Can we just stop already?

a reply to: NotGuilty
It is still the wrong people, because they are not in a position to force you to do anything.

originally posted by: carewemust
There should be a national "rally of the unvaccinated". Effectively, giving the middle finger to Biden and other idiots who want to control individual lives.

I would definitely support that, but not for the reasons you might assume.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Why do you care exactly? Inner control freak needs let out for a walk or what?

We haven't forgotten how BLM riots and liquor stores are A-OK, but religious services, patriotic holidays and peaceful anti-lockdown protests are "super spreader events"

We see the left for what it truly is. We see.

Biden is really handling COVID-19 like garbage though. Look at all the daily deaths. No plan whatsoever. Lip service just doesn't cut it.

a reply to: JBurns

We haven't forgotten how BLM riots and liquor stores are A-OK, but religious services, patriotic holidays and peaceful anti-lockdown protests are "super spreader events"

In what jurisdiction were BLM demonstrations without masking and social distancing permitted?

Do people congregate in large numbers at liquor stores, as they do in bars?

Please provide the data, so that people won't think you're making these things up and refuse to believe you. Some might even think-- given the specific examples you've chosen -- that you're a vile racist. Surely you don't want that?

Better provide those numbers quick.

That’s a lot of mud you’ve got there

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: JBurns

We haven't forgotten how BLM riots and liquor stores are A-OK, but religious services, patriotic holidays and peaceful anti-lockdown protests are "super spreader events"

In what jurisdiction were BLM demonstrations without masking and social distancing permitted?

Do people congregate in large numbers at liquor stores, as they do in bars?

Please provide the data, so that people won't think you're making these things up and refuse to believe you. Some might even think-- given the specific examples you've chosen -- that you're a vile racist. Surely you don't want that?

Better provide those numbers quick.

Leaky vaccines (which all COVID vaccines currently are) result in higher rates of mutation: journals.plos.org.../journal.pbio.1002198 -- this is actually made worse when you do it mid-pandemic: epidemics.psu.edu...

"if enough people are vaccinated the rate of mutation will fall" - cite your source please. Also, it's not about the rate of mutation but the direction of the mutation.

"Shame on you for ... spreading vaccine misinformation" yet that's exactly what you've just done and I've proven that to you. By ignoring what we know, you're actually doing more to harm others than OP was.

a reply to: Astyanax

It is, by definition, an experimental vaccine. We are still in the trial phase and it will be some time before the vaccine is approved by the FDA.

It is currently under EUA which is NOT "approved," which, by definition, is experimental. So, yes, the "concoction" is literally experimental. You may not like to use that term but it's the best one to describe what you're jabbing yourself with. Whether you believe it to still be safe, based on very few trials (that didn't even catch GBS or myocarditis/pericarditis) then fine; but you don't get to use those semantics as an argument because they're incorrect.

"If the EU, China, Russia and Israel all say that the vax is safe" -- what a fallacious argument that is. lol Let's play this game. So, is it safe like cigarettes used to be safe? Even advertised as a way to lose weight! Like they used to all think lead was safe. They thought mercury was safe. I mean, there are countless examples of TPTB pushing things (ephedrine, anyone?) that turn out to be devastating.

Which version of 'safe' is this, exactly?



a reply to: AaarghZombies

I actually agree here. The antimasker crowd was something to behold, but that doesn't mean that because people refused to wear a mask that we should then force them to jab themselves with something we don't understand the full consequences of.

Huge difference in wearing a face covering and injecting yourself with stuff, wouldn't you think?
a reply to: AaarghZombies

I think I overheard something about bootstraps. Can't be sure but I think that's right.
a reply to: surfer_soul

"Fully vaccinated people only shed until the immune response starts working -- then the virus is eradicated in a matter of hours ... Vaccinated people reject the virus, they don't carry it about in their bodies to infect other people with."

Is that really the argument you're making without a single citation?

Okay, here's me proving that you're not correct, using the same people you keep referencing: www.cnbc.com...

“People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves,” Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant director-general for access to medicines and health products, said during a news briefing from the agency’s Geneva headquarters.

“Vaccine alone won’t stop community transmission,” Simao added. “People need to continue to use masks consistently, be in ventilated spaces, hand hygiene ... the physical distance, avoid crowding. This still continues to be extremely important, even if you’re vaccinated when you have a community transmission ongoing.”

So, the WHO assistant director-general says "vaccine alone won't stop community transmission" but the guy that has already admitted he has no medical background says it does. Who are we supposed to believe?

And there's this: www.medrxiv.org...

And this: www.medrxiv.org...

Just Google "Can you still spread COVID when vaccinated" and the resounding response from all medical professionals is YES.

And the US isn't even testing vaccinated people for COVID, so the argument that only unvaccinated people in the US are getting it is silly considering they don't test them for it: www.cnn.com...

So when you claim that it will reject the virus (your words), you're actually spreading misinformation. You should also start citing sources if you want to be taken seriously. You've made a lot of statements and I haven't seen you cite a single source.




a reply to: Astyanax

A *type* of approval? I mean, sure, but it is not FDA approved. It is still in the trial phase. Everyone taking the jab is literally participating in a global trial. That's not an exaggeration either.

a reply to: daskakik

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

You do know that you can just buy a shot, right?

Even if it's not FDA approved, lots of off the shelf stuff isn't FDA approved.

They're under $20 a pop.

Only Phizer, Moderna and Johnson are "approved" so you won't get the coveted vaccine passport. I find it hard to believe that a Dr. would/could import those vaccines.

CDC

a reply to: Punnilingus
Pretty sure a lot of people get all that.

It will never stop as long as sheep like you do not stop doing it yourself.
There is no Covid, never has been. The injections were under production prior to the Covid hysteria.
Keep hunting for your snipes. One day you will find them, I'm sure that you will. Endeavor to persevere in your quest to find the elusive snipes.
Pogo'd know!

a reply to: ToddB
Who you talking to?

Wouldn't conspiracy theorists be considered the ultimate snipe hunters?

a reply to two posts by Punnilingus

Leaky vaccines (which all COVID vaccines currently are) result in higher rates of mutation.

Indeed they do. In the unvaccinated.

From the study you quoted:

Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

Another argument for getting vaccinated, not for denying the efficacy of vaccines or spreading vaccine disinformation.

Astyanax: ‘Fully vaccinated people only shed until the immune response starts working -- then the virus is eradicated in a matter of hours ... Vaccinated people reject the virus, they don't carry it about in their bodies to infect other people with.’

Is that really the argument you're making without a single citation?

The WHO assistant director-general says "vaccine alone won't stop community transmission" but the guy that has already admitted he has no medical background says it does. Who are we supposed to believe?

You can believe us both, because the ADG and I are in agreement. See my replies to Halfswede above.

And there's this: www.medrxiv.org...

And this: www.medrxiv.org...

Yes, some people have illnesses that make it dangerous to take the vaccines. Also dealt with above, more than once. This is no excuse for people free from those diseases to refuse them.

And the US isn't even testing vaccinated people for COVID, so the argument that only unvaccinated people in the US are getting it is silly

The claim is that unvaccinated people are the only ones dying of it.

What actually is silly is imagining that you need to test asymptomatic people to establish whether it is only the unvaccinated who are dying of Covid. Obviously every incoming case is asked whether they’ve been vaccinated or not. Are you suggesting that vaccinated people at death’s door are lying, telling doctors that they haven’t been vaccinated? That isn’t just silly, it’s absurd.

a reply to: BlackArrow

biggest pharma money making scam ever

they say we are getting vaccines but its probably placebo , they sold # to our governments under a lie , that money is then sent to all their pals who they are donor of the party etc
all the money goes into offshore accounts , stolen billions globally from the public

the rich get richer , the poor get dumber , because you cant get any poorer than dirt poor.
At what point will we do something about this when voting and protests no longer work where is the #ing tipping point of humanity rising up finally against these corporate / military /financial powers that seem to dominate every aspect of our lives.

originally posted by: BlackArrow

I'll only add...

Vaccine does NOT stop it from mutating.

Yes, and the vaxx also bears a very real risk of creating antibody dependent enhancement variations that are even more lethal - much more likely than from the unvaxxed.

originally posted by: Astyanax
From the study you quoted:

"Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

Another argument for getting vaccinated, not for denying the efficacy of vaccines or spreading vaccine disinformation.

Rotflmao!

So, you're now arguing that the unvaxxed should get vaxxed to protect themselves against... tha vaxxed?

Just