Michigan GOP investigation finds no evidence of widespread fraud in 2020 election

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TerryMcGuire


Yeah , they All also think the Moon is made out of Green Cheese . It's Not .

However, the conclusions of the audit overseen by Republicans in that state were not stating anything as patently ridiculous as green cheese. Any simple investigation of the nature of the moon will tell you it is not made of cheese. The investigation into the validity of the vote in that state was systematic and in depth. So no green cheese and no fraud. Simple.

In the world of semantics and the meanings of words, what is "widespread"?

1%, 5%, 80%?

Narrative entrenchment of cherry-picked wording to mean nothing without absolutes, yet achieves the intended emotional response when a shallow mind quick scans the words.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: M5xaz
But it is the correct answer.

If you don't like reality.

No, correct because I do.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TerryMcGuire


Yeah , they All also think the Moon is made out of Green Cheese . It's Not .

However, the conclusions of the audit overseen by Republicans in that state were not stating anything as patently ridiculous as green cheese. Any simple investigation of the nature of the moon will tell you it is not made of cheese. The investigation into the validity of the vote in that state was systematic and in depth. So no green cheese and no fraud. Simple.

So they looked at the ballots then?

Or are just making things up to fit their narrative?

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TerryMcGuire


Yeah , they All also think the Moon is made out of Green Cheese . It's Not .

However, the conclusions of the audit overseen by Republicans in that state were not stating anything as patently ridiculous as green cheese. Any simple investigation of the nature of the moon will tell you it is not made of cheese. The investigation into the validity of the vote in that state was systematic and in depth. So no green cheese and no fraud. Simple.

So they looked at the ballots then?

Or are just making things up to fit their narrative?

President Trump says the Michigan Republicans are "compromised". They wouldn't even come to the White House to view the classified "election tampering" evidence, back in early December 2020.

originally posted by: M5xaz
No, correct because I do.

Sure.

You keep believing he got cheated, it's fun to watch people deny reality and now the findings of their own party too.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TerryMcGuire


Yeah , they All also think the Moon is made out of Green Cheese . It's Not .

However, the conclusions of the audit overseen by Republicans in that state were not stating anything as patently ridiculous as green cheese. Any simple investigation of the nature of the moon will tell you it is not made of cheese. The investigation into the validity of the vote in that state was systematic and in depth. So no green cheese and no fraud. Simple.

So they looked at the ballots then?

Or are just making things up to fit their narrative?

President Trump says the Michigan Republicans are "compromised". They wouldn't even come to the White House to view the classified "election tampering" evidence, back in early December 2020.

Of course they are.

There’s always an excuse, isn’t there

originally posted by: Chadwickus

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TerryMcGuire


Yeah , they All also think the Moon is made out of Green Cheese . It's Not .

However, the conclusions of the audit overseen by Republicans in that state were not stating anything as patently ridiculous as green cheese. Any simple investigation of the nature of the moon will tell you it is not made of cheese. The investigation into the validity of the vote in that state was systematic and in depth. So no green cheese and no fraud. Simple.

So they looked at the ballots then?

Or are just making things up to fit their narrative?

President Trump says the Michigan Republicans are "compromised". They wouldn't even come to the White House to view the classified "election tampering" evidence, back in early December 2020.

Of course they are.

There’s always an excuse, isn’t there

So they looked at the ballots then?

Then still two sides that 'believe' something with zero factual basis.

An audit sure would be nice.

Then both sides could know instead of 'believe'.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: M5xaz
No, correct because I do.

Sure.

You keep believing he got cheated, it's fun to watch people deny reality and now the findings of their own party too.

Because in Michigan, the vote magically jumped up 138,000 for Biden in the middle of the night, without a single new vote for Trump or any other candidate



There is NO explanation for the above but blatant fraud.
Keep denying reality.

I, on the other hand, choose not to be a gullible sheep believing the MSM

a reply to: M5xaz

Oh, that old canard again. Why wasn't it taken seriously by anyone in the judicial system?

Answer most commonly given....they are all bribed!!!!!

Not the finding but the reaction has been my expectation all along. The audits are moot because people already subscribe to their sides chosen outcome. It won't repair the minds of American's and won't do anything to re-inspire confidence in the election process.

The right will cry fraud and the left with deny it. And when an election takes place and the other parties are chosen it will just be a reversal of the current opinions. Pessimistic maybe, but the idea that ideologues of rightness and leftness are capable of seeing truth beyond that seems utterly ridiculous and laughable. At least it would be If it weren't so depressing.

To me it's a shame that rightists and leftists are in charge of the United States' resources.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Here's the thing Mr. Zisit. This universe is gifted with a large amount of doubt. I can doubt that if I drop a coke can from my hand that it will fall and hit the ground, that it may indeed just float off into the air. I can doubt that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow morning and indeed rise in the West. I can doubt just about anything I want if for some reason I want to. That is a blessing or curse bestowed upon us by this universe. What we do with that doubt is part of the construction of our very being.

I think that there should be reason to doubt this or that. That reason should be based on sound observances and reasonable beliefs to the contrary of what ever it is that we are doubting. Your question stating '' so they looked at the ballots then?''is an unreasonable question to ask because of course they ''looked at the ballots'', otherwise it would not have been an audit. It would not have been a recount.

www.clickondetroit.com...
''Michigan election audit: Hand recount matches machine recount within 1%''
That was from February. Now it is late June and an audit that doubters asked for way back then has been accomplished by those who have the authority to do so, the State Senate and they have found no fraud. So what is it that you want here huh? Do you want them to let YOU count them all, let you verify them all and all the registrations and water marks and what ever else it takes to certify that vote count? What is it here that you are after.

Are you after some conclusion that fits with what that Trump guy says it should be? Is that it? How far down the rabbit hole that guy is digging before you realize that's all it is, a rabbit hole

Just how do you know that it's not YOU who is making things up to fit your narrative, a narrative that sounds suspiciously like the one that Trump is feeding is believers.

a reply to: nemonimity

Pessimistic maybe,

Not pessimistic but realistic if you ask me. Depressing. It's kinda like the US political system has been playing the card game ''war'' for ever. Flip two cards and wins, flip another and one wins and on and on and on. It remains pretty balanced for ever but now there is something different in the deck. A Joker..A wild card and that has upset the whole balance of the charade that has been perpetrated on our citizenry.

Biden is no wild card and neither was Clinton, they were both just another card of the top of the Democrat deck. Trump though was and is a wild card that has not won the game, only picked up the deck and tossed it on the floor.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You are correct but read into it.

Hundreds of Republican, Democratic and nonpartisan municipal and county clerks from more than 1,300 local jurisdictions participated in the audit. They hand counted more than 18,000 ballots that were randomly selected throughout the state

Only 18000 ballots were audited out of 5.5 million. Sorry, like you said, you can doubt all you want but 0.003% of the votes were reviewed. That is not an audit.

Now, what is more telling is the Dominion results which has been called into question .

In the statewide sample, Biden received votes on 50 percent of all ballots reviewed while Trump received 48 percent. In Wayne County, which uses Dominion machines, Biden received 68 percent, while Trump received 31 percent. In Oakland County, which uses Hart machines, Biden received 57 percent while Trump received 41 percent, and in Macomb County, which uses ES&S machines, Biden received 44 percent and Trump received 54 percent.

The audit exercise was conducted by generating a statewide manifest that included the number of ballots cast in every jurisdiction, and then using a randomly generated (by rolling 10-sided dice) 20-digit number to select 18,162 of them. Clerks then retrieved ballots that had been selected in their jurisdictions and shared if it had a vote for president and, if so, who it was for. Clerks retrieved a total of 18,084 ballots total. Twenty-one clerks did not retrieve 78 ballots in their jurisdictions, meaning the sample was 78 ballots short of a complete sample. For this reason, the audit is being considered a pilot exercise.

Also read it is a 'pilot' exercise. Also, 1% off is 55k votes. That is alot to be off for ANY election in any state.

Let’s see. The original count (fraudulent or not) say 5 million total votes. So we start counting until we hit 5 million, not caring one bit if any of the ballots were legitimately filled out by the registers voter and call it a “Free and Fair Election”

Biden needs 108,000 votes in this district to win? Well here just happens to be 107,984 mail in ballots that only have Biden marked and nothing else down ticket...

Sounds about right.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

"Twenty-one clerks did not retrieve 78 ballots in their jurisdictions, meaning the sample was 78 ballots short"

Does this mean that those 78 ballots never actually existed?

More explanation is necessary on this.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Just means they did not submit samples. 21 clerks did not submit. Again, not a full test.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: M5xaz

Oh, that old canard again. Why wasn't it taken seriously by anyone in the judicial system?

Answer most commonly given....they are all bribed!!!!!

Not a canard.
Happened on election night.
Same thing also happened in many other states, such as Wisconsin:

This STRAIGHT SPIKE UP before 6am is NOT NORMAL, neither for Wisconsin, nor Michigan, nor any other state, nor would it be OK in any free and fair election anywhere on Earth.


Don't believe your eyes and just swallow what CNN feeds you

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: M5xaz

Oh, that old canard again. Why wasn't it taken seriously by anyone in the judicial system?

Answer most commonly given....they are all bribed!!!!!

So what happened then?

originally posted by: M5xaz
Happened on election night.

Sure it did.

The fact that you keep citing this shows you not interested in reality.