Something is odd on Here with the Covid Vaccines.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: anonentity

So your ok with people dying even if it can be prevented?

Of course not.

That is why I'm against these dangerous jabs, and in favor of simply using the extremely effective therapeutics that would have prevented 90+% of the deaths.

Refusing/failure to do so just for an agenda/money is criminal, mass murder.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: HawkEyi
So let's try this again. What are the risks of the vaccine,

Pretty bad, seeing as the adverse reactions seen since they were introduced are multiple orders of magnitude higher than those that have shut down other jabs.

what are the risks of covid,

Extremely - extremely low (like, 0.00004%) if the now well known therapeutic options available are used and

which is the better option?

Umm.... let me think... wait...

Ok, got it - I choose life over the jab.

If you can't answer that question, you probably shouldn't be posting on the subject. I already gave numbers and data, your turn.

Yeah, but your numbers are untrustworthy, pure, unadulterated BS.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Why did they allow a vaccine that causes heart inflammation and nervous system problems to be given to the people. That sounds kind of ignorant. I can understand an occasional thrombotic event being acceptable but not the two problems I mentioned above.

That vaccine would have been pulled even five years ago, it is not acceptable.

Have you ever seen at the end of a drug commercial where it scrolls real fast through 100 side effects from rash to death? I don't think I have seen a single one without a massive amount.

The vaccine has a 1000 or so mRNA in it and they do nothing but cause spike protein to develop and that is what the body attacks to build its defenses. The mRNA is gone very quickly and the spike protein is broken down quickly too to have little or none enter the blood stream.

There has been cases with the COVID virus and other viruses where spike protein in full form had been found throughout the body and could cause problems. There was also an experiment where 500 million were injected into rats and the results showed that they could enter the blood stream and cause problems too. mRNA is different in it is a very small amount and broken down with no continuous reproduction as we might see with a virus, nor is it 500 million like in the test.

So it is hard to suggest anything since the data shows not much of anything. In Britain there had been around 1000 deaths out of 40 million vaccinated that are being looked into, but there isn't any findings to suggest the vaccine caused the deaths. Around 9,000 to 10,000 people die in Britain every week and so we are talking about over 24 weeks worth of time with those 1000 deaths after vaccinated, so how many are just the normal death rate event? I would bet most, if not all. Also the weekly rate has been on the very low side of 9000 with a typical 9000 to 9700 range, so there is no spike in weekly deaths either.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

what are the risks of covid,

Extremely - extremely low (like, 0.00004%) if the now well known therapeutic options available are used

Great, show me the source for that.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Extremely - extremely low (like, 0.00004%) if the now well known therapeutic options available are used "

Great, show me the source for that.

No.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: rickymouse
Why did they allow a vaccine that causes heart inflammation and nervous system problems to be given to the people. That sounds kind of ignorant. I can understand an occasional thrombotic event being acceptable but not the two problems I mentioned above.

That vaccine would have been pulled even five years ago, it is not acceptable.

Have you ever seen at the end of a drug commercial where it scrolls real fast through 100 side effects from rash to death? I don't think I have seen a single one without a massive amount.

The vaccine has a 1000 or so mRNA in it and they do nothing but cause spike protein to develop and that is what the body attacks to build its defenses. The mRNA is gone very quickly and the spike protein is broken down quickly too to have little or none enter the blood stream.

There has been cases with the COVID virus and other viruses where spike protein in full form had been found throughout the body and could cause problems. There was also an experiment where 500 million were injected into rats and the results showed that they could enter the blood stream and cause problems too. mRNA is different in it is a very small amount and broken down with no continuous reproduction as we might see with a virus, nor is it 500 million like in the test.

So it is hard to suggest anything since the data shows not much of anything. In Britain there had been around 1000 deaths out of 40 million vaccinated that are being looked into, but there isn't any findings to suggest the vaccine caused the deaths. Around 9,000 to 10,000 people die in Britain every week and so we are talking about over 24 weeks worth of time with those 1000 deaths after vaccinated, so how many are just the normal death rate event? I would bet most, if not all. Also the weekly rate has been on the very low side of 9000 with a typical 9000 to 9700 range, so there is no spike in weekly deaths either.

Breaking down the spike protein requires special enzymes in the body, enzymes which certain food chemistries can increase or inhibit. Eat certain foods and it will possibly destroy the spike protein quickly, before immunity has a chance to develop quickly, but block the enzyme that breaks down the spike protein and it will continue to be active and in circulation, the spike proteins are active till deactivated they can go elsewhere in the body and attach to recepters. This is what I learned from scientific research, one covid research mentioned that the spike proteins created if not neutralized can still cause problems and do not rapidly break down like the mRNA does.

That immunity created does not just happen in the lymph node by the injection site, people are getting swollen lymph nodes in the necks, face, breasts, and even some in the groin area. They have researched this and have found that the mRNA and created spike proteins are not limited to the vaccination area, in fact they now say that the majority of people actually have some go out of the vaccine site.

The cover up of the side effects of this vaccine is criminal...they want people to focus on the Johnson vaccine side effects and the mRNA vaccine side effects are much worse and diverse.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Yeah, but your numbers are untrustworthy, pure, unadulterated BS.

To be honest, I don't think I have found a single "fact" used by anti-vaccers that wasn't misquoted, out right false, or used in a dishonest way. On the other end it has been pretty straight forward information, not inflated or manipulated.

I'm one to look at all data and IF the data says the vaccine is bad then so be it, no agenda here my friend, but when the CDC says that "4000 people have died within xx time of getting the vaccines with zero correlations, but they will continue to monitor," and that gets turned into "4000 persons have died to the vaccine" and it is used over and over it is a rather big agenda there wouldn't you say. This type of tactic is done over and over, so every time I talk to someone about it all that say the vaccine is bad I get nothing back but total crap as facts...lol

I would be on your side in an instant if data was shown to support what you and other suggest, but it hasn't when one does just a short amount of research.

I have said many times that anyone 40 and under and healthy most likely do not need the vaccine, but boy the odds of having issues go up rather quickly when you add in age and preexisting conditions.

Now the thought that everyone needs the vaccine to reduce mutations is an area I have not really looked into, so IDK one way or the other if 100% vacced would support this or not.

originally posted by: rickymouse

That immunity created does not just happen in the lymph node by the injection site, people are getting swollen lymph nodes in the necks, face, breasts, and even some in the groin area. They have researched this and have found that the mRNA and created spike proteins are not limited to the vaccination area, in fact they now say that the majority of people actually have some go out of the vaccine site.

The cover up of the side effects of this vaccine is criminal...they want people to focus on the Johnson vaccine side effects and the mRNA vaccine side effects are much worse and diverse.

The deal is that we are talking an extremely small amount to what the virus actually creates or something like the experiment did with 500 million injected into rats, we are talking around 1000, and yes the mRNA is gone rather quickly and the cells mostly break down the spike proteins into fragments. What this means is the spike protein generated by a Covid-19 vaccine doesn’t assemble into new viral particles, unlike the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2.

I don't think there has ever been a more observed drug in the history of mankind. Every person is noted and followed up if any effects are seen, and we are talking billions...This is unprecedented oversite never seen before.

When we look at some of these concerning situations they get blown out of proportion rather quickly. Looking at one from Israel where they said that they have found 275 cases of "mild" myocarditis out of 8 million+ vaccinated, so what does that mean? Did they have it before the vaccine, did the vaccine help create it? Being mild, did it actually create any real health issues? Who knows... But boy it was used as a weapon wasn't it...lol

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Extremely - extremely low (like, 0.00004%) if the now well known therapeutic options available are used "

Great, show me the source for that.

No.

Like all your other comments, can't back any of it. Thanks for proving me right, again.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Like all your other comments, can't back any of it. Thanks for proving me right, again.

You're welcome, and thank you for the confirmation that I would be wasting my time.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Ive tried explaining with the number of doses we are talking about it's safer than birth control. Women have to deal with this it's known it causes blood clots yet it's rare so women take the risk. Roughly 1 percent or 10 out of 1000 women get blood clots from birth control. What is the statistics for the covid vaccine? Statistically severe reactions causing hospitalization are in 2 out of every 10000.

Deaths are harder to track because often it's a breakthrough case where even though they got. It appears to be 91 percent effective. Just like the latest statistics the CDC released said 98 percent of covid deaths are unvaccinated.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: visitedbythem
They are scrubbing the internet to hide all injuries and deaths related to the injections. I dont even call them vaccines. Over 400,000 affected or killed so far and counting. Yet there will be people along shortly to defend the jabs with regurgitated lies they are told daily. My close friend died after getting the injection. My daughters friend died after getting the injection. The husband of the woman who died believes he now may have MS. How quaint. There will be those along shortly to say Im lying, or make fun of my information. I suspect by this winter people who accepted the experimental injection will begin dropping like flies from cytokine storms, just like the test animals did. I think they used ferrets, because their lungs have similarities to human.

Keep in mind, that the defenders of this injection, have no clue, that they are among the "Walking Dead".

Dropping like flies….you cant wait! You are practically rubbing your hands together in anticipation….

Your statement is false.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: visitedbythem

So according to you 400000 people have died and no one noticed?

The population size of say Miami and no one noticed? You do know actual deaths have declined since the virus was distributed? odd how can the number of deaths be on the decline yet you are claiming it's killing people.

Just so you know covid deaths is 603,958
Total Deaths Reported in a 2-year span.

Your statement is false. Key word: affected

My daughters friend who died... Now the husband thinks he has MS. I wish you hadnt of taken the jab, and you will too

originally posted by: dragonridr

Ive tried explaining with the number of doses we are talking about it's safer than birth control. Women have to deal with this it's known it causes blood clots yet it's rare so women take the risk. Roughly 1 percent or 10 out of 1000 women get blood clots from birth control. What is the statistics for the covid vaccine? Statistically severe reactions causing hospitalization are in 2 out of every 10000.

Deaths are harder to track because often it's a breakthrough case where even though they got. It appears to be 91 percent effective. Just like the latest statistics the CDC released said 98 percent of covid deaths are unvaccinated.

The problem is people are only going to cherry pick what fits their narrative or beliefs. I been called a big pharma stooge here and that is far from the truth. I look at the evidence on all sides to make my opinion, and I have yet found a single reliable evidence to support the vaccine is worst than any other drug, even aspirin.

The interesting part is let infect 1000 people over the age of 40 and see how many die, stay weeks in a hospital, end up with long term issues. What also makes me scratch my head is people do not want a low number of mRNA that ends up as a miniscule amount of spike proteins fragments that is just enough to trigger a defense response, but getting the full blown virus is OK as it pumps a never ending supply of fully formed and active spike proteins that do get into your blood in huge amounts and even your brain.

Now most still walk away with no issues in either case, but HELL, am I the only one that sees the difference, and seeing the virus as the lessor of the two as pure insanity....geez

originally posted by: visitedbythem

My daughters friend who died... Now the husband thinks he has MS. I wish you hadnt of taken the jab, and you will too

So you are saying that you know a couple that the wife died from the vaccine and the husband got MS from it?

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: visitedbythem
They are scrubbing the internet to hide all injuries and deaths related to the injections. I dont even call them vaccines. Over 400,000 affected or killed so far and counting. Yet there will be people along shortly to defend the jabs with regurgitated lies they are told daily. My close friend died after getting the injection. My daughters friend died after getting the injection. The husband of the woman who died believes he now may have MS. How quaint. There will be those along shortly to say Im lying, or make fun of my information. I suspect by this winter people who accepted the experimental injection will begin dropping like flies from cytokine storms, just like the test animals did. I think they used ferrets, because their lungs have similarities to human.

Keep in mind, that the defenders of this injection, have no clue, that they are among the "Walking Dead".

Dropping like flies….you cant wait! You are practically rubbing your hands together in anticipation….

Your statement is false.

Nah, you are eager to be correct. You are a ghoul. Look what you have posted even after Ive shown you to be an ass:
“I wish you hadnt of taken the jab, and you will too”. This is an insult to our intelligence. Its not helpful in anyway to anyone at all, except your very twisted need to virtue signal by pushing fear at others.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: dragonridr

Ive tried explaining with the number of doses we are talking about it's safer than birth control. Women have to deal with this it's known it causes blood clots yet it's rare so women take the risk. Roughly 1 percent or 10 out of 1000 women get blood clots from birth control. What is the statistics for the covid vaccine? Statistically severe reactions causing hospitalization are in 2 out of every 10000.

Deaths are harder to track because often it's a breakthrough case where even though they got. It appears to be 91 percent effective. Just like the latest statistics the CDC released said 98 percent of covid deaths are unvaccinated.

The problem is people are only going to cherry pick what fits their narrative or beliefs. I been called a big pharma stooge here and that is far from the truth. I look at the evidence on all sides to make my opinion, and I have yet found a single reliable evidence to support the vaccine is worst than any other drug, even aspirin.

The interesting part is let infect 1000 people over the age of 40 and see how many die, stay weeks in a hospital, end up with long term issues. What also makes me scratch my head is people do not want a low number of mRNA that ends up as a miniscule amount of spike proteins fragments that is just enough to trigger a defense response, but getting the full blown virus is OK as it pumps a never ending supply of fully formed and active spike proteins that do get into your blood in huge amounts and even your brain.

Now most still walk away with no issues in either case, but HELL, am I the only one that sees the difference, and seeing the virus as the lessor of the two as pure insanity....geez

Im sick of the irrational fear porn that is coming from the unvaxed. The current admin is finding yet another way to make us scrap with each other to keep our eyes off them. Now its the vaxxed vs the unvaxxed. I DO NOT support any kind of reward or coercion to take the vax. Sooner or later, herd immunity will be achieved. If nothing else, the hospitals and medical infrastructure can handle it better and natural immunity will occur. This is why I do not support vaxing children, even tho some will die of covid. An extended family member, 28 years old died of COVID. perfect health . His cousin, 26, on dialysis for a kidney problem he was born with, also caught it and survived.

But everyone is a freaking expert…..

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted
This is why I do not support vaxing children, even tho some will die of covid. An extended family member, 28 years old died of COVID. perfect health . His cousin, 26, on dialysis for a kidney problem he was born with, also caught it and survived.

But everyone is a freaking expert…..

Below 40 and healthy, especially children really do not need it, and we should have opened schools a year ago and let the virus do its thing. This virus effects people under the age of 19 less than the normal flu does which at times hits the young harder than older people.

My son last year went to college and they had a massive COVID party for a week with 10,000 of them getting it all at the same time. They had like 1 day of small fever and 3 days of no smell then all was good.

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: visitedbythem
They are scrubbing the internet to hide all injuries and deaths related to the injections. I dont even call them vaccines. Over 400,000 affected or killed so far and counting. Yet there will be people along shortly to defend the jabs with regurgitated lies they are told daily. My close friend died after getting the injection. My daughters friend died after getting the injection. The husband of the woman who died believes he now may have MS. How quaint. There will be those along shortly to say Im lying, or make fun of my information. I suspect by this winter people who accepted the experimental injection will begin dropping like flies from cytokine storms, just like the test animals did. I think they used ferrets, because their lungs have similarities to human.

Keep in mind, that the defenders of this injection, have no clue, that they are among the "Walking Dead".

Dropping like flies….you cant wait! You are practically rubbing your hands together in anticipation….

Your statement is false.

Nah, you are eager to be correct. You are a ghoul. Look what you have posted even after Ive shown you to be an ass:
“I wish you hadnt of taken the jab, and you will too”. This is an insult to our intelligence. Its not helpful in anyway to anyone at all, except your very twisted need to virtue signal by pushing fear at others.

A ghoul is a trans-human. I didnt take the jab. Im not a trans-human

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: visitedbythem
They are scrubbing the internet to hide all injuries and deaths related to the injections. I dont even call them vaccines. Over 400,000 affected or killed so far and counting. Yet there will be people along shortly to defend the jabs with regurgitated lies they are told daily. My close friend died after getting the injection. My daughters friend died after getting the injection. The husband of the woman who died believes he now may have MS. How quaint. There will be those along shortly to say Im lying, or make fun of my information. I suspect by this winter people who accepted the experimental injection will begin dropping like flies from cytokine storms, just like the test animals did. I think they used ferrets, because their lungs have similarities to human.

Keep in mind, that the defenders of this injection, have no clue, that they are among the "Walking Dead".

Dropping like flies….you cant wait! You are practically rubbing your hands together in anticipation….

Your statement is false.

Nah, you are eager to be correct. You are a ghoul. Look what you have posted even after Ive shown you to be an ass:
“I wish you hadnt of taken the jab, and you will too”. This is an insult to our intelligence. Its not helpful in anyway to anyone at all, except your very twisted need to virtue signal by pushing fear at others.

A ghoul is a trans-human. I didnt take the jab. Im not a trans-human

ghoul
/ɡo͞ol/

noun: ghoul; plural noun: ghouls

1. an evil spirit or phantom, especially one supposed to rob graves and feed on dead bodies.
2. a person morbidly interested in death or disaster.


Nowhere in that definition says anything about ‘trans-human’. Im using 2. clearly fits exactly what you are up to