Psychiatry Pseudoscience?

"Virtually every leading psychiatrist in North America between the 1940s and the 1970s was involved in some aspect of the CIA’s mind control research.” 

Colin A. Ross, M.D.

Came across these two short videos whilst looking into the CIA/Rockefeller sponsored MKUltra experiments and thought there was some pretty revealing content being discussed about how there exists no actual evidence for any of the claims made in psychiatry (and how it's all just based on opinions from vested interests).

Perhaps we should look deeper before blindly trusting "authorities" with our mental health.

Also, as award acceptance speeches go, thought this was a bit of a classic from Dr. Jeffrey Schaler who raised some rather thought provoking points.

Dr. Jeffrey Schaler Professor of Psychology describes psychiatry as a pseudo science.

When it comes to pharmaceutical cartel sponsored psychiatry then there are also some pretty powerful statements being made here by various medical professionals.

Would be interested to hear any thoughts on them or the content of the vids.

a reply to: karl 12

Haven't seen these yet but there's a full length documentary by CCHR called The marketing of madness available on dvd.
I've got it and would recommend finding it if possible. Did a brief search on YouTube but couldn't see it although I only had a quick look.

They also did - Making a killing: the untold story of psychotropic drugging.
Haven't got that one yet but still looking.

a reply to: karl 12
You would sort of expect the MK ultra lot would be involved somewhere as their raison d'être was to tinker with peoples minds.

I thought the main reason Psychiatry was "pseudo" was because its all based off Freuds work-who by anyones standards was a crazy,weird,strange,drug addled oddity of a man.

obviously the very best person to listen to to fix mental health issues!

Psychiatry has an enormous amount of control, which is extremely dangerous.
The best way of delegitimizing a person is to have a 'doctor' call them 'crazy'

a reply to: rom12345

It works the other way round these days.

If a doctor has any kind of questions about the pandemic narrative, it only takes a couple of journalists to "diagnose" them as suddenly going insane and half the world believes them.


Are medicines created for diseases or are diseases created for medicines?

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Freud is psychology. That's a different field.
Psychiatry is the belief mental problems come from imbalances or disfunctions in the brain, which is mostly unproven.

Thanks for the replies and did notice that every site (but one) hosting the relevant quotes had been taken down.

Pretty sobering reading for those who have been convinced by these people to give their loved ones psychotropic drugs.

"'Mental illness’ is terribly misleading because the ‘mental disorders’ we diagnose are no more than descriptions of what clinicians observe people do or say, not at all well established diseases 

Statement of Allen Frances, Psychiatrist and former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman,  2015




“While DSM has been described as a ‘Bible’ for the field, it is, at best, a dictionary…. The weakness is its lack of validity. Unlike our definitions of ischemic heart disease, lymphoma, or AIDS, the DSM diagnoses are based on a consensus about clusters of clinical symptoms, not any objective laboratory measure. In the rest of medicine, this would be equivalent to creating diagnostic systems based on the nature of chest pain or the quality of fever.”

Thomas Insel, Director of the National Institute of Mental Health




“There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” “There is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bull—. I mean, you just can’t define it.” 

Allen Frances, Psychiatrist and former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman




“Virtually anyone at any given time can meet the criteria for bipolar disorder or ADHD.  Anyone.  And the problem is everyone diagnosed with even one of these ‘illnesses’ triggers the pill dispenser.” 

Dr. Stefan Kruszewski, Psychiatrist




“Despite more than two hundred years of intensive research, no commonly diagnosed psychiatric disorders have proven to be either genetic or biological in origin, including schizophrenia, major depression, manic-depressive disorder, the various anxiety disorders, and childhood disorders such as attention-deficit hyperactivity. At present there are no known biochemical imbalances in the brain of typical psychiatric patients—until they are given psychiatric drugs.”

Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist




"While there has been “no shortage of alleged biochemical explanations for psychiatric conditions…not one has been proven. Quite the contrary. In every instance where such an imbalance was thought to have been found, it was later proven false.” 

Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist




“The theories are held on to not only because there is nothing else to take their place, but also because they are useful in promoting drug treatment.”

Dr. Elliott Valenstein Ph.D., author of Blaming the Brain




“There is no blood or other biological test to ascertain the presence or absence of a mental illness, as there is for most bodily diseases. If such a test were developed … then the condition would cease to be a mental illness and would be classified, instead, as a symptom of a bodily disease.”

Dr. Thomas Szasz, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, New York University Medical School, Syracuse




“We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate ADHD is due to a brain malfunction.” 

Final statement of the panel from the National Institutes of Health Consensus Conference on ADHD




"DSM IV is the fabrication upon which psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine in general. Insiders know it is more a political than scientific document. To its credit it says so — although its brief apologia is rarely noted. DSM IV has become a bible and a money making best seller — its major failings notwithstanding. It confines and defines practice, some take it seriously, others more realistically. It is the way to get paid. Diagnostic reliability is easy to attain for research projects. The issue is what do the categories tell us? Do they in fact accurately represent the person with a problem? They don’t, and can’t, because there are no external validating criteria for psychiatric diagnoses.”   

Psychiatrist Loren Mosher, former Chief of NIMH’s Center for Studies of Schizophrenia, head of Schizophrenia Research, National Institute of Mental health




“The way things get into the DSM is not based on blood test or brain scan or physical findings. It’s based on descriptions of behavior. And that’s what the whole psychiatry system is.” 

Dr Colin Ross, Psychiatrist




“Psychiatry has never been driven by science. They have no biological or genetic basis for these illnesses and the National Institutes of Mental Health are totally committed to the pharmacological line. … There is a great deal of scientific evidence that stimulants cause brain damage with long-term use, yet there is no evidence that these mental illnesses, such as ADHD, exist.” 

Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist 




 “No claim for a gene for a psychiatric condition has stood the test of time, in spite of popular misinformation.” 

Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist





“In reality, psychiatric diagnosing is a kind of spiritual profiling that can destroy lives and frequently does.”

Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist




“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients [have] been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” 

Dr. David Kaiser, Psychiatrist




“There’s no biological imbalance. When people come to me and they say, ‘I have a biochemical imbalance,’ I say, ‘Show me your lab tests.’ There are no lab tests. So what’s the biochemical imbalance?” 

Dr. Ron Leifer, Psychiatrist




“No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease.  That’s not what diseases are. Diseases are malfunctions of the human body, of the heart, the liver, the kidney, the brain. Typhoid fever is a disease. Spring fever is not a disease; it is a figure of speech, a metaphoric disease. All mental diseases are metaphoric diseases, misrepresented as real diseases and mistaken for real diseases.”

Thomas Szasz, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus




“It has occurred to me with forcible irony that psychiatry has quite literally lost its mind, and along with it the minds of the patients they are presumably supposed to care for.”— David Kaiser, Psychiatrist




“DSM-IV is the fabrication upon which psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine in general. Insiders know it is more a political than scientific document… DSM-IV has become a bible and a money making bestseller—its major failings notwithstanding.”— Loren Mosher, M.D., Clinical Professor of Psychiatry




“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.”

Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist




“Psychiatry [makes]… unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.”

Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

"In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”

Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK




“I believe, until the public and psychiatry itself see that DSM labels are not only useless as medical ‘diagnoses’ but also have the potential to do great harm—particularly when they are used as means to deny individual freedoms, or as weapons by psychiatrists acting as hired guns for the legal system.” 

Dr. Sydney Walker III, psychiatrist




“The way things get into the DSM is not based on blood test or brain scan or physical findings. It’s based on descriptions of behavior. And that’s what the whole psychiatry system is.

Dr. Colin Ross, psychiatrist




“No biochemical, neurological, or genetic markers have been found for Attention Deficit Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Depression, Schizophrenia, anxiety, compulsive alcohol and drug abuse, overeating, gambling or any other so-called mental illness, disease, or disorder.”

Bruce Levine, Ph.D., psychologist and author of Commonsense Rebellion




“Unlike  medical diagnoses that convey a probable cause, appropriate treatment and likely prognosis, the disorders listed in DSM-IV [and ICD-10] are terms arrived at through peer consensus."

Tana Dineen Ph.D., psychologist




“It’s not science. It’s politics and economics. That’s what psychiatry is: politics and economics. Behavior control, it is not science, it is not medicine.”— Thomas Szasz, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus

a reply to: Tulpa

Thanks for the recommendations mate and hope you watch the videos - the second one cracked me up.




a reply to: Peeple

Yes am a big fan of psychology but this is starting to look like something entirely different - especially when one factors in the major funding from major pharmaceutical cartels.

Hi, I am not from the US, and don’t speak English very well, always read ATS but almost never post, but I just wanted to share that I was VERY VERY SICK, I had severe OCD and was very well incapacitated. I went to my current psychiatrist 10 years ago, I have medication with no side effects and I am a normal person again thanks to my doctor. Just that. Hope you all never get the chance to have personal knowledge about mental illneses.
With kindness, me ^^

a reply to: karl 12

Yes the thing is the "take a pill fix the issue" thinking.
It can work about the same percentage as you'd expect from a placebo but if you take it for ten years or longer you can bet you get problems with your liver, kidneys... soon.
And there's of course the #ing freakshow bs as side effect for depression drugs "may cause suicide"

Psychology is someone who listens to you, talks you through your logical mishaps aka meta thinking, how to change your behaviour.
But it's difficult, takes a long time, the chemistry between patient and therapist has to be right...
So we're back to the easy fix.

Aside from Pharma is the new Bank.

a reply to: CafeconLeche1

Glad to hear it CafeconLeche1 and appreciate the input, don't know if you went through the info provided at the link but thought there was a very important point made in it.

None of this is to say that people do not experience emotional or behavioral problems, but the fact remains the diagnosis are not a disease and the treatments (drugs) are not without serious, even life threatening risks.  Whatever choice people make, they deserve the facts in order to make an informed decision.

Suppose this thread is more about this.




Cheers.

originally posted by: rom12345
Psychiatry has an enormous amount of control, which is extremely dangerous.
The best way of delegitimizing a person is to have a 'doctor' call them 'crazy'

I may have to quote you over on my Britney Spears thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: karl 12

Psychologists are great.
Psychiatrists are a whole different ball game.

One is more Jungian and one is more Drug-ian.

a reply to: karl 12

Some familiar names above and I'm sure some of them contributed to the first doc I mentioned. I like to have copies on dvd specifically in case they get blanked from YouTube but that particular one is about 3 hours long and not sure if it was ever on YT.

Your second video was quite humorous but one comment struck me as being relevant to the situation we find ourselves in at the moment. Not necessarily the psychiatric part but when he was talking about the Nazis.....

"We laughed at them.....no one ever believed they would have the power to do what they did".

Something worth remembering.

cheers.

originally posted by: Tulpa

Not necessarily the psychiatric part but when he was talking about the Nazis.....

"We laughed at them.....no one ever believed they would have the power to do what they did".

Also found that statement a really powerful one mate and suppose it could still hold relevance today - lots of dodgy 'wartime' connections to big pharma as well.

As for psychiatric drugs it states at the main link that over 120 million people worldwide have now been placed on them and the psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry is making over $84 billion per year.

It also states as fact that 'there are no genetic tests, no brain scans, blood tests, chemical imbalance tests or X-rays that can scientifically/medically prove that any psychiatric disorder is a medical condition'.

Pretty crazy stuff and although it's an older article it does state below that 'the conflict of interest between psychiatry and Big Pharma is under congressional investigation'.

Shrinks For Sale: Psychiatry’s Conflicted Alliance


The Corrupt Alliance of the Psychiatric-Pharmaceutical Industry


Within a month of the APA’s announcement, its conflicts came under criticism again with the release of a study that found that 18 of the 20 members overseeing the revision of clinical guidelines for treating just three “mental disorders” had financial ties to drug companies. The common diagnoses generate some $25 billion a year in pharmaceutical sales..

With the U.S. prescribing antipsychotics to children and adolescents at a rate six times greater than the U.K., and with 30 million Americans having taken antidepressants for a “chemical imbalance” that psychiatrists admit is a pharmaceutical marketing campaign, not scientific fact, it is no wonder that the conflict of interest between psychiatry and Big Pharma is under congressional investigation.

link

a reply to: karl 12


"Virtually every leading psychiatrist in North America between the 1940s and the 1970s was involved in some aspect of the CIA’s mind control research.”

The field of psychiatry is at the root of the Mk-Ultra fiasco. The CIA paid the bills and wanted answers to a serious problem that it faced. The repeatedly stated goal of the entire program was a search for a "truth serum" to be used on captured spies to uncover their handlers. What resulted was a wide-ranging, no holds-barred, Nazi-like government program that wanted answers to a serious problem far beyond debriefing spies but one that could not bear the hint of the true purpose.

The CIA became aware early on that the beings of the UFOs had striking abilities to influence the human mind as they saw fit. The public only became aware of those seemingly impossible attributes during the early abduction cases in the 1960s. Perhaps the CIA's interest started far earlier during the general time of the 1950s "space brotherhood" stories that often had to do with telepathic communications between ETs and earthlings.

There are several, seemingly, in depth books relating to the various activities of the CIA's Mk-Ultra. Some dwell on the death of one of the CIA scientists and how he died because of an '___' dose. Some dwell on the '___' situation itself, stories within themselves. To my knowledge I'm the only one to connect the long-standing Mk-Ultra programs directly with a frantic attempt by the CIA to discover the psi intricacies of alien versus human minds. Everybody seems to want to ignore the evidence of such abilities of the ETs. For good reason, it is the true horror story of alien contact which above all else violates the sanctify of the human mind.

originally posted by: Peeple

And there's of course the freakshow bs as side effect for depression drugs "may cause suicide"

Haven't found time to watch it mate but there does look to be a very interesting doco here about the role psychiatric drugs have played in the unprecedented number of military suicides.

originally posted by: Peeple

Aside from Pharma is the new Bank.

Yes mate does look like big pharma could well be just a continuation of big oil and thought Corbett made some really interesting comments below about how the Rockefellers operate within medicine (and their funding of Eugenic ideologies).


Video


Once did a thread here about them and apparently the Rockefellers (in tandem with JP Morgan Chase) own the largest drug manufacturing combine in the world.

Bit of a coincidence that they also funded MKUltra and have extremely deep connections to the WHO and CDC.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany

Psychologists are great.
Psychiatrists are a whole different ball game.

One is more Jungian and one is more Drug-ian.

Yes indeed mate am struggling to find any recent coverage of this subject but there are some relevant links in the article below from a few years ago.

Influential “thought leader” psychiatrists and major psychiatry institutions, by their own recent admissions, have been repeatedly wrong about illness/disorder validity, biochemical causes and drug treatments.

In several cases, they have been discovered to be on the take from drug companies, yet continue to be taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Why Psychiatry Holds Enormous Power in Society Despite Losing Scientific Credibility

A bit cheesy but did think there was some important info in this short vid.

Here are actual recordings of a prominent English psychiatrist by the name of Colonel J R Rees addressing the National Council of Mental Hygiene in October 1940 and his colleague G. Brock Chisholm, the co-founder of the World Federation for Mental Health setting the agenda for psychiatry's influence and control of every sector of your life.