Can we just stop already?

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: BlackArrow

here's my two cents followed by a rant.

Vaccine does not stop the spread
Vaccine does NOT stop it from mutating.

Is that your two cents? You can have it back.

Vaccines do retard the spread of Covid-19, as they do with any disease they target. If everyone were vaccinated, the spread will stop. This is how humanity has already eradicated smallpox and other infectious diseases.

It is not the function of a vaccine to prevent a virus from mutating, but if enough people are vaccinated the rate of mutation will fall to a negligible value.

Shame on you for (1) not knowing these things and (2) spreading vaccine misinformation that could cause human beings to die. You may not care for your own life, but you have no right to ignore the safety of others.

The shot makes the sniffles a little less icky, for YOU, NOT ME. Ergo, the OP is correct, and you are not.

Prick yourself all you want. The only good the thing does is for the recipient, not the rest of us. You are not my hero, get over yourself, you saved no one.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The mRNA shot is just one of many on the market and available to American consumers.

It’s good to know there is so much choice available for consumers, when comparing products I like to look at the price differences and compare the pros & cons of each product.

So how much will these cost?

a reply to: Chalcedony

But if you can still catch and spread it even once fully vaccinated

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but that's an argument for, not against, immunization.

In fact, vaccinated people are much less likely to spread the virus. So that's two arguments.

a reply to: BlackArrow

Get your facts straight before you come at Me, sir

Does the capital M mean you're the Almighty? That's the usual convention.

Forgive me, Lord, if that be the case, for I must contradict Thee: my facts are straight. Yours appear to be a little... inflated. Divine grandiloquence, perhaps?

a reply to: Astyanax

As tempting as it is to insult you I’ll refrain, but perhaps you haven’t noticed, if you can still catch and spread a virus your not immune.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

You don't know his situation, but yet you're all in his face telling him what he should do

What did I tell them to do?

I told them -- suggested, really -- that they stop doing something: spreading vaccine misinformation. This thread is a frightening example of how easily it is believed.

Fact: You expecting someone else to do something that makes you feel better is by definition selfish

Fact: Someone doing no other activity than asking to be left alone, even if it means they die, is not selfish

People need to stop twisting morals around. The first is selfish. The second is NOT selfish.




Me: You need to donate $1000 to starving children funds. It saves lives you evil prick. (Sounds noble, but is socialist selfish arrogance)

You: What I do with my money is my business. Stop bothering me. (NOT selfish)


Selfish or not selfish. You decide what kind of person you want to be, but don't try and spin it upside down.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

You don't know his situation, but yet you're all in his face telling him what he should do

What did I tell him them to do?

I told them -- suggested, really -- that they stop doing something: spreading vaccine misinformation. This thread is a frightening example of how easily it is believed.

Perhaps if you researched more, you would see who is actually spreading misinformation. The OP is pretty spot on. Why don't you look at some of the conclusions from studies coming out of Israel. They have no interests in the vax production money.

They are the main reason we hear about clots, heart problems, significantly reduced efficacy etc. If you just choose not to believe their research, then that is also a choice, but they are far more balanced than what is coming out of the CDC/NIH. You should ask yourself when the numbers are so different from two different sources, who has incentive to lie. They can't both be telling the truth.

Why don't you look at the actual VAERS data. For decades it was considered to be a source of underreporting. It was considered to be several-fold below what was the actual probable cases in the population. Scientists would use that number and figure many MORE actual cases. They used that database previously to pull vaccines for as little as a handful of deaths. Ask yourself why suddenly with COVID, there are more adverse reactions in 6 months reported than all previous vaccines combined in the last 22 years. Ask yourself why they suddenly demonize the only official source of adverse reactions.

a reply to: BlackArrow

So if his situation is that dire then HE needs to be the one to take precautions. Not me, I personally don't give a rats ass about him and why should I?

And there we have it.

I have no response to this argument. If someone cares so little for their fellows as this, they are beyond any appeal to morality or even enlightened self-interest. This is how men and women reason when have lost their humanity, or reason itself.

How many of the rest of you agree with BlackArrow?

a reply to: BlackArrow

I AM IMMUNE SURPRESSED

To repeat myself, I didn't tell you to get vaxed. I told you to stop spreading vaccine misinformation.

I have a friend who can't get the mRNA vaccines either. Some issue with blood clotting. Obviously there are a few who can't take it. It's not unusual with vaccines. But -- just as obviously -- anyone who can take it should do so.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I am not a trump ophile, or anti vax I just dont want the phizer, moderna, or J&J vax, I would be willing to take the Novavax at this time but it doesnt look likely the FDA will approve that in the US since the previous 3 have flooded the market.

Till I can get a treatment I trust (because we will never in my lifetime eradicate a coronavirus in my lifetime) I will continue to live my life trust the antibodies in my system and social distance, and mask up if the business requires it. (not hard to do I dont like most people)

a reply to: Astyanax

Context is everything, here’s the rest of the post you snipped from.

He wouldn't shed a single tear if I died(and I AM IMMUNE SURPRESSED/Compromised.. (surgically removed immune organs because of overactive immune system) so that bull# does NOT work on me.. ( My immune damage was caused by pharmacy experimentation in the 1990s that made by body attack itself..) So you have no right to be so condescending to me, when I can die of a simple cold.

The thing is, what about the people that have died or had major difficulties with the experimental ‘vaccines’ that have been pushed under emergency use? These people thought they should take it, the gov really pushed them to do so... yet it turns out they really shouldn’t have...

a reply to: Halfswede

Perhaps if you researched more, you would see who is actually spreading misinformation... Why don't you look at the actual VAERS data.

I don't look at it because I am not an epidemiologist, an immunologist, a biochemist, an expert in public-health medicine, an emergency-room doctor or any other professional with the competence to understand and correctly interpret raw vaccine-reaction reporting data.

Neither, I would venture, are you.


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I understand that I'm dealing with conspiracy theorists here.

My own education, as it happens, was in physics. On ATS in its former and much more pleasant incarnation, I often crossed swords with electric-universe theorists, quantum mystics and the like. Some of them had pored over Maxwell, Einstein, Bohr et al. for years, studying them obsessively. Sadly, they never understood them, which was why they believed in their crackpot theories.

Usually this was because they had not been sufficiently educated in general physics before they threw themselves headlong iinto their 'speciality' (though some had other reasons too).

So here's one difference between a scientifically educated person and a conspiracy theorist. The first knows what they are competent to make judgements about and -- just as important -- what they are not. A conspiracy theorist, on the other hand, believes that they can, with sufficient effort, understand and draw valid conclusions about anything. It would be wonderful if that were really so, but unfortunately, it isn't. What happens instead is that they selectively interpret things to reinforce their own beliefs.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Context is everything...

Already dealt with above.

what about the people that have died or had major difficulties with the experimental ‘vaccines’?

Also dealt with above.

Surely you're not using the vanishingly rare problems that arise from these vaccines (nearly a billion people round the world fully vaxxed already -- so much for 'experimental') as an excuse for not getting vaccinated? The chances of falling ill from Covid are overwhelmingly higher than those of falling ill fron a vaccine.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The mRNA shot is just one of many on the market and available to American consumers.

It’s good to know there is so much choice available for consumers, when comparing products I like to look at the price differences and compare the pros & cons of each product.

So how much will these cost?

Thanks to former President Donald J Trump you can get any of the US made shots the grand price of $0.00 +0.00% sales tax if you use a drop in center or your own health care provider. They are being payed for by the government.

Depending on where you live you might have a limited choice in which one you get. It's best to call up the center beforehand and ask them as you might not have much choice if you just turn up on the day. But you can just pick which drop in center or mobile popup has the shot that you want. Some may ask for ID, but the inner city dropins and popup generally don't want much information form you.

If you want the Chinese or Russian vaxes, they're about $15 a shot, ask your primary care provider to obtain it rather than buying online.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: AaarghZombies

I am not a trump ophile, or anti vax I just dont want the phizer, moderna, or J&J vax, I would be willing to take the Novavax at this time but it doesnt look likely the FDA will approve that in the US since the previous 3 have flooded the market.

Till I can get a treatment I trust (because we will never in my lifetime eradicate a coronavirus in my lifetime) I will continue to live my life trust the antibodies in my system and social distance, and mask up if the business requires it. (not hard to do I dont like most people)

You do know that you can just buy a shot, right?

Even if it's not FDA approved, lots of off the shelf stuff isn't FDA approved.

They're under $20 a pop.

a reply to: Astyanax

It's not supposed to stop the spread but lessen the symptoms, and it's not a vaccine, which is why i am not taking it. No I am not an anti-vaxxer i just use common sense. My common sense tells me this is a bad shot. I personllay do not care what happens to you, you made your choice. Don't come here stating he is spreading misinformation because he is not. If that scares you maybe you should have looked into before you decided to rush out and get it.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: BlackArrow

So if his situation is that dire then HE needs to be the one to take precautions. Not me, I personally don't give a rats ass about him and why should I?

And there we have it.

I have no response to this argument. If someone cares so little for their fellows as this, they are beyond any appeal to morality or even enlightened self-interest. This is how men and women reason when have lost their humanity, or reason itself.

How many of the rest of you agree with BlackArrow?

They all do. They’re pissed at their lot in life. They love to whine and play victim. Hell, this whole site has become one big whine fest. It’s embarrassing.

a reply to: liliththedestroyer

It's not supposed to stop the spread but lessen the symptoms, and it's not a vaccine, which is why i am not taking it.

Then you'd better hurry up and take it, because both those objections are false. You have been made a victim of vaccine misinformation.

I just use common sense.

Common sense isn't much good if it's based on the wrong information.

I personllay do not care what happens to you, you made your choice.

Another of those? How old are you, Lilith?

Seems to me on this thread that there are a few people running Information Influence activities (IIA) on this thread. And this applies to those who continue to push the official narrative on vax and the China virus (which was made in a lab because of a graphene "stitch" on the folds of the virus and its added HIV like properties) these were obtained in dead samples as no one has to date released an actual image or anything of the actual "live" virus.

So the people pushing the MSM and "expert" narrative here are likely IIA plants who are ordered or told to do this for money. The ones pushing it that are not IIA are.just simply ignorant of the actual.science and facts and just plain common sense. Its important we do not feed into these people as it will make them more irrelevant then they already are.
The ones being paid are usually CiA, FBI, CDC, and GCHQ for our friends ruled by a queen. They are pushing so hard to be believed and its absolutely comical.

The vaccine (or gene therapeutics) is a death and sterilization shot for both sexes that follows a depopulation agenda, a genocide that people are willingly and unwillingly taking part of. This is not FDA approved!! It was.approved for emergency use ONLY. I don't care.who pushed it, I trust Trump but not some of the people around him and I certainly don't trust the pharmaceutical companies. It has to do with common sense, and if people took ten minutes to do a little research about any of the vax stuff, there would have been many more people who would not have taken this shot. As another poster stated, you don't have to worry about spreading polio, smallpox, Hep B etc after getting those vaccines, so why is it the opposite with the civic vax?

People please use discernment, stop inhaling the rotten fumes of disinformation put forth by the governments, MSM news on TV and online, the so called "experts", the online shills and paid IIA plants etc of this world who want to brainwash and control you. Sometimes you can learn a lot by expanding your knowledge and research and think for yourself.

If anyone wants to get firsthand information from few former IIA agents and contractors who are whistleblowers and what they did and the tools they used check out Patrick Bergy On his YouTube channel m.youtube.com...

And for another major whistleblower and investigative journalist who was involved with these same activities among many others who came forward to congress.and many others only to be attacked and ruined while these people she gave information to sat on it and did nothing so they would protect their interests and not the people of the USA. This is all regarding the vax, illegal medical experiments, Chinese colluders, espionage, corruption and election meddling (and a lot more) and worked along side John Brennan to steal the Ukraine elections with guess what? Dominion and smartmatic (I think) voting machines.
She provides ACTUAL PROOF on her website in her articles including damning espionage, corruption, pedophilia etc from Hunter Biden's laptop just to name a few sources. But to keep this on topic there are a lot of articles on her site regarding the vax, Fauci and his GOF and earlier experiments with HIV in which he withheld treatment (hydroxychloriquine) from many black HIV infected patients in which they died. It shows you the sociopath he is and continues to be.
Heres the website toresays.com...
Here is an article of a military vax whistleblower who was murdered for what he was saying toresays.com...

I apologize for the long winded post, but some.of you really need to do research and look at the truth being censored and you can put 2 and 2 together and see exactly what is going on. Its not hard and truth always prevails...no matter what!