originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Naytral
If you're determined to disbelieve in the reality of the soul, then you have to discount the millions of clear & lucid descriptions of myriad types of
paranormal experience which have been verified as impossible unless the human mind & perceptions have had extra-sensory perception, under 'impossible'
circumstances, predominantly evidenced in crystal clear near-death experiences.
The Near-Death Experience—Proof of Immortality?
“The soul of man is immortal and imperishable.”—Plato, Greek philosopher, c. 428-348 B.C.E.
“Such harmony is in immortal souls.”—William Shakespeare, English playwright, 1564-1616.
“The soul is indestructible . . . its activity will continue through eternity.”—Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German poet and dramatist,
1749-1832.
“Our personality . . . survives in the next life.”—Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1847-1931.
For thousands of years man has believed that he has inborn immortality. The ancient Egyptian rulers filled their tombs with the comforts and luxuries
of life so that the body would be well served in its reunion with the
ka, or soul.
Thus man has tried to convince himself that the certainty of death is annulled by the survival of an immortal soul or spirit. Others, like the English
poet Keats, want to believe but doubt. As Keats wrote: “I long to believe in immortality . . . I wish to believe in immortality.” What do you
believe about man’s supposed immortality?
In Keats’ words we perhaps have a simple clue to the conclusions that are being drawn by some doctors and psychiatrists, as well as people who have
undergone an NDE (near-death experience). For example, in tests carried out by physician and professor of medicine Dr. Michael Sabom on those who had
an NDE, “a definite decrease in the fear of death and
a definite increase in the belief in an afterlife were reported by the vast majority of
persons with an NDE.”—Italics mine.
To what conclusion did psychiatrist Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross arrive after checking out over a thousand cases of NDE? In her book
On Children and
Death she stated:
“And so it is with death . . . the end before another beginning. Death is the great transition.”* She adds: “With
further research and further publications, more and more people will know rather than believe that our physical body is truly only the cocoon, the
outer shell of the human being. Our inner, true self, the ‘butterfly,’ is immortal and indestructible and is freed at the moment we call death.”
(*: note the similarity with this ancient Babylonian religious concept: “Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever
faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—
The
Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556.; details concerning “Babylon the Great” can be found in these
comments)
Dr. Kenneth Ring, professor of psychology and author of
Life at Death, draws the following conclusion: “I
do believe . . . that we
continue to have a conscious existence after our physical death.” Then he adds: “My own understanding of these near-death experiences leads me to
regard them as ‘teachings.’ They are, it seems to me, by their nature,
revelatory experiences. . . . In this respect, [near-death]
experiences are akin to
mystical or religious experiences [Italics mine.]. . . . From this point of view, the voices we have heard in this book
[
Life at Death] are those of prophets preaching a religion of universal brotherhood.”
A Contrasting Viewpoint
But what do other investigators say? How do they explain these near-death and out-of-body experiences? Psychologist Ronald Siegel sees them in a
different light. “These experiences are common to a wide variety of arousal in the human brain, including '___', sensory deprivation and extreme
stress. The stress is producing the projection of the images into the brain. They are the same for most people because our brains are all wired
similarly to store information, and these experiences are basically electrical read-outs of this wiring.”
Dr. Richard Blacher of Tufts University School of Medicine, Boston, wrote: “I suggest that people who undergo these ‘death experiences’ are
suffering from a hypoxic [oxygen deficiency] state, during which they try to deal psychologically with the anxieties provoked by the medical
procedures and talk. . . . We are dealing here with the fantasy of death, not with death itself. This fantasy [within the patient’s psyche, or mind]
is most appealing, since it solves several human concerns at one time. . . . The physician must be especially wary of accepting religious belief as
scientific data.”
Siegel indicates another interesting point about the “visions” of the nearly dead: “As in hallucinations, the visions of the afterlife are
suspiciously like this world, according to the accounts provided by dying patients themselves.” For example, a 63-year-old man who had spent much of
his life in Texas related his “vision” as follows: “I was suspended over a fence. . . . On one side of the fence it was extremely scraggly
territory, mesquite brush . . . On the other side of the fence was the most beautiful pasture scene I guess I have ever seen . . . [It was] a three-
or four-strand barbed-wire fence.” Did this patient actually see barbed wire in “heaven” or in the realm beyond death? It is obvious that these
images were based on his life in Texas and recalled from his own brain data bank—unless we are being asked to believe that there is barbed wire
“on the other side”!
In fact, so many NDEs are closely related to the patients’ experiences and background in life that it is unreasonable to believe that they are
having a glimpse of a realm beyond death. For example, do those NDE patients who see a “being of light” see the same person regardless of whether
they are Christian, Jewish, Hindu or Muslim? In his book
Life After Life, Dr. Raymond Moody explains: “The identification of the being varies
from individual to individual and seems to be largely a function of the religious background, training, or beliefs of the person involved. Thus, most
of those who are Christians . . . identify the light as Christ . . . A Jewish man and woman identified the light as an ‘angel.’”
At a strictly scientific level, Dr. Ring admits:
“I remind my audiences that what I have studied are near-death experiences, not
after-death experiences. . . . There is obviously no guarantee either that these experiences will
continue to unfold in a way
consistent with their beginnings or indeed that they will continue at all. That, I believe, is the correct
scientific position to take on the
significance of these experiences.”
Common Sense and the Bible
As for death, psychologist Siegel gives his opinion: “Death, in terms of its physical sequels, is no mystery. After death the body
disintegrates and is reabsorbed into the inanimate component of the environment. The dead human loses both his life and his consciousness. . . . The
most logical guess is that consciousness shares the same fate as that of the corpse. Surprisingly, this commonsense view is not the prevalent one, and
the majority of mankind . . . continue to exert their basic motivation to stay alive and formulate a myriad of beliefs concerning man’s survival
after death.”
About 3,000 years ago the same “commonsense view” was given by a king who wrote: “For the living are conscious that they will die; but
as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. Also,
their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be
done under the sun. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol
[mankind’s common grave], the place to which you are going.”—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10.
Certainly the Bible leaves no room for considering near-death experiences as a prelude to life after death. King Solomon’s description of
death and its effects has no hints of an immortal soul surviving into some other form of conscious existence. The dead “are conscious of nothing at
all.”
Of course, those who practice spiritism and communication with the “dead” are only too pleased to have the apparent support of hundreds of
near-death experiences. Psychologist Siegel quotes one lecturer on the paranormal, or supernatural, as saying that “if we are to examine the
evidence for an afterlife honestly and dispassionately we must free ourselves from the tyranny of common sense.” (Psychology Today, January
1981) Interestingly, this same lecturer “argues that ghosts and apparitions are indeed hallucinations, but they are projected telepathically from
the minds of dead people to those of the living!” That certainly does not agree with Solomon’s conclusion that the dead are dead and know
nothing.
Near-Death Experiences—How Explained?
How, then, can all the near-death and out-of-body experiences be explained? Basically, there are at least two possibilities—one is that
presented by some psychologists to the effect that the still-active brain of the near-dead person recalls and forms images under the stresses of the
near-death experience. These are then interpreted by some patients and investigators to be glimpses of life after death. In fact, as we have
seen from the Bible, such cannot be the case, for man does not have an immortal soul, and there is no such thing as life after death as perceived in
these cases.
But there is a second possibility to be taken into account that may explain some of these experiences. It is a factor that most investigators
will not admit. (and also relevant to the things you said about "extra sensory perception" and "past lives")
For example, Dr. Moody
explained in his book Life After Life that “rarely, someone . . . has proposed demonic explanations of near-death experiences, suggesting
that the experiences were doubtless directed by inimical forces.” However, he rejects the idea since he feels that instead of the patients’
feeling more godly after the experience, “Satan would presumably tell his servants to follow a course of hate and destruction.” He adds, “He
certainly has failed miserably—as far as I can tell—to make persuasive emissaries for his program!”
In this respect Dr. Moody makes a grave mistake in two ways. First, Satan would not necessarily promulgate hate and destruction through these
experiences. Why not? Because the Bible states: “Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if
his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness.” (2 Corinthians 11:14, 15) If he can perpetuate the basic lie that
he has always maintained—“You positively will not die”—he can do it through the apparently most innocent and enlightening
means.—Genesis 3:4, 5.
Second, he has not failed miserably to make persuasive emissaries for his program of lies about the immortal soul! To the contrary, he now has
doctors, psychologists and scientists fully supporting the lie that he has promulgated through priests and philosophers down through the ages! How
appropriate is Paul’s summation of the situation when he wrote: “If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who
are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news
about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through”!—2 Corinthians 4:3, 4.
Nevertheless, as we have seen, some psychologists believe that man has a conscious existence after death. This personal interpretation of the
meaning of near-death experiences obliges us to raise the following pertinent questions on behalf of those who believe the Bible (let's pretend
they're around): Is there any Biblical basis at all for saying that man has an immortal soul that abandons the body like a butterfly out of a cocoon?
What about those texts in the Bible that use the words “soul” and “immortality”?
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