A Question on Masonic Matters

originally posted by: Panartisis
Hi, I have a question for any masons out there and would be grateful for an answer, the answer is quite hard to find on the net... so heres the question.

In order to be accepted into the Masons you have to have a belief in a supreme being that is higher than you, Yes!
But what if your belief is that the supreme being is like the other half of you, or you are an opposite reflection of that being.
Or even if your belief was that you were that supreme being, could you still get in if you did not bow to a supreme being, or take an oath stating that there was a higher power than you?

Thanks

In short, no.

a reply to: Panartisis

Bingo. "THEY"....created social media...and the systems to operate, moderate, control and direct.

And ..they own the sites. Satellites to send....all of it.

Have a great day!

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I have a question not to hijack this thread but I see a lot of stuff about how that Supreme being can also be lucifer and actually that is what is taught in higher level masonry is that lucifer is actually Jesus. I read a lot of wacky stuff just wondered if you would bestow your input on that?

Can't speak to Masons in that exact detail, that is, Lucifer being Jesus. This sounds too weird. This is not so in the large body of other schools of Luciferian Satanism, that run the narrative Lucifer is the true light, will use that word light a lot, as a code word for Satan, that God, the Lord Jesus, is a definitively different Person, is the killjoy, party pooper of “do as thou wilt” doctrine, trying to restrict freedom they have broken free of the fetters of, really that the devil is the life of the party, pick your own morality, be your own god, key, and that's good, that’s the light. They would deny that the devil comes to deceive, kill, steal and destroy, even destroys his deluded own, as if to go stupid to the entirety of history and the human condition, where defiance of God’s righteous demands have been the source of all unnecessary human misery. They’re as moronic as to believe just because Lucifer means light-bringer, have blinders he fell from that status, deny he is darkness itself, and will be their own downfall. But they're happy in their smutty lifestyle that allows scratching any itch and trampling anybody they feel they need to get one over on or wronged them, to advance their narcissistic ends, and lie like rugs in the process, deception even key to their self image of being more clever.

Many Satanists are sex and drug addicts, feeling good about their addictions a heavy attraction of having a permissive god. A true Satanist, in the depths, even believes Lucifer will triumph, that the other half of yet unfulfilled Bible prophecy will not come true, like Satan will destroy Israel, first, before the prophetic destiny of Israel unfolds. Satanists are also prone to racism and anti-Semitism, at the core see themselves as Nietzschean ubermensch, cut from the cloth of the likes of Hitler. Truth is, it takes more intelligence and strength to navigate life by means of truth and righteousness. The devil, himself, flees the resisting righteous, is just a con artist. He needs reprobate people to actually pull gun triggers of malice, put it that way.

In any event, I’ve never heard of a Satanist that states Jesus IS Lucifer, rather that Lucifer is their Jesus figure, the good guy, that opposes the killjoy Lord Jesus. Pretty lame to say that of the sinless One that walked this earth, when you look at what sinners have done, throughout recorded civilization.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

a reply to: Panartisis

You need to accept that there is a supreme being.
What that is though, is left up to you to decide.

If your lying to your potential brothers before even joining, your only sabotaging yourself.

Being a Mason is about learning how to become a better person - be the best you, every day.
If your looking for the secret entrance into King Tuts tomb, your going to find what we do very boring lol.
Very boring in fact.

a reply to: Macenroe82

I was looking at the first degree oath and seen the worship of the material light and i know that people say that could be Lucifer or something, but it immediately made me think of the fake light of the Archons.

Looking at the oath for the first degree i see some interesting things that could mean this or that, but ultimately its all very cryptic and you can take what you want from it.

I dont believe all this is chance, something intelligent must have created this. But we could be that intelligence, possibly even like spirit trapped in matter.

There is a lot of false information in this post about masons, requirements, etc. I had to log in to try to clear some of it up. I know some people will try to argue but it is what it is. It always amazes me that non masons know more about freemasonry than actual masons.

(Quick side note, I do not speak for all Freemasons, I am just telling it how it is. Hopefully my thoughts are not all over the place. I am trying to type this while I am working)

Freemasons are not some secret society that control everything. Most of the time we are struggling to even plan weeks in advance for events, dinners, raffles, ect.

I saw one person say that some “mason” tried to recruit them. There are masons that we call clandestine. They are not true Freemasons and they are not recognized by real Freemasons. They might be good people or do good things but most of them that I have seen are a part of a scam. I get illuminati requests on Instagram from them all the time. People outside of the craft rarely know about them and think that all Freemasons are the same. The reason I bring this up is that real Freemasons will never recruit. It is against the rules. They want people that are interested to come to a lodge and check them out. Quality over quantity even though it is probably one of the reasons our membership numbers are dwindling.

I doubt that you can get out of a ticket because you are a mason. I have not tried and probably won’t. We try to hold ourselves to a higher standard because we are a mason. If a police officer is a mason, they will probably write you a ticket just because if it. I do not have any emblems on my car because I know I like to drive fast and don’t want people to associate freemasons with my driving habits.

There are social connections but it is like any other organization or workplace. For example, if you know your coworker has a roofing business, you will go to them to see if they can help you out. I would not try to join just for connections, you will just be wasting your time. I have seen a lot of people join and stop coming once they figure that out. Usually we can figure it out and explain it to them before they join so they won’t be wasting everyone’s time.




To answer your original question about higher power and wanting to join. I can’t say for sure but my guess is no, but that is not a bad thing. The main reason is that you probably won’t get anything out of it because the lessons are biblical based. Freemasonry is not a religion but complements religion by lessons that you can learn. Some other fraternity / charity organization like the elks might be a better fit for you if you are just wanting to join an organization.

The second reason is that we try to maintain peace and harmony within the lodge. That is the reason religion and politics is not allowed to be discussed inside a lodge. Those two topics divide men more than anything else. For example, lucifer could be considered a higher power but if we allow someone to join that worships him then it will cause disorder between the members and people would not come to meetings anymore. Without members a lodge will fall apart. I am not saying that your beliefs are the same as worshiping Lucifer, but having unorthodox beliefs might cause some issues.



If you or anyone else is still interested in Freemasonry, I would look at your state’s Grand Lodge website and/or find a lodge that is near you. Go check them out on one of their stated meeting nights and get to know them. They will answer any questions that you have and will probably feed you dinner at the same time. If you decide that Freemasonry is not for you, at least you get a good meal out of it. Just know that it is a commitment and will take a lot of your own personal time to become a mason.

I will try to answer any questions that you have but I might be slow to reply

originally posted by: Threeknocks
I saw one person say that some “mason” tried to recruit them. There are masons that we call clandestine. They are not true Freemasons and they are not recognized by real Freemasons.

I was the person the recruitment was attempted on. This Mason was a long standing Mason, in the highest echelon of his lodge, one of his selling points that being a Mason has advantages, like a lot of police giving you a pass, which he, himself, said worked well for him, flashing his Mason card, if he got pulled over. I also happen to have known this man, that he, at least, had honest and honorable intentions in his walk as a human being, that he never lied about anything else, a fine family man, that I could consider him a friend of character, which he was. I believe your Mason is not the other guy's whole Masonic lodge, therefore, since, by whatever criteria, this Mason I knew rose to the top, somehow this rogue, as you characterize him, was worshipful, in his lodge.

originally posted by: Scrutinizing

originally posted by: Threeknocks
I saw one person say that some “mason” tried to recruit them. There are masons that we call clandestine. They are not true Freemasons and they are not recognized by real Freemasons.

I was the person the recruitment was attempted on. This Mason was a long standing Mason, in the highest echelon of his lodge, one of his selling points that being a Mason has advantages, like a lot of police giving you a pass, which he, himself, said worked well for him, flashing his Mason card, if he got pulled over. I also happen to have known this man, that he, at least, had honest and honorable intentions in his walk as a human being, that he never lied about anything else, a fine family man, that I could consider him a friend of character, which he was. I believe your Mason is not the other guy's whole Masonic lodge, therefore, since, by whatever criteria, this Mason I knew rose to the top, somehow this rogue, as you characterize him, was worshipful, in his lodge.

I don't know the details so I did not mean to offend you or anything but it is in the rules for my entire state that we can not recruit. He might have done it anyways just because he knows you but you should make that choice to join under your own free will. I know Prince Hall masons do things a little bit differently so I can not speak for them. But both organizations are recognized as real masons and we are able to go visit each other's lodges or have masonic communications with each other. Not trying to talk down on your friend or cause offence but in general I would be skeptical of joining if the selling point is what advantages that you can have if you join.

Threeknocks hit the nail on the head with his post. And, in response to Scrutinizing, your friend may have been a Lodge officer etc., but, if he only looked to Masonry for benefits and connections, it’s obvious that he missed the whole point. It happens. People are going to sometimes be who they really are inside no matter what.

originally posted by: Threeknocks

originally posted by: Scrutinizing

originally posted by: Threeknocks
I saw one person say that some “mason” tried to recruit them. There are masons that we call clandestine. They are not true Freemasons and they are not recognized by real Freemasons.

I was the person the recruitment was attempted on. This Mason was a long standing Mason, in the highest echelon of his lodge, one of his selling points that being a Mason has advantages, like a lot of police giving you a pass, which he, himself, said worked well for him, flashing his Mason card, if he got pulled over. I also happen to have known this man, that he, at least, had honest and honorable intentions in his walk as a human being, that he never lied about anything else, a fine family man, that I could consider him a friend of character, which he was. I believe your Mason is not the other guy's whole Masonic lodge, therefore, since, by whatever criteria, this Mason I knew rose to the top, somehow this rogue, as you characterize him, was worshipful, in his lodge.

I don't know the details so I did not mean to offend you or anything but it is in the rules for my entire state that we can not recruit. He might have done it anyways just because he knows you but you should make that choice to join under your own free will. I know Prince Hall masons do things a little bit differently so I can not speak for them. But both organizations are recognized as real masons and we are able to go visit each other's lodges or have masonic communications with each other. Not trying to talk down on your friend or cause offence but in general I would be skeptical of joining if the selling point is what advantages that you can have if you join.

No, you don't offend me in the very least. I don't know enough about inner Masonic workings or the group to say anything, can only relate my experience and its implications, that contrast from your experience you mention so dogmatically. In any case, your stating your view of this Mason is from your deeper experience, and I cannot but respect whatever your truth is that calls out my friend, then. On a grand moral scale, I didn't see getting off with fellow Masonic policemen as much ado more than stealing a pen from work, which I had a few of at home. For a very long time, I didn't know this man, as a Christian one of my favorite people, that he was a Mason, just loved him as a thoughtful, mature, straight shooter, and I don't recall, but he was way up there, maybe 25 years or so a Mason, a 30 or 30-something Mason. He told me there was so much he couldn't tell me, when I started asking some things, but not like I really cared, pressed him, had any intent on wearing a Playboy bunny apron or doing secret decoder ring sorts of stuff. You want to talk insult, they wouldn't have wanted me, couldn't have kept a straight face, at any solemnity. But no, your post was very interesting, not offensive at all. I've always thought, of any truth, that truth is never a matter of what you want to hear, and added truth is added knowledge. We also each have our subjective realities that are what they are. So, to the contrary, thank you!

originally posted by: SonofaSkunk
Threeknocks hit the nail on the head with his post.

But the question is, can he really lay a brick?

a reply to: Scrutinizing

I remember I was asked/recruited when I was overseas in the military. I believe a lot of the military lodges are Prince Hall but I am not for sure on that. I thought for years that the only way to join was to be recruited but that is not the case. That's why I brought up PHA ( prince hall), they might do things differently.

originally posted by: Scrutinizing

originally posted by: SonofaSkunk
Threeknocks hit the nail on the head with his post.

But the question is, can he really lay a brick?

I do have a stonecutters polo shirt

originally posted by: Threeknocks

I do have a stonecutters polo shirt

Well, guess that's one stonecutter that won't be allowed inside Walmart.

originally posted by: Threeknocks
a reply to: Scrutinizing

I remember I was asked/recruited when I was overseas in the military. I believe a lot of the military lodges are Prince Hall but I am not for sure on that. I thought for years that the only way to join was to be recruited but that is not the case. That's why I brought up PHA ( prince hall), they might do things differently.

Never heard of Prince Hall. I do remember, as a child, being recruited to call drug stores and ask them if they had Prince Albert in a can, or call neighbors and ask if their refrigerator is running. And there was Perry Mason.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

Prince Hall Freemasonry was historically for African Americans. It is not that way anymore and anyone can join. Visiting one of their lodges for a meeting is on my bucket list but I have not had time to do much of anything lately.

Threeknocks, you know how you sometimes see something, the total context doesn't congeal, something's off, but it doesn't click, right away? Of your post, it dawned on me what it was, how you excoriated a Mason recruiting, yet:

"If you or anyone else is still interested in Freemasonry, I would look at your state’s Grand Lodge website and/or find a lodge that is near you. Go check them out on one of their stated meeting nights and get to know them. They will answer any questions that you have and will probably feed you dinner at the same time. If you decide that Freemasonry is not for you, at least you get a good meal out of it. Just know that it is a commitment and will take a lot of your own personal time to become a mason. I will try to answer any questions that you have but I might be slow to reply."

Is a recruitment broadcast not recruitment, with even a little bribery thrown in? Stick the Army in there, and everybody would know what your job is. What kind of officer would they call you? Just saying.

Masonry has been said to be by just about every famous high up who ever came clean about it a two sided thing. A dumb club for average people which covers up real masonry which is the temple of Lucifer attended by his blood relatives. And that's not crazy conspiracy theory, it's literally their most sacred belief and was exposed some time ago. Two animals call themselves humans on this planet. Need proof? Why do the royals still sesrch and blood test to make sure RH- members only join their ranks? And the fact it kills the baby to mix is strange ain't it. Gotta watch first 23 min u interrupted but most important conspiracy on earth by far but still nobody knows.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

A Mason tried to "recruit" you?

You sure he was an actual Mason?
We do not canvas for new members. Its not what were about.
As far as I know, "To be one, ask one" is upheld in every Lodge.
Thats not just a catchy saying or bumper sticker.

I've heard of instances of so called "fake" lodges in the USA though.
Those are Lodges that are not recognized by the States Grand Lodge.
I'm fairly certain every district - at least here in Canada, will have a list of chartered Lodges on the Grand Lodges website.

ETA: I finally read through all the comments and see my above comment was brought up already.