Fatal Heart Inflammation Officially Recognized as Being Caused by Pfizer Vax

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The South Korean government has acknowledged for the first time a causal link between the Pfizer vaccine and a heart inflammation in a recipient that turned fatal.

As I've stated before, these "relationships" will come out in a drip-drip fashion. Despite TPTB having a list of problems they knew to look out for (while claiming there was no data that brought the list to fruition - just a "gut feeling," because of previous vaccines - see video below @2:33:39)



So far, every issue listed in the above list has been reported in VAERS, aside from the "Vaccine Enhanced Disease," and "Kawasaki's" but Kawasaki's is basically the exact same as MIS-C and MIS-A. It's so similar that doctors often argue about how to differentiate between the two. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Prior to this "official" recognition of death resulting from a side effect resulting from the vaccine, they merely added "warnings" with the qualifier that "this does not prove causation" yada yada.

Then we get into the ethics of this. There are KNOWN risks involved with the vaccine. Most appear to be fine, but many die, many suffer long-term issues from it, and many more suffer long-term, temporary issues from it. Given this, is it really ethical to demand someone take a vaccine that may be a roll of the dice for some people? Is that really okay?

It would be one thing if the side effects were all mild and temporary, but it's something else entirely to demand a person take something that may kill them, especially considering the fact that vaccinated people are still spreading disease, fully vaccinated or not.

At first, when this was an issue, they said "we must vaccinate to stop the spread," but when that proved itself false, they shifted to "but it reduces symptoms and severity," but when vaccinated people ended up in the hospital or dead from it, they then claim "yeah but they're all old and it could have been from something else or a complication of comorbidity" despite many of these same people dismissing comorbidity and age during the height of the pandemic.

Given all this, do you still believe it's ethical to force someone to get a vaccine and punish them for not doing it? And if an employer forces an employee to get it, shouldn't the family of that employee be allowed to sue the company for forcing the vaccine?

a reply to: BatSars

What are the early symptoms? My wife has been getting tired easier since making the stupid decision to be vaccinated in June. This morning during our walk, she could hardly talk...short of breath...tired.

Symptoms of myocarditis are very similar to symptoms of heart attack or heart failure.

Chest pain, rapid or abnormal heart rhythm, shortness of breath during rest or physical activity, retaining fluid, general fatigue, etc.

a reply to: carewemust

The risks associated with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are being severely downplayed by our health agencies. They are saying they are extremely rare, but their idea of rare is to only consider proven and accepted evidence of it happening, which can result in many thousands of dollars of testing on a patient to accomplish...then the cdc and FDA have to accept the results...which can take six months to review.

Knowing how these agencies work and how the heads of them do not want to be called wrong....I doubt if the true numbers of problems will ever get on the official records.

originally posted by: BatSars
It would be one thing if the side effects were all mild and temporary, but it's something else entirely to demand a person take something that may kill them, especially considering the fact that vaccinated people are still spreading disease, fully vaccinated or not.

They don't care.

You didn't actually think you were free, did you?

United States of America: Land of the Free-ish, home of the Naive. lol
a reply to: loam

originally posted by: BatSars
Symptoms of myocarditis are very similar to symptoms of heart attack or heart failure.

Chest pain, rapid or abnormal heart rhythm, shortness of breath during rest or physical activity, retaining fluid, general fatigue, etc.

a reply to: carewemust

That sucks. My wife should have listened to me!

A person who recovers from Covid-19 and then is pressured into being vaccinated, is playing with fire...short term and long term.

Need to start a thread on how much blame should organizations and employers who force people to be vaccinated, share with the individual who gave in to their pressure.

a reply to: carewemust

Has your wife normally been an active person and this activity not bothered her before?

The instances of heart inflammation seem to more often appear in men and in the age range under 30.

a reply to: BatSars

Saying that heart inflammation is a side effect of the vax is like saying concussion is a side effect of going to a bar.

Yes, some people will be punched in the face hard enough to concuss them during a bar fight, but 99.998% of people will just have a drink and then go home.

The risk of heart inflammation is microscopic. Something like 2 billion people have been vaxed and only a handful have had bad side effects at all. You stand more chance of being injured on your way to get vaxed than by the vax itself. You stand more chance of being injured at an anti vax rally than by the vax.

Just stop with the unnecessary fear.

I get it, you hate trump, but when you dump on his vaccine you cause real world problem for other people. Your doing harm to more than just his legacy.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I get it, you hate trump, but when you dump on his vaccine you cause real world problem for other people. Your doing harm to more than just his legacy.

Lol. I see what you did there. That was pretty cute.

a reply to: BatSars

Then we get into the ethics of this. There are KNOWN risks involved with the vaccine. Most appear to be fine, but many die, many suffer long-term issues from it, and many more suffer long-term, temporary issues from it. Given this, is it really ethical to demand someone take a vaccine that may be a roll of the dice for some people? Is that really okay?

It is never okay for anyone to tell others what to do. Ever.

Demanding anything of others that puts them in harm's way -- to any degree or extent, large or small -- is inhumane.

Demanding that others actually inject potentially harmful substances directly into their bodies is inhumane and the sign of a depraved heart.

It would be one thing if the side effects were all mild and temporary, but it's something else entirely to demand a person take something that may kill them, especially considering the fact that vaccinated people are still spreading disease, fully vaccinated or not.

The severity of symptoms makes no difference. The "severity" is in the eye of the beholder. No one has the right to cause or impose any pain or suffering.

Given all this, do you still believe it's ethical to force someone to get a vaccine and punish them for not doing it?

Punishing people for refusing to harm themselves shows just how sadistic authoritarians really are. They want to hurt people.

a reply to: BatSars

I had surgery before and a check up with the cardiologist just prior. Post OP is when I received first dose and 22 days later the second dose. But I got the Moderna, started having issues immediately after and stayed at the hospital for a few days. They thought I had Pericarditis and I was throwing out all kinds of PVCs and Arrhythmia's which were irregular/irregular. At one point I went into Supraventricular tachycardia (svt). So I got to enjoy a particular drug I've given in the field a handful of times Verapamil, I've had heart Palpitations before but this was a special punishment it felt.

I'm glad Pfizer is at least Dripping little bits...
But we need a TKO full on Bolus of info here.

Thanks for signing for ATS BTW

Edit: THE POINT:
my heart was already slightly enlarged prior as shown from the pre op heart exam. After the second shot when I truly felt off was when cardiologist notice a significant increase in size.

Had to wait on taking certain meds due to the fact that they are apparently ineffective after the vaccines. Hehe I'm actually going to go get my tetanus in a bit... I was told I was out of date and needed it, but had to wait.

originally posted by: BatSars
Most appear to be fine, but many die, many suffer long-term issues from it, and many more suffer long-term.

So what is many 100, 1000, 10,000, a million? There seems to be two sides to all this and both sides play the hyperbole game.

Given all this, do you still believe it's ethical to force someone to get a vaccine and punish them for not doing it? And if an employer forces an employee to get it, shouldn't the family of that employee be allowed to sue the company for forcing the vaccine?

When you say "you" who is it you are talking about. Personally I have failed to see anyone here saying it should be forced. I think both sides pro and con are all saying it is a personal choice. I have said before that there is a 1000 reasons why not to get it and there is a 1000 reasons why you should.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience. How are you doing now?

My brother in law has a lot of heart issues and he took the Pfizer vaccine and did not experience any issues thankfully. Some of the population may be predisposed to complications.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: BatSars

Saying that heart inflammation is a side effect of the vax is like saying concussion is a side effect of going to a bar.

Yes, some people will be punched in the face hard enough to concuss them during a bar fight, but 99.998% of people will just have a drink and then go home.

The risk of heart inflammation is microscopic. Something like 2 billion people have been vaxed and only a handful have had bad side effects at all. You stand more chance of being injured on your way to get vaxed than by the vax itself. You stand more chance of being injured at an anti vax rally than by the vax.

Just stop with the unnecessary fear.

I get it, you hate trump, but when you dump on his vaccine you cause real world problem for other people. Your doing harm to more than just his legacy.

People keep using VAERS as some proof of whatever and I don't think people have actually went into it and read a few 100 posts to get an overall understanding what it is. First, anyone can post to it and many do, so it is not an official data base other than a ton of anecdotal posts, but when you post you can click boxes that record numbers and it is those numbers people use as proof when the actual writeup doesn't really align with the boxes clicked.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

Lol. I see what you did there. That was pretty cute.

It is kind of funny that prior to Dec the left screamed they would not get the Trump vaccine, Biden, Harris, Pelosi and many others all said on video that they would not trust it over and over. Then Biden won and now the same vaccines they want to go draconian on everyone to include kids.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Edit: THE POINT: my heart was already slightly enlarged prior as shown from the pre op heart exam. After the second shot when I truly felt off was when cardiologist notice a significant increase in size.

Thank you for your honesty.
I think we’ve had too many opinions and not enough honest dialogue.

What did your Dr say? Is this condition reversible?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: BatSars

What are the early symptoms? My wife has been getting tired easier since making the stupid decision to be vaccinated in June. This morning during our walk, she could hardly talk...short of breath...tired.

Care, one of the assertions made about the vaccines is that they could possibly provoke micro-clotting in the blood.

There is a blood test called "d-dimer" your wife may wish to consider. You can find information about d-dimer with an internet search.

Cheers

a reply to: MDDoxs

who cares if a few die, it's only 1 in a few thousand, and you don't know any of those who died. tell the families to quit their bitching and suck it up. It's more important that folks get the shot. even if they have natural immunity, not because science says so, but because "they" say so. You don't want to kill grandma do you?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I stand more chance of being harmed by the jab than I do of covid killing me....same with my kids.

Get it if you want.....not my concern nor my problem.