Does This NWO Statement From 1981 Seem Relevant Today ?

a reply to: ultimatesaviorMessiah

Busy evening Messiah? seeing how you spammed every thread on the recent page.

It does sound like a "crazy good opportunity"..

I'll think about it okay

a reply to: pthena

Its available on archive.org. I'll borrow it and see.

archive.org...

a reply to: keukendeur
Here's the rub. I don't own that book, fairly sure you don't as well. So you, I and anyone else reading this thread that dont own that book and cant go and either prove or disprove this fools quote or misquote. He might have said it, he might not. Rich and powerful A**hats tend to pop of with some dumb speech sometimes.

On a side note the growing reliance of "free thinkers" reliance on corporate and government backed fact checkers is disturbing. It's a disturbing as the painting and slobbering done by the T.T.S.A. fanbois waiting for the gubmints ufo info drop. I would hope that as free thinkers and supposed independent minds we would be better than to rely on 2nd hand sources, regardless of the source. If that's what goes for free thinking now a days I want off this rock.

That last paragraph isn't meant to be personal more of a rant against what I see as a growing problem in the C.T., U.F.O., crypto world. And maybe we here at A.T.S. could work as a community to change that.

a reply to: Woodswatcher

I get what you are saying and I noticed the other thread currently running about Be Aware. First They Fact Checked Social Media, Now They Are Coming For This..

But it just doesn't work that way.

OP makes a claim, now the burden of proof is on the OP.

He can do the homework by reading the book instead of rehashing some tweet.

Like I said, I've seen this quote before and I researched it back then. I came to the conclusion it was false.

Here's a quote by Edison:



Now you go through his entire body of work to prove he didn't say that.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Making statements of that nature should lead to a direct & unequivocal death sentence. That type of mentality is an abomination, treason against the divine order of the universe, apostasy from the realm of ordinary decent human consciousness. I hope he is dead, or suffering, because it seems his statement was taken as a game plan.

ETA - As to whether the quote is legitimate, I think we all know that there are plenty of directly comparable quotes made by elitists in this century & the preceding centuries. This kind of attitude has prevailed for hundreds of years, with an eternally extant game plan that one day, when the technology made it possible, they would eliminate the 'useless eaters' & generate a system fit only for themselves, no plebs allowed (except as members of the slave caste, destined to lick the boots of the masters & their officious servant caste forevermore. They even intend to genetically engineer our children & grandchildren, and augment them with transhumanist technologies of control, in order that they will never dare contemplate any sort of uprising.

We only have a few years at best before their control system is locked in place, immovable. The time has come to wake up properly, to seek your tribe & prepare to live in a different way, ready for what may come. We should try to develop a society which interfaces with the existing developed society, yet without assension to the imposed global health imperatives of vaccine top-ups & vaccine passports, which are tools of control & genocide. We must develop a parallel society NOW if we are to have any hope of existing in a libertarian manner over the coming years. It may ultimately prove to be impossible to resist the NWO desire to dominate & cull humanity, they will probably make a determined effort to exterminate members of parallel communities. But it is incumbent upon us that for the sake of history, we must TRY. We can set up parallel societies which remain technological, we do not have to live in a tin shack with an allotment from which we eat vegetables, with berries & mushrooms foraged from the surrounding forest. It is possible to establish parallel societies, as noted we MUST try, for the sake of our legacy, to be known as free human beings who resisted the oncoming tyrrany of the global superstate. Otherwise we are simply sleepwalking into that long dark night, and nobody will remember that we once thought & acted as free men & women. Strategies can be found at James Corbett's 'Solutions Watch' & also the great 'Freedom Cells' site, where the 'Greater Reset' is being coordinated as information source & community booster.

'Libertarian OctaCore parallel community development'! Ask me more, or check out some of my recent threads..

a reply to: keukendeur

Now you go through his entire body of work to prove he didn't say that.

An excellent suggestion if your goal is to misdirect & waste the time of your opponent, bedraggling him with labyrinthine research which could take literally years to accomplish. Better than this, would be a suggestion to look for well-sourced quotes which are directly comparable, from other elitists & eugenics proponents, because it's an absolute certainty that there are buckets of material out there proving that the attitude conveyed in the quote, whether legitimate in this particular case or not, most certainly is extremely common among powerful elitists & those in their circles of influence, going back over hundreds of years.

To say we are not facing a conspiracy of the darkest order, when you frequent this site & have access to all the counter-narrative information which is curated by determined & resourceful members, is willful blindness, or evidence that you are in favour of eugenics-driven policies connected to this 'pandemic'.

History will judge us.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

So because the message in the OP aligns with what you want to hear I am now supposed to accept sub-standard material?

How about the OP researches his material and maybe tries to convince readers who are critical.of this material with variable facts.

That's how it has always been...pic's or it didn't happen.

a reply to: Chalcedony

Thank you. I didn't find that on my quick and lazy search.

If you discover that the author of the book is actually discussing Euthanasia as has been suggested by another member, maybe the thread can switch gears and discuss that.

That isn't a subject that I have thought of much except in the context of "death with dignity".

As of yet, I personally am totally against involuntary euthanasia. Well, actually, my late beloved Cat K. didn't say one way or the other. Kidney failure I'm afraid.

a reply to: ultimatesaviorMessiah

But I only teach the worthy beings, so my requirement is not normal:
– Minimum donation 200,000 USD via cryptocurrency.
– Not allow to share/reveal to any other beings/entities under all circumstances.

It looks like I am not a worthy being. I don't have any cryptocurrency.
Shoot!

Oh! I see. If the rich elites get all Nirvana-ed, then they will stop killing us and what not, and then we unworthies can just go on as normal.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Making statements of that nature should lead to a direct & unequivocal death sentence.
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I hope he is dead, or suffering, because it seems his statement was taken as a game plan.

Please don't check to determine whether he is still alive.

What if I make up a quote by you and it goes viral? Hmmm.

originally posted by: keukendeur
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Did you read the book?

It's not in there...

But who fact checks these things anyway...let's just roll with it.

That includes reading which is really hard I am told!

Also who also Denies Ignorance...fact check your work WAIT WHAT IS THAT?

Hmmmm...for all the chest pounding and jeers about people doing research, 'some' of you clearly didn't "research" too hard! Hope you didn't hurt yourselves in the process. I was able to source the original quote in less than 5 minutes!

First off, the quote is NOT in the OP's referenced book. This much is correct. HOWEVER...

There WAS a quote made by Attali during an interview which was printed in a 1981 book by Michel Salomon entitled "L'Avenir de la Vie". And this quote was the source for what is currently circulating on the interwebz.

The quote in the OP is not a verbatim extraction, and some journalistic license has been taken with the original quote over the years since. However, it's pretty clear that while the quote might not be verbatim, Attali did advocate eugenics as a "tool" for future societies. Equally, he did lament the value of persons over 60-65 years of age.

Here are the actual Attali quotes from Salomon's book...

Page 273

and...

Page 274

...right directly from Jacques Attali's filthy PIE HOLE!!

So, don't go defending this rabid festering NWO POS! He is FAR from being a saint!

ETA - Not to mention the fact that Attali is a fraudster and classic communist socialist pig masquerading as a socialist and hypocrite! I'll bet he doesn't feel the same way about persons over the age of 60 now!! In my opinion, guys like Attali should be at the very front of the Euthanasia line!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Could all very well be but the point isn't what Attali did say, it's what the OP says he said.

fearmongering in it's purest form.

a mis-quote, three lines of text and no link to the original material.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I don't read French. Could someone translate that for me?

Equally, he did lament the value of persons over 60-65 years of age.

What about now? Seems to me that Elitist Titans of industry, capital, and government all seem to be in their 70s and 80s these days. Yet they seem to be able to keep working, sometimes even dying of old age while on the job.

Are we to distinguish retired worn down former physical laborers from old rich people?

a reply to: keukendeur

Whatever. Weren't you the one saying you'd done all these years of research and weren't able to find the source for the original quote??

Well, there it is!

And, Attali is STILL a NWO POS, thief and a fascist! And he HAS been circulating in the Bilderberg circles for decades spouting this bullsh*t as a path forward for humanity. So, in my mind, the exact quote is kind of irrelevant; the simple fact he does in fact espouse these ideas of eugenics as a solution tells me he's likely considered all kinds of ways to 'off' large numbers of people. He's a POS! Period.

Oh, and another thing; it's also pretty clear that some people are trying to whitewash his entire history, to reinvent him. If you need an example go read his wikipedia bio! It reads like he's a saint and a cross between Nostradamus and Al Gore! Definitely gag-worthy. Just take a look at the "talk" page.

a reply to: pthena

Loosely; He says that people older than 60-65 are no longer productive elements of society and they place a burden on the rest of society so the best solution would be for them to just cease to exist. (I think he uses the word "end"...that they should just 'end'.)

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: keukendeur

Whatever. Weren't you the one saying you'd done all these years of research and weren't able to find the source for the original quote??

That is not the source for the quote in the OP

Well, there it is!

That's a philosophical discussion about what would happen if every person would life to be a 120 years old but stopped working at 60/65 (retirement age in France 80's).

It would be unsustainable to keep a country running if your population would stop being productive at half their age but would rely on the other half to keep the place running and take care of them at the same time. The group of elderly would keep growing...it's simple math.

He didn't advocate for euthanasia, he just stated that it would be an inevitability for future generations if healthcare keeps striving to extend a human life.

Not excusing the guy or pretend to know anything about him but it has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

So in this polarized Left/Right divide that we seem to be struggling with, how does that pan out?

The "right" says they are all bootstrappy pullers and achievers and "pull your own weight or die because we don't want to pay your bills".

And left is more like "Tax the rich Fs, because they couldn't have achieved great wealth without the infrastructure built and maintained by society as a whole. They should support society as a whole."

It sort of seems to me that the "right" would favor "clearing out the dead wood" more than the "left".

a reply to: keukendeur

Yes it is the source for the OP's quote. Some other CT'ers paraphrased it, probably a hundred different times over the 4 decades since Attali made it, and like the 'telephone' game it morphed into something slightly different. The basic concept is the same though, but yes, there is no reference to any pandemic (I will grant that, but it changes little). One could easily argue a pandemic or something of the like was implied. Anyway, whatever.

I suggest you read up on this Attali guy, he's a real piece of work, not in a good way either! I doubt you'll be so eager to defend him then! He speaks with forked tongue on about every single thing that comes out of his pie hole. He talks about saving the world...as long as someone ELSE is paying for it. And, if you look at his history, that's pretty much consistent with how he's been all of his crooked life! This guy rates right up there with Karl Marx with his twisted ideas.