBC, newspapers etc have distorted the facts - the big red on-screen graphics showing cases and daily 'Covid deaths' - which are actually deaths WITH covid, not FROM, from but that small detail is glossed over. I often get rebutted by people who usually say the same - 'Yeah tell that to the 150,000 people who have died!" - well that persons understanding of that number seems misguided. The public in general don't notice these massaging of numbers, and get quite rightly extremely scared at these big scary numbers of deaths and cases, that they are constantly bombarded with. They are being fed half-truths by the MSM, they are not lying but are (deliberately?) holding back key details in what the numbers actually mean. This really annoys me, and has caused so many people to freak out about this whole pandemic.

To me it seems like all the governments of the "free" world have been inflating figures,and including people who have died of other causes/had covid but died of something else.

There are 2 possible things going on here:

1-Everyone in all those governments are mathematical retards and should not be in their job if it involves anything to do with numbers.

2-There has been a secret,organised and concerted effort by world leaders to inflate the numbers of deaths due to covid.


I am guessing its number 2.
But why?

Is it just a money making scheme or is it all about forcing the public to submit to ever more control and ever less freedom?
Or both?Probably.

Yes, "hospitalized with" COVID is ambiguous. "Due to" or "from" COVID is different than "with", but it doesn't leave room for much deception that way.

If there are any corrections made that makes this distinction clear they will not be reported on in MSM or cited by officials but covered up and hidden.

If it's two then either there is some grand plot to enslave us all or covid 19 presents some as yet untold threat to us that requires the actions taken.


a reply to: Silcone Synapse

a reply to: BatSars

Let us not forget that in the US the CDC will not renew PCR testing for covid under EUA, so it begs the question what test was used then? Im starting to wonder if anyone has had covid.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: flice
My word.... this is exactly the reason we cant trust governments, ministries, health officials etc.

They tried the same thing last year by inflating casualties with people dying with Covid ad dying from Covid.

I got a feeling that the world wide numbers are inflated as well. Imagine how many dead who were paraded even though their cause of death wasnt covid..........

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

This is public knowledge, the government told you this in plain English during the covid briefings. None of this has been hidden. You should already know this, nothing has changed, none of this is new information, none of this has been hidden from you. The government was up front about it from the start. Didn't you watch Fauci at all?

This story is about the NHS in the UK. Fauci is a self-serving moron. You are only convincing yourself and the maybe 4 other members shilling on this board.

By shilling you mean not agreeing with you right?

Why not just say that instead of accusing people of shady things?


a reply to: drewlander

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: BatSars
www.fr24news.com...

According to "The Telegraph," (not used due to ridiculous paywall), sourced by fr24news:

The breakdown of daily hospital diagnoses of Covid shows that out of more than 780 hospitalizations dated last Thursday, 44% concerned people who tested positive in the 14 days before entering hospital.
Another 43% were done within two days of admission, including 13% in the days and weeks after, including those likely to have caught the virus in hospital.

The report goes on to point out that

'When people hear about hospitalizations with Covid, they assume Covid is the probable cause, but this data shows something entirely different – this is Covid being detected after tests have it ... Counting all the patients who test positive as Covid hospitalizations is inevitably misleading and gives a false picture of the continued impact of the virus on health. '

They admit that some hospitalizations may be due to COVID, but no one can truly know given the lack of transparency of data. The new statistics distort the portrayal of COVID's impact. At a time when they're ramping up vaccination efforts, which is also resulting in massive protests, it is revealed that they may be purposely fudging the data to present a picture of a worsening scenario.

What is so tragic about all of this is that the next time a real pandemic hits the globe, no one is going to trust these people. You'd think our reporting, statistics, and healthcare systems across the globe would've gotten better post-SARS/MERS/Ebola, but nope -- if anything, it has gotten worse.

Maybe -- just maybe -- it has gotten worse on purpose. This is yet another reason for people not to believe "the experts" who cry about the successes of the jab. Why would people trust them at this point? I can't think of a good reason. Can anyone?

WaitWHAT?

Surely everyone knew this already?

It's hardly been a secret, it was explained enough on the nightly news not to mention during the government briefings.

Haven't you seen all of the relatives queuing up to say that their family members were admitted for other things and then got covid, or the newscasters examining that having covid at the time of death isn't the same as dying of covid.

Tucker Carl's on ranted about this nonstop for the first 6 months of lockdown.

This is news to me. Please point me at a news source that calls out hospital acquired transmissions in the totals. COVID incubation is 2-14 days. Any person testing positive during day 3 of admission can't be assumed to have acquired it naturally from the environment. That's a big deal if it takes 30-40% off the top of hospitalizations.

They've been claiming the vaccine reduces severity, but what role is that hospitalization rate playing in their calculations on reduced severity? Are people with incidental positive COVID tests being calculated as hospital cases? These are people that potentially have no COVID symptoms.

You seem to think a little manipulation doesn't matter, like it goes away, but each manipulation gets more amplified the further removed it gets from the original data point. Those hospital numbers are being used in other calculations, which then manipulate that outcome, which you then feed back into the stream of fear you're trying to push on an ignorant public.

originally posted by: nonspecific

If it's two then either there is some grand plot to enslave us all or covid 19 presents some as yet untold threat to us that requires the actions taken.


a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I sadly do think there is a grand plot to enslave us(even more).
Its pretty much laid out in the great reset-which has been accelerated on the back of covid.

I do think the whole lockdown/track and trace/masks systems are not there just for covid-rather I think covid is a convienient excuse for them to get people used to massive societal restrictions.

The reason is that the leaders believe we are headed for a climate apocalypse which will trigger mass migrations in the 10s/100s of millions-enough to utterly destroy many countries.

They think that to be able to manage such a situation,the public will have to accept massive curtailing of personal freedoms.

So they are trying it out now,seeing how far and how hard we can be pushed and forced into submission.

Also-now they know who all the subversives are-the ones who didn't take the covid shot.
Those are the types they would love to flush out of the gene pool,and now they have them on a list.

You can already see the MSM(and even the US president) trying to make everyone hate the unvaccinated-if they can do that,its not that big a leap to start rounding them up and sending them of to "re education" camps,or just shooting them.

They are the enemy of the people right?
As bad as ISIS,those unvaccinated terrorists running around infecting everyone!

As usual I hope I am waaay of the mark.