Dementia and statins.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: rickymouse

But does statins and read yeast rice pose the same issues for dementia?

I don't know. I do not think mushrooms cause dementia and almost all types lower cholesterol. With the Oyster mushroom being pretty strong with levostatin chemistry.

Yeast rice is fermented chemistry and that can increase dopamine in some people and off balance the dopamine to acetylcholine ratio somewhat I suppose. But eating eggs, even in egg drop soup should provide enough acetylcholine to balance things. I do not believe Yeast rice blocks acetylcholine like some meds do.

But I have not researched yeast rice, every food chemistry is different. Now, this article states that yeast rice causes a release of acetylcholine from the nerve endings...but how does that relate to the brain and dementia I can't say....till I find research on it. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: Panartisis

I don't know much about the lion's mane mushroom. I never saw any of that around here, it must be expensive or something so not many places carry it around here. I had some oyster mushrooms with my omlet tonight, got some of those this morning from someone I know who got them at a food bank. They are pretty good tasting but too much at a time can cause me problems. Tastes good sauted with onions though, gave the omlet a good flavor.

I tend to look for medicinal foods that are common and easy to get at a reasonable price. Medicine does not need to be expensive.

It takes a lot of time to research a specific food like a specific mushroom type, so I tend to focus on ones that we can get locally, I probably have eight hours research on the white button mushrooms, and another eight on the portabella types. I probably have forty hours researching research on the birch tree mushrooms and this does not even include identifying the mushrooms, just the active chemicals in them and method of action medicinally.

a reply to: rickymouse
My father was put on statins several years ago. My parents didn't live close by so most communication was via phone calls. I wasn't made aware of his new RX. His Dr put him on it and that was that. Until...I started to notice he was repeating himself frequently in conversations. He would comment he hadn't heard from me in some time, which I talked to them every couple of days. I'd remind him of our previous conversation which he couldn't recall from two days ago. I finally asked my mother what was going on with him. She thought it was just getting older. At the time he was in his late 60s. The decline of his sharp memory was apparent. I asked my mother if he was on any new meds. That's when the newest addition of RX came out. I'm work with dementia patients and know all about mental decline in those drugs. I told her to contact his Dr and have let them know the decline that was taking place and that he wanted to be taken off of them. Naturally, the Dr disagreed with the RX being the culprit. He stopped the drug and within a couple of months was back to his old self. I also had my mother give him unprocessed coconut oil for the MTC.

originally posted by: summer5
a reply to: rickymouse
My father was put on statins several years ago. My parents didn't live close by so most communication was via phone calls. I wasn't made aware of his new RX. His Dr put him on it and that was that. Until...I started to notice he was repeating himself frequently in conversations. He would comment he hadn't heard from me in some time, which I talked to them every couple of days. I'd remind him of our previous conversation which he couldn't recall from two days ago. I finally asked my mother what was going on with him. She thought it was just getting older. At the time he was in his late 60s. The decline of his sharp memory was apparent. I asked my mother if he was on any new meds. That's when the newest addition of RX came out. I'm work with dementia patients and know all about mental decline in those drugs. I told her to contact his Dr and have let them know the decline that was taking place and that he wanted to be taken off of them. Naturally, the Dr disagreed with the RX being the culprit. He stopped the drug and within a couple of months was back to his old self. I also had my mother give him unprocessed coconut oil for the MTC.

The major part of coconut oil is Lauric acid. It is like forty percent of the MTC in it. I use the refined coconut oil quite a bit in cooking, refining it does not destroy the lauric acid or monolaurin. Mixing lauric acid with alcohol forms monolaurin...kind of simple way to make a medicine isn't it?

Of course organic coconut oil is the best, that is all we use. The brain likes burning lauric acid for fuel, that is one of the good medicines that nature provides. Of course too much is too much, moderation is necessary. Butter also has some lauric acid plus it contains Butyrate which is converted to Butyric acid when it hits the stomach acids which aids the intestines and takes away the necessity of the gut microbes making the Butyrate out of plants chemistry. Let the animal with four compartment specialized stomach areas make it for us.

a reply to: rickymouse

Would taking acetylcholine occasionally prevent this problem? Should it even be a problem in individuals?



a reply to: rickymouse

Do you know, does ghee also contain butyrate?

a reply to: rickymouse

I have tried different statins over the years. Last Month, my cardiologist wanted me to try again. I tried and took myself off a week ago. I had headaches, nausea, moodiness and just felt like pure crap.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: rickymouse

Would taking acetylcholine occasionally prevent this problem? Should it even be a problem in individuals?



a reply to: rickymouse

Do you know, does ghee also contain butyrate?

I know ghee contains butyrate, but I do not know how much it has. It doesn't taste as much like butter as butter tastes and the taste of butter is the taste of butyrate. They can make that flavoring and I think the flavoring in oleo is butyrate.

It is often hard to find reliable information on flavorings to identify if the flavoring is actually bioactive and has the same properties. Like the ginger flavoring found in ginger brandy, it is a powdered form of ginger and it looses a lot of it's beneficial properties yet retains some of the properties that help to fight viruses....ginger brandy is a part of my Hot Toddi and it took me a while to find if the flavoring is beneficial in fighting colds. It supposedly is according to some chemistry databases. There are a lot of chemicals in ginger though and I was only looking to verify one chemistries activeness to increase the power of the drink. Real ginger is better, but when you are sick you don't feel like boiling chopped ginger for half an hour to make a juice out of it.

If you take red rice yeast you have to be careful the brand you use, big pharma got away with the FDA regulating over the amount of statin in some red rice yeast.

And you need COQ10.

Also Serrapeptase enzymes is good for cholesterol and nattokinase, I use all of them.

a reply to: Night Star

The major cause of high blood pressure in the modern world is Dairy especially cheese, but who would know that in a world where sickness is profit and control.

a reply to: marg6043
A lot of RYR has CoQ10 in it.
But yeah..

I take RYR with my doctor's blessing....And it has worked.
I am able to go from 4 pills to one a day.

Also pretty much eliminated dairy from my diet.

a reply to: rickymouse
My doctor put me on statins and gabapentin both messed with my head big time and the night cramps were murder . Brain fog is a understatement for years I moaned about dementia and got fobbed off by a never ending line of idiots ,I chucked them in the bin and feel better now 5-6 years of my life gone ,it got to the stage where I was getting up to make a cuppa and would forget half way there what I was doing and my vocabulary consisted of aa,ah ,and mm .

My put down to them is being. Dyslexic doctor I struggle to spell Paracelsus but at least I know who he was ,as they have not got a clue to most things unless they can input it into the British national formulary and get a answer for it from a computer screen .

I also noticed that the information years ago about 800.000 deaths in Europe due to statins seems to have vanished down a memory hole ?

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: rickymouse
My doctor put me on statins and gabapentin both messed with my head big time and the night cramps were murder . Brain fog is a understatement for years I moaned about dementia and got fobbed off by a never ending line of idiots ,I chucked them in the bin and feel better now 5-6 years of my life gone ,it got to the stage where I was getting up to make a cuppa and would forget half way there what I was doing and my vocabulary consisted of aa,ah ,and mm .

My put down to them is being. Dyslexic doctor I struggle to spell Paracelsus but at least I know who he was ,as they have not got a clue to most things unless they can input it into the British national formulary and get a answer for it from a computer screen .

I also noticed that the information years ago about 800.000 deaths in Europe due to statins seems to have vanished down a memory hole ?

The worst part about statins is they tend to lower the human squalene in the body which is a lipid based chemistry. That squalene is used by the body to help protect us from microbial infections. The heart and parts of the brain use lipids for energy too. So brainfog is a side effect, and the reduction in the power to the heart does reduce blood pressure a bit, and also excitability...but the drawback is that it can also cause some side effects if you are active in some people, the heart might not increase blood flow enough if the heartbeat is not strong enough when it is beating slower.

My concern is if the benefit actually justifies the side effects that can result in some people. That brain fog can lead to accidents, and the weakness could result in falls. You cannot focus on just one thing when you treat symptoms, you have to evaluate things on the whole pictures. Sure you do reduce some risks but increase others in some people.

Yes, Statings can help some but can cause problems in others. A natural form of statin is found in oyster mushrooms, levostatin, and it too does have some negative effects if you consume too much of those.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: rickymouse
My doctor put me on statins and gabapentin both messed with my head big time and the night cramps were murder . Brain fog is a understatement for years I moaned about dementia and got fobbed off by a never ending line of idiots ,I chucked them in the bin and feel better now 5-6 years of my life gone ,it got to the stage where I was getting up to make a cuppa and would forget half way there what I was doing and my vocabulary consisted of aa,ah ,and mm .

My put down to them is being. Dyslexic doctor I struggle to spell Paracelsus but at least I know who he was ,as they have not got a clue to most things unless they can input it into the British national formulary and get a answer for it from a computer screen .

I also noticed that the information years ago about 800.000 deaths in Europe due to statins seems to have vanished down a memory hole ?

The worst part about statins is they tend to lower the human squalene in the body which is a lipid based chemistry. That squalene is used by the body to help protect us from microbial infections. The heart and parts of the brain use lipids for energy too. So brainfog is a side effect, and the reduction in the power to the heart does reduce blood pressure a bit, and also excitability...but the drawback is that it can also cause some side effects if you are active in some people, the heart might not increase blood flow enough if the heartbeat is not strong enough when it is beating slower.

My concern is if the benefit actually justifies the side effects that can result in some people. That brain fog can lead to accidents, and the weakness could result in falls. You cannot focus on just one thing when you treat symptoms, you have to evaluate things on the whole pictures. Sure you do reduce some risks but increase others in some people.

Yes, Statings can help some but can cause problems in others. A natural form of statin is found in oyster mushrooms, levostatin, and it too does have some negative effects if you consume too much of those.

They put me on statins after my 6 heart attacks 5 years ago but it was the Gabapentin that was causing the brain fog /dementia , l binned the statins but as soon as I stopped the Gabapentin my memory started to return ,it is still not perfect but after 10 years of Gabapentin. It might take a while this is a major problem with these quacks they do not look at what other problems you have when prescribing medicine . I have a liver condition called anti tripasin deficiency , COPD, asthma etc yet they still give me medicine that warns not to take it ?

They haven't got a flipping clue for the last 25 years I have been asking them nicely can I have diazipam for sleep the answer has always been no and I am no mad pill popping mad funkie .

I showed the nice lady doctor a little trick with a magnet and a capsule of Flucloxacillin/ penicillin that I emptied the powder out of .

I hope the doctors I have had over the years sleep with one eye open because old stoner Will be doing a late night call very very soon .

I will add the words phycian heal thy self as I finish my house call

originally posted by: stonerwilliam

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: rickymouse
My doctor put me on statins and gabapentin both messed with my head big time and the night cramps were murder . Brain fog is a understatement for years I moaned about dementia and got fobbed off by a never ending line of idiots ,I chucked them in the bin and feel better now 5-6 years of my life gone ,it got to the stage where I was getting up to make a cuppa and would forget half way there what I was doing and my vocabulary consisted of aa,ah ,and mm .

My put down to them is being. Dyslexic doctor I struggle to spell Paracelsus but at least I know who he was ,as they have not got a clue to most things unless they can input it into the British national formulary and get a answer for it from a computer screen .

I also noticed that the information years ago about 800.000 deaths in Europe due to statins seems to have vanished down a memory hole ?

The worst part about statins is they tend to lower the human squalene in the body which is a lipid based chemistry. That squalene is used by the body to help protect us from microbial infections. The heart and parts of the brain use lipids for energy too. So brainfog is a side effect, and the reduction in the power to the heart does reduce blood pressure a bit, and also excitability...but the drawback is that it can also cause some side effects if you are active in some people, the heart might not increase blood flow enough if the heartbeat is not strong enough when it is beating slower.

My concern is if the benefit actually justifies the side effects that can result in some people. That brain fog can lead to accidents, and the weakness could result in falls. You cannot focus on just one thing when you treat symptoms, you have to evaluate things on the whole pictures. Sure you do reduce some risks but increase others in some people.

Yes, Statings can help some but can cause problems in others. A natural form of statin is found in oyster mushrooms, levostatin, and it too does have some negative effects if you consume too much of those.

They put me on statins after my 6 heart attacks 5 years ago but it was the Gabapentin that was causing the brain fog /dementia , l binned the statins but as soon as I stopped the Gabapentin my memory started to return ,it is still not perfect but after 10 years of Gabapentin. It might take a while this is a major problem with these quacks they do not look at what other problems you have when prescribing medicine . I have a liver condition called anti tripasin deficiency , COPD, asthma etc yet they still give me medicine that warns not to take it ?

They haven't got a flipping clue for the last 25 years I have been asking them nicely can I have diazipam for sleep the answer has always been no and I am no mad pill popping mad funkie .

I showed the nice lady doctor a little trick with a magnet and a capsule of Flucloxacillin/ penicillin that I emptied the powder out of .

I hope the doctors I have had over the years sleep with one eye open because old stoner Will be doing a late night call very very soon .

I will add the words phycian heal thy self as I finish my house call

The gabapentin quickly takes away your ability to reason. The Statins take longer to have an effect, after a year it starts to give you brain fog and only after years of use does it increase dementia risk. It can take the normal decline from dementias from happening at eighty to ninety years old and make it so you get it at sixty to seventy years old.

I am talking long term effects with statins, not so much the immediate response. I have known a lot of people who were put on statins and most discontinued them because of side effects after between three months to a year, because they noticed things were not right and the doctors were pushing other meds to cover up the side effects. All of those that quit got most of their reasoning back and were more alert. I also know some people who have used statins and had no side effects that they noticed, that is maybe twenty percent of the people I know that had taken them. The other thirty percent who stayed on them had more illnesses after about six months or so. So 50% quit them, 30 percent seemed to have more chance of catching stuff, and 20 percent had no problem. Now that does not sound like it is a good result to me.

What brings more lipids into our system is chemistry in food that increases the mixing of lipids and water, that would be emulsifier chemistry added to foods. The body usually has a regulatory system that absorbs or restricts absorbtion of lipids built in, so emulsifier chemistry increases the uptake of lipids through a more direct absorbtion pathway. Foods often have emulsifier chemistry built in, milk does, so does eggs, but our bodies know how to deal with those....we have been eating them for many generations, so many of us evolved epigenetically to deal with them. Stuff like carangeenan and polysorbate 80 and polyethylene glycol, they can upset the balance for a few generations till we evolve to eat them. Stuff like guar gum, we have been using that for three or more generations, the negative side effects are disappearing somewhat in the young.

The increase in use of new emulsifiers in prepared foods kind of correlates with increased cholesterol levels in the blood, our bodies can only detox and burn so much of the lipids. Also when we increased the consumption of starches and sugars which use different enzymes to supply energy, the enzymes to utilize lipids decreased, so the levels are higher in the blood stream. The liver takes out the cholesterol, it needs taurine to form the bile to regulate the process to both absorb or excrete the lipids. Taurine use will bring down triglycerides the most along with reducing ldl to a less amount. but if there is no call for the energy of fats to be burned, they still build up in the body....so carbs and sugars consumed regularly will in effect retard the use of the lipids.

It took me a lot of research and time thinking about this stuff then verifying it with legit research to be able to comprehend what is happening. The problem is that instead of telling people how to control this, they push pills and not many people actually have the time to do the kind of research I do.

There are also genetic abnormalities that can cause high cholesterol, but if one out of a hundred people have that genetics, I would be surprised. it is our diet that is screwed up, the cereal companies got us hooked on the opiate peptides in the grains to draw our addiction to that chemistry and as a side effect we aren't burning the fats off like we are supposed to...look at how many people in this society here in America are having health issues related to this. If you can't burn the stored fat for energy, then it just stays there and you are hungry and eat more Brown or beige fat form from the cold or from eating less carbs for energy...look at the breaded chicken strips people think are great tasting and healthy, full of carbs coating them. Also, chicken meat without the fat still contains more fat in the meat that you can't even see than lean beef does. Lean beef contains around 45% fat, lean chicken contain 55%

When statins came into the market, they did such a great job lowering cholesterol fast, but they were to be use only in extreme cases with people that their cholesterol was endangering their life and only to be use temporarily.

They were not for the regular people with high cholesterol due to diet and health styles, the reason was simple, pharma knew statins were dangerous to people.

Now as usual all for profits takes away the safety of people and well long-time effects of statins is not of pharma concern.

Now this greedy bastard wants even children on statins for life.

The more side effects the more miracle pills to be given and more profits to make.

Yes, originally they did do good because they were given most frequently to people who really did have a real problem.

Well, they have recently found a new treatment for people with alzheimers. I can see the result of this new treatment, it will set the guys straight. It will keep the women who revert back to their teenage years happy.

scitechdaily.com...

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: rickymouse

But does statins and read yeast rice pose the same issues for dementia?

I don't know. I do not think mushrooms cause dementia and almost all types lower cholesterol. With the Oyster mushroom being pretty strong with levostatin chemistry.

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TextBut I have not researched yeast rice, every food chemistry is different. Now, this article states that yeast rice causes a release of acetylcholine from the nerve endings...but how does that relate to the brain and dementia I can't say....till I find research on it. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...PMC6901015/

i picked up some shio koji i guess its the japanese version of RYR. and tried it out on lamb loin and chicken wings. awesome. marinated them in it. it's low in salt.

a reply to: rickymouse

I read the source, and did not find my answer about these anti- dementia benefits for women. Interesting discovery!

thanks for the thread OP and to everyone with posts.

i have enough to keep me busy on this stuff.