The Truth About Vitamin D and COVID-19

a reply to: rickymouse

On the flip side unless my child was in an at risk category I would never give them this vaccine. Children and adults react very different. When I tell my patients to never give their children aspirin without consulting a Dr first they can't believe it because of how safe it is in adults.
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originally posted by: StarGate77
a reply to: rickymouse

💯 but basically anything thats green has Vitamin K

So eat your vegetables and you don’t need vitamin K supplements

Go out and get exercise and get your vitamin D

If you don’t go out in the sun or have really dark skin in the northern location, take some D



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Part of the design of our metabolism is to make enzymes in our digestive system to take out needed vitamins when they get low...part of that is cravings, but that part can get hijacked by overeating a food chemistry and altering the metabolism to create more of one enzyme to detox it then if you cut down it wipes out that chemistry all together and makes us sick. I am trying to decipher moderation in respect to metabolism which is not easy. Of course, you need to eat some veggies to get your vitamin k, but too much can create an increase in the enzyme used to thin the blood, and if you don't get the veggies every day the enzyme that thins the blood gets too high and wipes out the vitamin k. Then the body can inappropriately stimulate a different clotting factor pathway and you wind up with a clot anyway. I tracked down multiple pathways in clotting factors one day, it is very complex and I just acquired a general but adequate understanding of it.

My daughter would eat a lot of kale and greens and ate lots of garlic too, she craved garlic to cancel out the thrombotic effect of the Kale....then the garlic was lousy in the store so she didn't buy it, and she wound up with a blood clot that went to the lungs and twenty grand worth of medical bills. I had told her to make sure she eats onions, but she chose garlic....garlic does not stop the thrombins from forming onions do. You cannot stop garlic quickly, but onions are not so crucial, once the garlic is gone, the thrombins get active and increase clotting factors. This is similar to the action of some blood thinners that you have to wean off of or you get blood clots forming. Onions do inhibit the formation of thrombins, garlic doesn't.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: rickymouse

On the flip side unless my child was in an at risk category I would never give them this vaccine. Children and adults react very different. When I tell my patients to never give their children aspirin without consulting a Dr first they can't believe it because of how safe it is in adults.
www.mayoclinic.org...

But taking too much tylenol is no good either, it is hard on the liver. N-acetylcystein or acetylcysteine is the treatment for that. And Motrin is hard on the kidneys if taken to long, Ibuprofin can cause kidney pain and damage if taken excessively. That responds better to taurine than NAC for some strange reason. You do not need big doses of those two supplements to help lessen damage either and both those things are found in foods if the kids are fed right. The doctors tell my daughter to rotate the tylenol and motrin every other time now to help to keep those organs from being harmed as much. Silimaron from thistles can help with the liver damage too, but not much with the kidney damage. The modern diet destroys the NAC and taurine in the foods, they are not heat stable, they irreversably bind to other chemistries if overcooked.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Salander

HCQ can cause liver damage, so long term use as a prophylaxis in any at risk individual is probably not a good idea.

I and most all the other US soldiers in Vietnam took HCQ pretty much every day as prophylaxis against malaria. It seems to have worked.

Attempts to malign the cheap drug are purely political. They have no basis in medicine or public health.

a reply to: rickymouse
It depends on the type of K, k1,or k2
K2?is anti coagulant and stimulating to the immune system. We can further subdivide mk4 and mk7, but these days say the last 7 or 8 years… the better supplement manufacturers are using k2 as mk7 for the reason you mentioned , or combining with k1 to “normalize” the coagulating effect.

K is pretty deep and a pretty recent discovery, within the last 90 years

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: rickymouse
It depends on the type of K, k1,or k2
K2?is anti coagulant and stimulating to the immune system. We can further subdivide mk4 and mk7, but these days say the last 7 or 8 years… the better supplement manufacturers are using k2 as mk7 for the reason you mentioned , or combining with k1 to “normalize” the coagulating effect.

K is pretty deep and a pretty recent discovery, within the last 90 years

All of the Ks promote coagulation. I do not know where you are getting that information from. Using a homopathy type of treatment you can stimulate the blood thinning enzymes or hormones by using K2 but so far that has not been working as they thought, even my daughters licensed physician who uses natural medicine in his practice found that trying to stimulate the production of the anti-thrombic hormone in my daughter along with warafin did not work well. She did not boost the production of the anti-coagulant chemistry during that treatment period. Well, at least now he knows and so does my daughter, I told her it probably won't work because we have her genetic data and that is naturally inhibited by the genes somewhat. It may work on some people but not all.

I take K7 supplements on occasion, we have them separately and my wife does have the genetics where she needs D3 supplements, I have none of those genetics, my youngest daughter has one copy and it is autosomal recessive, so one copy does not count on vitamin D malabsorption. The wife takes a K7 supplement every other day with her D3 she has both coppies of two of the three genetic snps in the genset. My daughter now takes a very small K supplement and not the big one as the doctor mentioned. Os don't coagulate as much and benefit by Ks, As have more clotting potential because of foods, the daughter is an AO my wife is O and I am AA.

That genetic stuff matches pretty well what is going on with the Ds in medicine. Many of the genetic gensets talking about disease risk only have a small relation to disease risk, the ones for the Ds are pretty predominant from what I read and see in my family.. That could just mean it applies to us well, but others in the chatrooms of the gene sites have good results with this D and K genetic match. The supplements do help the people with the problem according to what most responses are in the area where people talk. I use Livewello and Prometheus but only livewello has a chat function for people to compare notes.

Sorry for going off topic OP.

a reply to: rickymouse
I got the information through education, in a company training..I’ve worked in clinic, development, education and sales of alternative medicine and supplements going on 29 years. There are a number of articles on the difference between K1 and K2, mk4, Mk 7 available.

If there are newer studies showing that’s not valid, I’ll be looking as there are a number of people put on mk7 for that reason a few short years ago.

Always nice seeing your information

Eta: spoke with my CN friend, k2 as mk7 is presently considered: not contraindicated with blood thinners, not necessarily anticoagualating, though some articles use that term.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: rickymouse
I got the information through education, in a company training..I’ve worked in clinic, development, education and sales of alternative medicine and supplements going on 29 years. There are a number of articles on the difference between K1 and K2, mk4, Mk 7 available.

If there are newer studies showing that’s not valid, I’ll be looking as there are a number of people put on mk7 for that reason a few short years ago.

Always nice seeing your information

Eta: spoke with my CN friend, k2 as mk7 is presently considered: not contraindicated with blood thinners, not necessarily anticoagualating, though some articles use that term.

K2 and K7, technically it is MK7 but I don't say the M because they are considered the same thing, do not increase coagulation as much as K1 does, that is true, but it still does increase it somewhat from what I have read.

Talk about weird stuff, I had a little horn growing on my head which I pulled off. And I had one growing on my back, it looked like a cat's claw and since I could not remove it I had it froze off at the doctors, he said it is more common in old people than people know. I asked him what I can do to stop it from happening again and he said I should not consume so much carotene. I like potatoes, full of carotenes, also I like cooked carrots and liver. So I cut down somewhat on those things, I may be Finn, but I don't want a fin and don't want to turn into one of those swamp creatures. The doctor chuckled when I told him I was not a full finn and I couldn't grow a real fin. He said it is not the same chemistry in a fish and mammal fingernail. I figured I would cut down on the carotenes, it cost me two hundred bucks out of pocket to get that horn removed. I started to wonder why I was growing a horn, I guess I am just full of Bull Crap.

a reply to: rickymouse
Interesting about your horn, an old school herbal treatment was long term use of an Ayurvedic digestive called Triphala.

Hers an interesting extract from NIH on k1/K2

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: rickymouse
Interesting about your horn, an old school herbal treatment was long term use of an Ayurvedic digestive called Triphala.

Hers an interesting extract from NIH on k1/K2

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Oooh, that Triphala sounds like an excellent laxative. I wonder if it will make me horny?

a reply to: rickymouse
It has an odd often overlooked capacity at dissolving calcium boney protuberances, or so I’ve read…and a good dump

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: rickymouse
It has an odd often overlooked capacity at dissolving calcium boney protuberances, or so I’ve read…and a good dump

Most people's perception of getting horny is way different than my perception is now.

I think I am just part alien, at least I do not have problems with a webbed foot like a guy I know. He has only one webbed foot, must be a half breed.

Maybe people should go outside again and not use sunscreen? The whiter you are, the easier it is to absorb vitamin D.