Is origin of Covid19 Wuhan lab?

China is having a good clear out of their own as well..

originally posted by: aristorat
What are chances that in Wuhan we have lab that do tests on different Sars viruses and boom. Out of nothing in Wuhan started all this.
Of all cities in world starts there.
As I understand Faucci donated money for that Wuhan lab. And he even respond on accusitions like: imagine we have that lab in Virginia...its better that we test viruses in Wuhan.

Isnt this coincidence?
We have Wuhan lab for Viruses. Covid 19 starts in Wuhan. And offical story is that man ate bat near Wuhan lab and got virus. Maybe bat get that virus in lab? Idk...

In 2005, a group including researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology published research into the origin of the SARS coronavirus, finding that China's horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses.[12] Continuing this work over a period of years, researchers from the institute sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across China, isolating over 300 bat coronavirus sequences.[13]

In 2015, an international team including two scientists from the institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.

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Was it not sent from Fort Detrick Military Lab in US, to Wuhan lab.

Then set free.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
No, the official story is WE DON'T KNOW.

I've heard almost everyone, including Fauci, say this. So until we have evidence either way, WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.

a reply to: aristorat

Looks like the official statement you read must have been capitalized because you believe 100% of the BS.

Fauci likely knew all of this from the beginning, it was pretty much like appointing the fox to head up security on the hen house.

Fauci said early on it was highly unlikely it originated in the Wuhan lab, of course, that was before we knew we were funding the program. A detail Fauci knew from day one and didn't divulge until pressed on the issue.

What we can easily suspect now is it originated in Wuhan, it's likely it's from the lab. We don't know it is was accidental or if it was on purpose.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
No, the official story is WE DON'T KNOW.

I've heard almost everyone, including Fauci, say this. So until we have evidence either way, WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW.

a reply to: aristorat

We DO know that horse shoe bats were brought to Wuhan in 2016 for experimentation on coronavirus behavior, we do know that experiment was carried out by an international American lead grouping, including Swiss, French, Chinese and American scientists and more, and went on for some time.
We don't know if they took anything home, while I guess they did!

The Wuham lab is the only high security place in China for such an experiment, it is not the virus lab across the road from the wet market, which has a lower security rating.

a reply to: aristorat

That's just doom porn.

Also, it's funny that the ones that say it is all fake, and hardly affects anyone, also say it is a weapon and part of a planned release.

There are good reasons to doubt that it was manmade. Scientific reasons.

The closest similar virus occurs in bats, but bats don't get COVID-19. SARS-CoV-2 isn't infecting bats. They can't catch it. So that sort of blows holes in the idea that it recently came from bats (or bat research). In fact, even though it should affect other species (like cats), they don't seem to carry it, either.

It's a fairly specifically human virus, that affects humans but not other species. Therefore, it sort of makes sense that its progenitor virus was also a human one, doesn't it? Perhaps it used to just cause a mild cold, or even no symptoms at all, but it mutated recently? We have seen more strains of it in this last year and these new strains appear to be becoming more infectious as time goes by.

But definitely, it hasn't destroyed economies. It hasn't changed any of our overall rights or freedoms. It hasn't caused the closure of churches. It hasn't caused regime change anywhere.

And, we have vaccines against it now and medicine that has been perfected in treating it.

Doom porn and conspiracy theories for those who like their paranoia.

originally posted by: NightFlight
a reply to: aristorat

Has research here at ATS ended? None of you geniuses tried to just look up on Duck Duck Go "Chinese Official Defects to US"? Or, even, "Is the covid 19 Wuhan lab theory correct"?

Chines e Security Official Defects to US

Chinese Spy Chief...

Chinese Spy Defects...

Wuhan Lab Leak Theory Correct?

Theory of Wuhan Lab Correct?

One Look-up has WaPo recanting its initial story about the virus being natural, but its behind a pay wall. If any have access, it looks like a good read...

This is good. Thank you.

"There is also no evidence that the coronavirus jumped from bats to people through an intermediary host, as SARS1 did in 2002 (a bat virus spread first to civets and then to people). Surely, if bats were the original source of COVID-19, scientists could identify the intermediary host through which it was spread. They’ve had no such luck."

So...we do NOT have any evidence that virus jumped from animal to human. In fact as one member said it only human virus. Makes you think.

originally posted by: rickymouse
If this virus was discovered in Wuhan where they have a lab working on very similar viral research, the chance it started in the lab and escaped somehow would be very high. I would say that somehow the lab is involved with this. The virus could have also got there tagging on a shipment from another lab which exposed someone locally, or possibly could have tagged a ride in a scientist visiting that lab from another lab doing the same kind of research.

The lab being somehow involved...I give it a 93% probability.

Pretty sure the development started here in the USA, was off-shored to England, packaged and delivered to Canada, picked up by PLA officers and transported to Wuhan. Who weaponized it? Hard to say.

a reply to: aristorat

The likely origin is one of the many wet markets that sell live poultry, meat etc.

Doesn't let China off the hook exactly, but it's not some sinister doomsday virus.

I would credit China with having something deadlier in its arsenal than SARS-CoV-2.

originally posted by: Deplorable

originally posted by: rickymouse
If this virus was discovered in Wuhan where they have a lab working on very similar viral research, the chance it started in the lab and escaped somehow would be very high. I would say that somehow the lab is involved with this. The virus could have also got there tagging on a shipment from another lab which exposed someone locally, or possibly could have tagged a ride in a scientist visiting that lab from another lab doing the same kind of research.

The lab being somehow involved...I give it a 93% probability.

Pretty sure the development started here in the USA, was off-shored to England, packaged and delivered to Canada, picked up by PLA officers and transported to Wuhan. Who weaponized it? Hard to say.

We will never know because the people running those labs have lots of experience at covering things up and having evidence disappear.

a reply to: aristorat

No matter what it's all Gods fault for not making man immune
to all man made viruses. Viri? No viruses.

Any way yeah because man had to prove he could make a way better
viruses than God. Is the real truth they're hiding from my two German
Shepard's. Jon Stewart was better.

And done!

originally posted by: aristorat

originally posted by: NightFlight
a reply to: aristorat

Has research here at ATS ended? None of you geniuses tried to just look up on Duck Duck Go "Chinese Official Defects to US"? Or, even, "Is the covid 19 Wuhan lab theory correct"?

Chines e Security Official Defects to US

Chinese Spy Chief...
It needs to be a no-blame environment," Prof Dale Fisher, of Singapore's National University Hospital, told the BBC.

Chinese Spy Defects...

Wuhan Lab Leak Theory Correct?

Theory of Wuhan Lab Correct?

One Look-up has WaPo recanting its initial story about the virus being natural, but its behind a pay wall. If any have access, it looks like a good read...

This is good. Thank you.

"There is also no evidence that the coronavirus jumped from bats to people through an intermediary host, as SARS1 did in 2002 (a bat virus spread first to civets and then to people). Surely, if bats were the original source of COVID-19, scientists could identify the intermediary host through which it was spread. They’ve had no such luck."

So...we do NOT have any evidence that virus jumped from animal to human. In fact as one member said it only human virus. Makes you think.

Yes,
The BBC link is interesting in that, it mentions Prof Shi Zhengli, (AKA 'Bat lady') who was a Chinese participant in the 2015/16+ experiment, as the BBC put's it, (a researcher) who would be much more than that oversimplification, she's a scientist, and not a free agent, but also needs to work for the military. In fact, it was she who announced the, 'just discovered' novel virus...that was to be the COVIDS-19 disease, she said that in very early 2020.

Bat lady, had seen it all before, likely as a result of research from the same cave in Yunnan from where the horse shoe bats that ended up in the Wuhan experiment came from...copper mine workers died from Coronavirus infection there years before, and she already had experience of coronavirus 96% the same as COVID years before that.

Inquiry: Does anyone doubt that Pelosi is capable of being this evil and traitorous?

Speaker of the U.S. House, NANCY PELOSI, is running a Covid-19 Cover-Up to protect China.

Source: www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: putnam6

What we can easily suspect now is it originated in Wuhan, it's likely it's from the lab. We don't know it is was accidental or if it was on purpose.

Release accidental or on purpose? Will probably never know. But the spread from China to the rest of the world, especially the USA? Well, that is a different kettle of fish entirely, isn't it?

No need for a wet market when the Wuhan lab has it's own fresh supply of bats.

a reply to: aristorat

Where have you been since the pandemic broke? It's been the top theory since day one, I think the spread from bats to humans via some intermediate species is about 4th or 5th on the list.

I don't think anybody here has discounted it as a source.

In short...

Well, duh!

😝

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: putnam6

What we can easily suspect now is it originated in Wuhan, it's likely it's from the lab. We don't know it is was accidental or if it was on purpose.

Release accidental or on purpose?

Well that's the million dollar question.

My personal opinion (which has shifted as new evidence has come to light) is that this was released by accident and taken advantage of by governments around the world (expecially by the ruling Conservative Party here in the UK).

Those who are in bed with China in regards to this virus (USA and likely, by default, UK and others) would have been keen to get a working vaccine out to lessen the damage they themselves have caused.

The search for viruses closely related to Sars-CoV-2 took a new turn in September when a team of French and Laotian scientists found one in a horseshoe bat living in a cave in the west Laotian province of Vientiane. Other related viruses had been found in Cambodia, Thailand, Japan and elsewhere in China, but this one, Banal-52, was different. For the first time since the pandemic began, this was a virus genetically closer to the human Sars-CoV-2 virus than one called RaTG13, collected in southern Yunnan in 2013. RaTG13, which had been stored for six years in a freezer in a lab in Wuhan itself, is genetically 96.1 per cent the same as Sars-CoV-2; Laos’s Banal-52 is 96.8 per cent.

Found Banal-52 and it is 96.8 per cent match in Laos.

So how you get that Bat to Wuhan?

Then last month a bunch of emails, uncovered by a lawsuit from the so-called White Coat Waste Project, returned the ball right back over the net. They comprised an exchange between the American virus--hunting foundation, the EcoHealth Alliance and its funders in the US government. The scientists discussed collecting viruses from bats in eight countries including Burma, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos between 2016 and 2019. But to avoid the complication of signing up local subcontractors to their grants in those countries, they promised to send the samples to a laboratory they already funded. And where was this lab? Wuhan.

Some brilliant detective work The Covid lab leak theory just got even stronger
From magazine issue: 20 November 2021

The former director of the CDC thinks it came from the lab. I think it's more likely than not.. true.