What To Do ABout Cuba, From A U.S. Perspective

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

1. Stay away from any form of military intervention or assistance

2. Provide economic/political support to the protestors should they topple the present totalitarian government

3. Support public international trials, Nuremberg-style, for the human rights offenses of the current regime, once toppled

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: NightVision

I'll take a cigar too.

I'm not sure if i've smoked a cigar that wasn't Cuban. They're plentiful in Canada. Though, a Honduran guy I worked with years ago swears up and down the best cigars come from Honduras and that Cuban cigars are trash by comparison. He may have been biased though.

I prefer Dominicans.

I send lots of Cubans to my American buddies though.

Disclaimer: I'm referring to cigars.

The USA should invade and then give Cuba to Canada.

We deserve a tropical location FFS

Nah.

Give Justin to Cuba instead

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: NightVision

I'll take a cigar too.

I'm not sure if i've smoked a cigar that wasn't Cuban. They're plentiful in Canada. Though, a Honduran guy I worked with years ago swears up and down the best cigars come from Honduras and that Cuban cigars are trash by comparison. He may have been biased though.

I prefer Dominicans.

I send lots of Cubans to my American buddies though.

Disclaimer: I'm referring to cigars.

The USA should invade and then give Cuba to Canada.

We deserve a tropical location FFS

Nah.

Give Justin to Cuba instead

You hate communists that much?

Come to think of it, we may be able to rule the world, by threatening nations with our entertainers....

Muhahahaha

I'd give them Zeline Zion, first.

They'd be fleeing the island with canoes, which we'll also provide.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: NightVision

I'll take a cigar too.

I'm not sure if i've smoked a cigar that wasn't Cuban. They're plentiful in Canada. Though, a Honduran guy I worked with years ago swears up and down the best cigars come from Honduras and that Cuban cigars are trash by comparison. He may have been biased though.

I prefer Dominicans.

I send lots of Cubans to my American buddies though.

Disclaimer: I'm referring to cigars.

The USA should invade and then give Cuba to Canada.

We deserve a tropical location FFS

Nah.

Give Justin to Cuba instead

You hate communists that much?

Come to think of it, we may be able to rule the world, by threatening nations with our entertainers....

Muhahahaha

I'd give them Zeline Zion, first.

They'd be fleeing the island with canoes, which we'll also provide.

Right!

I'm cruel that way.

If I was a nice guy, I would have offerred Cuba some Ebola instead of Justin....

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Send in the Mia Khalifa clones to distract any soldiers and police! That should sort things out in a real hurry. They can't defend the idiot communista dick-tator-tot (its name is Canal I think) in power if they can't stand.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Too warm...far too warm...I like collecting mussels and clams from the beach, when they're still alive, not precooked by the ocean

The only way they can experience true freedom is to overthrow their government by any and all means necessary. They have to do it on THEIR OWN....even if blood is shed. Nobody can intervene and do it for them. They would NEVER appreciate their freedom if someone else did it for them.

THEY HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT AND GAIN IT, ALL ON THEIR OWN, TO TRULY APPRECIATE IT WHEN THEY GET IT.

America shed a lot of blood to get where we are today.

Why do we need to do anything about cuba? The cold war has been over for decades now.

I don't think I can argue with anything stated in this thread.

It doesn't matter whether we have Biden or Trump at this particular time, this crosses partisanship. Both sides want to be on the "right" side, and I do believe the people of Cuba deserve better than the spithole that Cuba has become because of communism. Whatever side of the aisle you fall on, we have Biden and that's it and you all KNOW that Biden would love to take advantage of this politically. To be the guy who frees Cuba? Come on.

As Augustus pointed out, this ain't the first time we've tried sneaky stuff in Cuba(and I agree with whoever said the CIA is involved in the protests, why the hell wouldn't they be there?) and it didn't pay off then so again, I ask, because everyone knows that Cuba is a big payoff, what the hell can the U.S. do? We are the worlds police, for better or worse, which I so despise. I don't want my country doing these things but I don't doubt that the CIA is involved, it's what they do best.

1. Stay away from any form of military intervention or assistance

2. Provide economic/political support to the protestors should they topple the present totalitarian government

3. Support public international trials, Nuremberg-style, for the human rights offenses of the current regime, once toppled

I agree with all of that, but like always with world politics, it just ain't that easy. Onions and their damned layers.

I do hope the best for those protesting. They most likely will end up in a "rehab" center for the mentally ill, and that's on a good day. On a bad day.....

ETA: Don't forget the Cuban voters from Miami, they can swing an election quicker than a fly hits the spit. It only took 537 votes in 2000(and well, some really shady tactics but that's not the point) to swing that presidential election. I'd so love to be a politician in Miami, I'd so sway the Cuban community, eating breakfast, lunch and dinner there. Crikey, I'd so love it. I'd sway them just by eating with them. What could be more fun than a whole bunch of people that HATE communism?

No cafecito(SP?), though. I can't do caffeine.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

No offense meant to you, but the US needs to worry about its own problems, and there's plenty to be worried about.

I wish every nation would kick out every American soldier, our soldiers should be here, guarding our borders and bombing the # outta DC.

The States can manage. No Capitol Hill required. No Con-gress needed. All the Governors can Skype and make # happen.

How many genders are there? 47?

Perfect. Every gender gets their own State. And one's left over for the sane citizens. Problem solved.

a reply to: EdisonintheFM

Erm, I'm Canadian.

But, I coulda sworn there was more than 48 States.

Maybe I missed something...

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Asshat mayor Francis Suarez reckons Cuba needs bombing.


Mayor of Miami on Bombing Cuba: ‘That Option Is One That Has To Be Explored’

originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher

what can/should the US do about it?

Here are some top tips from the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The Joint Chiefs expressly proposed arranging, planning, and executing terrorist attacks in Miami and Washington D.C.

These proposed terrorist events would be blamed on Cuba, and were hoped to, if carried out, cause a wave of indignation across the American public mind and provide the popular support for invading Cuba militarily.

Northwoods Document 1962

a reply to: MykeNukem

Continental.

Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and DC.....

🤔

a reply to: ultimatesaviorMessiah
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a reply to: Justoneman

You ever been to Cuba? Plenty of places for Cubans to relax, listen to.music and have a good time.

That said I do not know enough about the protests and while it is temping to go there and find out....that is just not currently feasible right now....for all I know they may turn me away at the Customs dock.

a reply to: karl 12

Today's armchair warriors have long forgotten Northwoods, if they even knew about it.

Today's liberals are war mongers it seems.

originally posted by: Salander

Most likely the protests you see there on TV these days are promoted and enabled by some individuals associated with the CIA.

Certainly the difficulties experienced by all Cubans today is the direct result of years of US sanctions. The same could be said of Venezuela and too many other countries.

Stop fing LYING... You left-wingers keep on lying your arses off when you don't want to admit what has been happening to Cuba...

Cuba has business with 128 countries. They get food and everything for the high ranking communists and even the tourist markets are full of food, and other products regular Cubans can't buy...

What is happening in Cuba, and what has been happening in Cuba since the "socialist/communist revolution" has been caused by the socialist economy and communist dictatorial system...

Most Cubans have now realized this because Obama opened the market once again and helped the dictatorship get more money meanwhile regular Cubans didn't win anything out of Obama's selling out to the communist dictatorship. This is why you see more Cubans now protesting. Because they have first hand experience that the cause is not "U.S. sanctions" which is false propaganda from the communist regime...

Every person claiming "what's happening to Cuba is because of U.S. sanctions" are spreading lies from the communist dictatorship. The same lies the Cuban dictatorship have been telling Cubans since the "socialist/communist revolution..."

A Cuban expat, Alain Paparazzy, living in Panama has posted evidence in the form of official documents showing how several businesses in Panama alone have been doing business with Cuba including with food products. Cuba buys a lot of food at low prices and instead of making that food more readily available for regular Cubans they sell it to other countries "to help spread socialism/communism" to other nations meanwhile Cubans go hungry...

For posting these documents Alain and his family, including his daughter, have received dead threats from communist Cubans whom work for the dictatorship in Panama. He has been accused of being a "terrorist" (similar to democrats claiming the same of Trump supporters) for posting this and other evidence from Panama.

The government of Panama received so many threats and demands from the Cuban dictatorship that they ordered Alain to stop posting and talking about the situation in Cuba or his asylum will be denied and he will be sent back to the dictatorship which will surely kill him...

Here are a couple of those documents...

Here is a translation about the leaks showing how many companies in Panama have been doing business with Cuba, including money laundering, which shows the truth about the Cuban dictatorship and why the Cuban dictatorship doesn't make available the food products and other products they buy from countries like Panama to then sell them elsewhere meanwhile Cubans die of hunger and of illnesses easily treatable.

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In the second delivery of documents, several Cuban joint ventures and legal entities on the island appear linked to the massive leak of documents from the Panamanian firm Mossack Fonseca.

The second installment of the so-called Panama Papers, published this Monday by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), reveals the involvement of several Cuban joint ventures and island legal entities in the massive leak of documents from the Panamanian firm Mossack Fonseca.

In the documents delivered this Monday afternoon, the company Labiofam S.A, Amadis Compañía Naviera S.A, Commercial Mercadu S.A, Travelnet Ltd, B.B. Naft Trading S.A, Técnica Hidráulica S.A, Mavis Group S.A, and Octagon Industria Ltd, Resivemis Limited, Seagulls and Seafood S.A and Pescatlan S.A.

The addresses of all these companies correspond to the exclusive Havana districts of Miramar and Nuevo Vedado.

Among the names of representatives of Cuban companies that have offshore accounts, listed under the category of officers, appear those of Víctor Moro Suárez (president of the Association of Spanish Entrepreneurs in Cuba), Orlando Romero Mérida, Armando Rosales Fernández, Paola Perticone , Lorenzo Paciello, Jeroen J. Van Der Lip, Atilio Enrique Wagner, Inocente Osvaldo Encarnación Santovenia (Tabacuba production director), Antonio González Checa, Forconi Ignacio Miguel Raúl, Katiuska Penado Moreno, José Luis Baena Carrión, Alejandro Gutiérrez Madrigal ( commercial counselor of the Cuban embassy in London) and Wilfredo Leyva Armesto (director of the Institute of Hydraulic Resources).

Under the category of intermediaries appear Atilio Enrique Wagner, Ramón J. Chávez Gutiérrez, Lorenzo Paciello, Miriam Prieto, Wael Bassatina, Corporación Panamericana S.A and Acepex Management S.A.

The database available on the ICIJ website is supported by some 11.5 million documents that belonged to the Panamanian study Mossack Fonseca and contains names of some 214,000 companies and individuals that use offshore companies, in many cases to evade taxes or launder money.

In the first installment, the documents revealed that Cuba executed the contract to provide Venezuela with passports manufactured in Germany and managed by a shell company, acquired from the Panamanian law firm Mossack-Fonseca.

The contracts, which included confidentiality clauses, were executed through transfers and commissions that passed through at least four countries and with the management of a Peruvian lawyer assisted by the Panamanian law firm specialized in facilitating tax havens.

Martí Noticias will continue to report in future installments on the involvement of Cuban companies in the financial scandal.
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patriademarti.com...


ICIJ releases Panama Papers offshore company data

The above link is about all the Panama documents that were leaked, it talks about the money laundering and other crimes committed by various governments and government figures around the entire world. But it also includes the business deals that Cuba has been doing with companies around the world including with food products but that the Cuban dictatorship does not make available to regular Cubans.

originally posted by: jrod

You ever been to Cuba? Plenty of places for Cubans to relax, listen to.music and have a good time.

That said I do not know enough about the protests and while it is temping to go there and find out....that is just not currently feasible right now....for all I know they may turn me away at the Customs dock.

Tourist places are not allowed to be enjoyed by regular Cubans... Stop lying...

HAVANA — Here’s a list of the 12 most absurd prohibitions and limitations that we Cubans have to endure in our homeland. It is worth highlighting that the socialist Government of Cuba applies some of them exclusively to Cuban citizens, while foreign residents and tourists do not suffer from the bans. A curious double standard, no? And worth remembering if you are planning a visit and discover your new Cuban friends can’t join you in the fun.
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Cuba’s 12 Most Absurd Prohibitions That Tourists May Never Notice

You, as a tourist and more so as a far left-winger willing to lie, have no idea what regular Cubans have been going through.

You, as a tourist, can enjoy things in Cuba including beaches that regular Cubans are not allowed to be in...