FDA to Link China Virus "Vaccine" to Guillain-Barré Syndrome

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: neutronflux

Being able to be sued should be part of them getting approval.

Then how do you hold companies is the USA accountable?

I just said being able to be sued should happen.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Got. I apologize.

originally posted by: nonspecific

Sorry, I don't have a meme explaining how tiring it is to provide links when demanded, only to have them discarded because the source isn't acceptable, or of the source is acceptable, some other reason for ignoring it is manufactured.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Just so we have good solid info:

The genome of SARS-CoV-2 is (supposedly) ~30k RNA bases and the last I checked, the PCR tests for ~300. That segment of 300 bases could be present outside of just a coronavirus. Its literally ~1% of the total sequence.

Compounding this are the amplification cycles, which are not standardized. In fact, it appears there are different standards according to vaccinated vs unvaccinated and this speaks to the possibility of massaged data.

If this is the case, we would expect to see positive PCR results from seemingly unrelated sources. Which we do.. However, it is difficult to make solid assertions without further exploration.

After all, PCR tests have indeed led to false, localized epidemics in the past.

Regarding blood clots, this has indeed been a well known aspect of more severe cases of covid. However, these appear to be the result of our immune system going a bit "crazy" and can and do appear elsewhere.

This is important when considering the possibility of different causes for the diagnosis of "covid."

It is taken as a given that covid is only precipitated by SARS-CoV-2, but I dont believe this is as much of a sure thing as some would like to think. This is an uphill battle in a world where even the "experts" continue to conflate covid (the disease) and SARS-CoV-2 (the virus). They are not interchangeable.

I believe there is the possibility that covid (the disease) is a blanket diagnosis for something that is making our immune systems go wonky, and this could be compounded by a novel virus.

If this is the case, we would expect to see everything from cytokine storms to auto-immune and general inflammatory conditions rise in prevalence. But even if vague "environmental factors" are the cause, I would expect this to be a relatively slow rise over time. Perhaps with a noticeable increase as it reached some breaking point in the population, leading to a widespread problem that is assumed to be caused by a virus in its entirety. Finding data on this, or much of anything medical related, has become extraordinarily difficult.

And to be clear on vaccines.. At least until we have actually brought our society to a baseline level of health, I believe most vaccines should be treated much the same as chemo; an occasionally useful tool in the medicine bag, but absolutely not something to be thrown around everywhere. Much less attempt to apply it to the entire population.. Otherwise, its a bit like adding some random crap to a cars gas tank in order to fix a cracked block and broken camshaft.

You fool no one.

You are not choosing to refuse to provide links you are unable to provide them as they are not there to provide.

You make extraordinary claims yet fail to provide extraordinary evidence.

You can try and spin it anyway you want but it's fooling nobody.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific

Sorry, I don't have a meme explaining how tiring it is to provide links when demanded, only to have them discarded because the source isn't acceptable, or of the source is acceptable, some other reason for ignoring it is manufactured.

So what would you speculate are possible causes of covid the disease that is screwing with the human immune system?





a reply to: Serdgiam

originally posted by: nonspecific

You fool no one.

I'm not trying to.

I and others have posted lots of links backing everything up. You and yours have casually dismissed them.

Not playing that game any more.

Ok we shall both pretend that you put up lots and lots of really well presented, fact based links to real evidence.

You sure put me in my place with all that!

I'll just go and hang my head in shame for getting everything so wrong.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: nonspecific

You fool no one.

I'm not trying to.

I and others have posted lots of links backing everything up. You and yours have casually dismissed them.

Not playing that game any more.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
Compounding this are the amplification cycles, which are not standardized. In fact, it appears there are different standards according to vaccinated vs unvaccinated and this speaks to the possibility of massaged data.

When did lab techs become psychic, you know, so they know who was vaccinated and who wasn't since they have literally zero idea.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Ok we shall both pretend that you put up lots and lots of really well presented, fact based links to real evidence.

You sure put me in my place with all that!

I'll just go and hang my head in shame for getting everything so wrong.

Thank you.

This is a screenshot of the UK figures from the .gov website.

Would you say these show a correlation between vacinated and unvaccinated people that would show they give results based on who has had the jab or not?

I don't see it personally.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Serdgiam
Compounding this are the amplification cycles, which are not standardized. In fact, it appears there are different standards according to vaccinated vs unvaccinated and this speaks to the possibility of massaged data.

When did lab techs become psychic, you know, so they know who was vaccinated and who wasn't since they have literally zero idea.

It's simple...

SARS-CoV-2 has spikes.

Your immune system will attack anything with these spikes.

COVID vaccines provide instructions to your healthy cells so they create these spikes.

What does your immune system see?

It sees spikes coming out of what used to be healthy cells...

Your immune system will attack these healthy cells.

That is called autoimmune disease.

ALL the COVID vaccines could give you autoimmune disease!

Surely you should be submitting a paper for review and contacting the governments of the world about this?

It's too serious to just put up on a conspiracy website, lives are at stake here.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
It's simple...

SARS-CoV-2 has spikes.

Your immune system will attack anything with these spikes.

COVID vaccines provide instructions to your healthy cells so they create these spikes.

What does your immune system see?

It sees spikes coming out of what used to be healthy cells...

Your immune system will attack these healthy cells. That is called autoimmune disease.

ALL the COVID vaccines could give you autoimmune disease!

originally posted by: nonspecific
So what would you speculate are possible causes of covid the disease that is screwing with the human immune system?





a reply to: Serdgiam

General immune dysfunction can be caused by a huge array of factors. While I believe it is highly likely it would be a confluence of longterm circumstances (decades), the primary targets for investigation would be: Food supply, general mental health/stress levels, vaccination schedules (both childhood and seasonal), pharmaceuticals, pollution, the electromagnetic fields of the modern world, etc. It will be regional, of course, so some areas will deal with everything from lead pipes to improper waste management. But it all affects our immune systems, and importantly, can also increase susceptibility to pathogens.

So disease and illness would be examined from a foundation of environmental factors and then extrapolated from there. We would explore ways to actually benefit immune systems, on average, instead of fight with them or deliver immediate pharmaceutical intervention (with a new patent, naturally). Itd be an active field & industry, versus only handling public health crises when they reach the level of a lawsuit or crisis.

Some of these lead to direct public health consequences which are known to be compounding factors in pretty much every illness, virus, bacterial infection, & disease and neither covid or coronaviruses are unique in this regard. In other words.. things we can probably agree on; obesity, diabetes, heart disease, vitamin & mineral levels like Vit D, stress levels, pollution, etc. If the fear and coercion tactics deployed to gain compliance also included movement in these directions, I think we would see more trust.

..But I would also be ok with Authorities simply encouraging folks to get some sunlight, maybe exercise a bit, get some houseplants that process indoor pollution, maybe even learn how to meditate. At least with something approaching the same fervor and consistency as masks, lockdowns, and vaccines.

Instead, its moving in a direction of "you dont have to do anything but consume product!" Kind of like those weight loss pills that directly advertise that "you dont have to change at all, just take this pill!" Sure, in a lot of cases, they will cause weight loss.. but its not exactly "healthy."

Honestly, I dont see much of anything moving in the direction of actually improving health on a meaningful scale. I just see a lot of marketing for corporate products and services that, historically, have created a lot of problems for public health.

As an important note, even though the above scenario would imply that vaccination against a coronavirus would not necessarily confer any protection against covid.. It would also introduce the possibility that the Guillain-Barre Syndrome might not be directly caused by the vaccine in these cases either.

Nor am I saying that vaccines are inherently "bad." Just that we have a ton of stuff we should probably address long before attempting to apply a pharmaceutical treatment to "everyone."

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.

a reply to: nonspecific

They are already aware of it.

I suppose anything that would help would be dependent on your country's healthcare system.

As I live in the UK and our healthcare is "free" then anything that can improve overall well-being and health can help the system. I have recently seen that they plan incentive schemes for exercise that are due to he trialled soon. This seems strange but as they feel the financial cost of the incentives will be far less than the long term cost of treatment it makes sense.

I'm not sure why they would so similar nothings in the US as with private healthcare there's no one to provide a service that will not benefit anyone financially right?

originally posted by: Serdgiam

originally posted by: nonspecific
So what would you speculate are possible causes of covid the disease that is screwing with the human immune system?





a reply to: Serdgiam

General immune dysfunction can be caused by a huge array of factors. While I believe it is highly likely it would be a confluence of longterm circumstances (decades), the primary targets for investigation would be: Food supply, general mental health/stress levels, vaccination schedules (both childhood and seasonal), pharmaceuticals, pollution, the electromagnetic fields of the modern world, etc. It will be regional, of course, so some areas will deal with everything from lead pipes to improper waste management. But it all affects our immune systems, and importantly, can also increase susceptibility to pathogens.

So disease and illness would be examined from a foundation of environmental factors and then extrapolated from there. We would explore ways to actually benefit immune systems, on average, instead of fight with them or deliver immediate pharmaceutical intervention (with a new patent, naturally). Itd be an active field & industry, versus only handling public health crises when they reach the level of a lawsuit or crisis.

Some of these lead to direct public health consequences which are known to be compounding factors in pretty much every illness, virus, bacterial infection, & disease and neither covid or coronaviruses are unique in this regard. In other words.. things we can probably agree on; obesity, diabetes, heart disease, vitamin & mineral levels like Vit D, stress levels, pollution, etc. If the fear and coercion tactics deployed to gain compliance also included movement in these directions, I think we would see more trust.

..But I would also be ok with Authorities simply encouraging folks to get some sunlight, maybe exercise a bit, get some houseplants that process indoor pollution, maybe even learn how to meditate. At least with something approaching the same fervor and consistency as masks, lockdowns, and vaccines.

Instead, its moving in a direction of "you dont have to do anything but consume product!" Kind of like those weight loss pills that directly advertise that "you dont have to change at all, just take this pill!" Sure, in a lot of cases, they will cause weight loss.. but its not exactly "healthy."

Honestly, I dont see much of anything moving in the direction of actually improving health on a meaningful scale. I just see a lot of marketing for corporate products and services that, historically, have created a lot of problems for public health.

As an important note, even though the above scenario would imply that vaccination against a coronavirus would not necessarily confer any protection against covid.. It would also introduce the possibility that the Guillain-Barre Syndrome might not be directly caused by the vaccine in these cases either.

Nor am I saying that vaccines are inherently "bad." Just that we have a ton of stuff we should probably address long before attempting to apply a pharmaceutical treatment to "everyone."

Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.

a reply to: IAMTAT



the story is according to FOUR unnammed people


MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of people have gotten various covid shots and i got mine almost a full year ago and i and a whole hospital and medical school of students are JUST FINE>


all you people saying vaccines are the devil are like people saying people would die on a train because it went to fast.


the vaccine WILL hurt some people and that is just a fact of life, the thing is if it wasn't this vaccine it would have been something later that took these people out.

if you look at the people who are dying from allegedly getting the shot had a WHOLE HOST of problems before covid or the vaccine.




how many of you are MD's? and if you say you are than show your credentials otherwise get a grip

a reply to: tanstaafl

Bitchute videos are not sources. Please feel free to post actual sources and actual data.

a reply to: penroc3

My consent form for the Pfizer vaccine asked whether or not I had GG. That was months ago. It is pretty likely anything with covid 19 can cause GB.