UK Official Covid Vaccine Report More Vaxxed Dying of Delta Than Unvaxxed

a reply to: MetalThunder

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a reply to: AaarghZombies

LOL, reading your post reminds me of reading advertising brochures from pharmaceutical companies.

a reply to: djz3ro

Simple English not your thing, eh?

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: djz3ro

Simple English not your thing, eh?

Simple seems to be your thing, though.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: KansasGirl
They claim that the drugs simply MIGHT lessen the severity of symptoms.

Their claim is meaningless. What matters is the data. The data the OP linked shows extremely high levels of protection against the delta variant. So high that you are a moron if you are an at risk individual and don't get the vax.

The therapy reduces your absolute risk of severe disease/dying by around 0.5% from someone who has not been injected. And you must inject 100,000 people to save 2 - 11 lives from COVID19, but for every 100,000 people you inject, you get 4 deaths and 16 very adverse effects (myocarditis, blindness, deafness, paralysis, tremors), so medically the injection is about as harmful as the disease - the only difference being you actually have to catch the disease first, to get your 0.5% increased absolute risk, whereas if you get the injection, you knock out those odds straight away.

If you're over 70, I would think an injection is worth it. 60-70 is a tricky age to know what to do, and under 50 you're probably safer without an injection. Remember, in Sweden, the virus has been allowed to run free wherever it pleases with no lockdowns, and in two flu seasons worth of COVID19, 111 people in their 40s have died. That works out to 0.005% or 1 in 20,000.

It's worth adding that a new generation of injections is on the way that give longer immunity from a much smaller dose, but I agree with what you say about at-risk individuals - for them, the therapy is worth the risk.

a reply to: Quartet

Completely false and the data proves it so. Use your flawed math and answer me a question. If we have 110 deaths, and 80% of the population is vaccinated, how many vaccinated would be dead?

Using your math the answer would be 87-88, yet the real world number is 50.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: djz3ro

Simple English not your thing, eh?

No, i understand English, your facts were lacking.

a reply to: Realtruth

More Vaccinated individuals are getting sick and mysteriously dying all over the world, than those who have natural immunity through recovery from Covid-19.

Hopefully these 186 million people ( www.worldometers.info... ) knew not to get vaccinated, and have successfully resisted the pressure to do so.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Realtruth

More Vaccinated individuals are getting sick and mysteriously dying all over the world, than those who have natural immunity through recovery from Covid-19.

Hopefully these 186 million people ( www.worldometers.info... ) knew not to get vaccinated, and have successfully resisted the pressure to do so.

Can you source that people are better off not being vaccinated and catching covid?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Realtruth

More Vaccinated individuals are getting sick and mysteriously dying all over the world, than those who have natural immunity through recovery from Covid-19.

Hopefully these 186 million people ( www.worldometers.info... ) knew not to get vaccinated, and have successfully resisted the pressure to do so.

Where does your source say that?

Do you have one?

In the long run, Covid is going to evolve a way around the Vax. Just like the flu does every year.

It will also evolve a way around your antibodies, after you catch it and recover.

But which one do you think it will defeat the fastest? The one that varies from person to person? Or the one that 70% of the population have in common?

Which one do you think it will smack down on the worst, after it does evolve?

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Natural immunity my sir Watson!

originally posted by: DarkestConspiracyMoon
I wonder what the typical vaccine shills/lovers will say about this one.

Well, the anti-vaxxers have an inclination to misuse statistics, either because they don't understand them, or they are always trying to make things up to support their flaky narrative. Is that the feedback you are after?

On to the report. It's a wealth of statistics and I cannot find where the OP has the asserted his conclusions. What the report does say is that in the reporting period 1st Feb to 21 June, the following was found.

Over 50's
- Unvaccinated -- 976 got Covid and 38 died - a fatality rate of c. 4%
- 2 dose vaccinated -- 3,546 got Covid and 50 died - a fatality rate of c. 1.5%

Under 50's
- Unvaccinated -- 52,846 got Covid and 6 died - a marginal fatality rate
- 2 dose vaccinated -- 3,689 got Covid and none died

The conclusion of the above is realtively easy to work out.

1. You can get Covid after you are vaccinated, which is well understood.
2. If you get Covid after vaccinated you are less likely to die than if you are unvaccinated by a significant margin.
3. The vulnerable group is the over 50’s which is well understood.
4. If you are under 50 and unvaccinated you are more likely to die than if you are vaccinated, but the chances of dying are low anyway.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Realtruth

More Vaccinated individuals are getting sick and mysteriously dying all over the world, than those who have natural immunity through recovery from Covid-19.

Hopefully these 186 million people ( www.worldometers.info... ) knew not to get vaccinated, and have successfully resisted the pressure to do so.

Where does your source say that?

Do you have one?

www.news-medical.net...

There hasn't been much effort to look at natural immunity in COVID, but the Cleveland Clinic did a decent cut at it (50k people). It appears at least as good and the numbers support it being slightly better than the vax. The reality is, more effort should be made to look at this instead of just demanding everyone vax whether they have had it or not. It's a real data point that would support earlier herd immunity if confirmed as those numbers could be added to the vax numbers.

This is supported by most historically vaccinated diseases. While it may not be "safer" in some cases, once you've gotten it, the immunity is generally stronger and longer lasting (measles, chicken pox, etc.).

What's funny/sad, is almost every study/paper prior to Covid acknowledged this but made a case for vax as a safer route. Now you find them all downplaying even the idea of natural immunity.

www.cidrap.umn.edu...
decades of protection from 1918 flu

a reply to: paraphi

When you factor in that 80% of the over 50's group are vaccinated it shows how protective the vaccine is. Especially since most of the deaths were older, and as you go up in age the vaccine rate also increases.

Completely made up statistic, but it begs to question why you didn’t apply the same logic when we were told covid is the cause of death for seniors. You must now agree covid couldnt be the cause of death for seniors, a group plain more likely to die, as you say.


But right, we’ve established your motive here is to insert drivel in other threads on the subject.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Realtruth

so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Remember that Correlation does not imply Causation. It is the hardest thing to figure out and what is mostly screwed up.

Given that the vaxxed population includes about 98% of all seniors, we're talking about a group that's just plain more likely to die regardless of their covid status.

It's silly to compare a group that mostly consists of children and teenagers to one that includes the oldest and most vulnerable, and to expect consistent data.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Interesting article from the BBC here.

I know, some of you Yanks will dismiss the source. Us Brits know the BBC is actually quite anti establishment.

BBC News - Covid-19: Recent claims about cremations and vaccines fact-checked
www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Halfswede

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Realtruth

More Vaccinated individuals are getting sick and mysteriously dying all over the world, than those who have natural immunity through recovery from Covid-19.

Hopefully these 186 million people ( www.worldometers.info... ) knew not to get vaccinated, and have successfully resisted the pressure to do so.

Where does your source say that?

Do you have one?

www.news-medical.net...

There hasn't been much effort to look at natural immunity in COVID, but the Cleveland Clinic did a decent cut at it (50k people). It appears at least as good and the numbers support it being slightly better than the vax. The reality is, more effort should be made to look at this instead of just demanding everyone vax whether they have had it or not. It's a real data point that would support earlier herd immunity if confirmed as those numbers could be added to the vax numbers.

This is supported by most historically vaccinated diseases. While it may not be "safer" in some cases, once you've gotten it, the immunity is generally stronger and longer lasting (measles, chicken pox, etc.).

What's funny/sad, is almost every study/paper prior to Covid acknowledged this but made a case for vax as a safer route. Now you find them all downplaying even the idea of natural immunity.

www.cidrap.umn.edu...
decades of protection from 1918 flu

Your source? Is rubbish.
Flame away

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Realtruth

More Vaccinated individuals are getting sick and mysteriously dying all over the world, than those who have natural immunity through recovery from Covid-19.

Hopefully these 186 million people ( www.worldometers.info... ) knew not to get vaccinated, and have successfully resisted the pressure to do so.

Can you source that people are better off not being vaccinated and catching covid?

Doesn’t need a source. It’s common sense.
Look at the VAERs data. Compare the past 6 months to the past 30 years. What do you see? It’s concerning to say the least. What percent of the actual adverse events are even captured on VAERS? What reporting metric other than VAERs do we have to gauge the safety of the “vaccines”? We have fully documented cases of the mRNA vaccines killing kids, one died of a heart transplant. We have a working theory of why the vaccine is causing these adverse reactions. We have zero long term data with these experimental medical treatments. Nearly every single one of us has stories of people having terrible reactions to the “vaccines”. Factor all that in with a lower risk of dying of COVID-19 than influenza, and you can see why most people would refuse to get the “vaccines”.... some people on here seem desperate to get the entire human population inoculated with these experimental medical treatments, when there is absolutely unequivocally no need to do that whatsoever at this point. This is not just medical malpractice, this is clearly a nefarious agenda driven motive.

a reply to: SeventhChapter

So you have no source and no data to back up what you say. When you have actual data to present rather than 'I just know' then we can discuss it. When facts don't matter, discussion is meaningless.