Is America Headed Towards a Failed State

I was having a pretty involved discussion on other social media about trash, garbage and litter that evolved into the question of Is America headed towards a failed State.
I live in Hawaii and the recent influx of tourists has brought a remarkable increase in garbage on the beach in Waikiki.
Thing is, when I bring that up I get all kids of deflections - locals litter too, etc which is true but not exactly what's going on because of the 30k+ tourists arriving everyday.
So I look deeper, as deep as I can while sitting here in Waikiki.
I started checking out videos of Russian cities, Japanese cities and there's a noticeable lack of garbage laying all over.
So I thought about it a bit deeper and realized something disturbing.
Maybe, maybe its true and America is the bad guy.
I come to this conclusion in the realization that.
antifa members in America are Americans.
BLM are Americans.
My entire life America has been at war with itself.
The attitude of Americans is that of consume, consume, consume and trash, trash, trash the environment.
Doesn't matter political affiliation.
Conservative drag old TVs, washers, dryers, refrigerators to the woods and shoot them up with their guns for fun.
When living on the mainland and bow hunting deep in the woods miles away from any trail there'd be garbage everywhere.
So, you think - What kind of mindset does this?
Americans, for all we have are pigs that treat their country as if its a 3rd World Nation.
Then I took it further.
Only in America are there 39 genders and counting.
Only in America is the standing military recruiting Woke people flying rainbows and wanting to be Bronies.
Do other countries have people walking into drug stores stealing everything they can get their hands on without penalty?
Do other countries have flash mobs running into department stores stealing everything they can grab?
What other country is a "Woke" as America?
Better yet.
What other country has had a President so harassed as Trump was?
What other country has stolen their presidential election?
We actually have "Patriots" that declare their allegiance to government enforcement while stating they are limited government conservatives.
I mean, where else do people say Don't Tread on Me while adoring those who would do the Treading?
Everything is backwards.
Big government liberals hate big government enforcers while limited government types worship those who would be tasked to take the one thing they claim to protect their freedoms - while never protecting their freedoms.
Its like a massive Cult.
I don't see America making it much longer.
I see us headed toward a failed State.

Sadly, there doesn't really seem to be any clear solution.

What other country has stolen their presidential election?

At least we do still have elections... for now.

What other country has had a President so harassed as Trump was?

Doing the same in some other countries would be an immediate death sentence.

a reply to: MrNeo

a reply to: MrNeo

What other country has stolen their presidential election?

At least a dozen countries in Africa, and quite a few in Eastern Europe.

Those where " Really " stolen though.

Also you could probably find some in South America and Asia also.

a reply to: MrNeo

While there are other countries worse than America, America has slowly deteriorated since September 11, 2001, but it was even before that horrific day THEY planned to fundamentally change America and gain control over oil in the Middle East.

I'm sure by now everyone knows of General Wesley Clark's conversation with
Amy Goodman. Plans were made to invade and replace government in seven nations in the ME.

But let me backtrack right quick. George H.W. Bush screwed up in the ME when he started a war and did not finish. I was fresh out of highschool and living with mom and dad so I cannot really give commentary on the U.S. economy but it seemed to be fairly ok.

By the time Bill Clinton was POTUS I had left the nest and was working two full time jobs and paying bills. I had no problems, other than my own issue with money haha, with the economy. I made good money under Bill Clinton and I believe since I left home until now that Clinton and Trump have been the best Presidents America has had.

Now, here comes another Bush, Dubya, into the Whitehouse with his dad's war hungry buddies, and his dad I'm sure, causing problems in the ME because they got buds and pals in the oil industry and here we go again with war.

That's when the economy started going in the toilet. Dubya wrecked America. Nothing else to add to that.

Because of the war in the ME, we get 9/11. Not even going to get into who did what and who's involved, inside job cough cough, but with the Patriot Act Americans lost freedoms.

Repeat, Bush wrecked the economy and pissed on the Constitution.

Since Americans were war weary they voted for Obama. Weird considering 'Murica is rayciss.

Obama continued Dubya's destruction of America because Daddy Bush and Company were now in Obama's ear. But Barack Obama brought something else to the table, a race war.

By the time Obama was ready to leave and had further ruined America, Americans were now dizzy, they didn't like Bush and they were disappointed in Obama and the options for the next President were another Clinton and Donald Trump. Despite Follywood and MSM and social media platforms putting Hillary on a pedestal, Trump won.

Follywood and MSM and social media platforms turned on Trump like rabid dogs, which means they turned on Americans.

We know the rest.

So to your thread, no, no President has ever been mistreated and abused and misrepresented and lied about and ridiculed and mocked by MSM the way Trump was, and now that can be added to the list of failures in America.

Bad economy. Eroding Constitution. Division of Americans. MSM and Follywood and social media platforms are the enemy of American citizens.

America has fallen. Not yet completely destroyed, but edging closer to the point of no return.

As it stands, America and the Constitution will be completely destroyed before the next election because there's still 3 1/2 years left of this administration, and whether it is Joe or Hoe in the Whitehouse, the Democrats are steadfast in changing America into whatever the hell it is they plan on doing.

From my perspective, it is the end. America cannot recover. It will not get better. Americans are powerless. It's a one party government and that party controls almost every aspect of America.

Most red states will be either purple or blue. Trump is done. And I'm a Trumper. But I'm not stupid. I see now what the reasonable leftists were saying. No Kraken. No arrests. No rebellion. No restoration. It is finished, it is done, and Republicans AND Democrats are both equally guilty, from coast to coast, border to border, every adult American is to blame because We the People let elected officials do what they've done.

End of story.

Now, if I'm wrong on ANYTHING I've just typed, by all means correct me.

a reply to: TzarChasm

No truer words have ever been spoken. And this from a Follywood script.

I suggest taking a look at a timeline of American History

www.ereferencedesk.com...

A quick glance shows we have way more periods of conflict and challenges than periods of growth and prosperity. You pretty much can't have one without the other, but whether it's war, economic collapse, internal strife, or natural disasters it's all about how competently and quickly you adapt to these events.

In the past, we mostly had leaders that helped steer us away from permanent downslides.

a reply to: MrNeo

I don't see America as the ''bad guy''. I see America as the harbinger of things to come when materialism is treated as a divine gift. You pegged it with your notice of ''consumerism''. Consumerism was pushed on the American people as the be all and end all of the American Dream.

I remember being a child in the 50s. My mother would become irate when she would see litter on the street. She made sure that we would not be litter bugs. She believed that it would take awareness on the part of humanity to lose the trends of past generations and become non litterers. Well it never happened. Litter still reigns sown upon us. A simple thing like that, not tossing out your trash out of your car for instance. To many in this nation have little sense of sustainability.

It's not this generation, it's not the liberals or the woke, though they are just as culpable as those generation that spanned at least the entirety of the last century.

originally posted by: BrokenCircles

Sadly, there doesn't really seem to be any clear solution.

What other country has stolen their presidential election?

At least we do still have elections... for now.

What other country has had a President so harassed as Trump was?

Doing the same in some other countries would be an immediate death sentence.

There is a clear solution, a constitutional convention to add a new amendment to the constitution that allows states to secede gracefully and without violence of any kind. Dissolution of the Union, like the old USSR, and let Calilfornia, Texas, Hawaii and other states that have been chomping at the bit to leave to union to go. Especially California who holds values that are the antithesis of those of the majority of the rest of the nation. Hawaii should never have been annexed. Texas is big enough to go easily and take care of itself. Then let US citizens move freely and be citizens of the nation they choose for enough years to resettle the nation into separate nations with their own value and political systems.

Um no.

We fought a Civil War partly over the policy of succession.

Individual State Nations, is not in our best interests, at all. Try and think out a few scenarios, like separate militaries. Separate Air Forces, and who gets the nukes. I mean really? No one State could ever handle multiple hurricanes like Louisiana or Florida without a central government. They wouldn't have the means. And so on and so forth.

Don't let all the "butt hurt" over the last election, and all the hate out there, allow you to think America, THE UNITED STATES, should be anything but.

a reply to: The2Billies

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Um no.

We fought a Civil War partly over the policy of succession.

Individual State Nations, is not in our best interests, at all. Try and think out a few scenarios, like separate militaries. Separate Air Forces, and who gets the nukes. I mean really? No one State could ever handle multiple hurricanes like Louisiana or Florida without a central government. They wouldn't have the means. And so on and so forth.

Don't let all the "butt hurt" over the last election, and all the hate out there, allow you to think America, THE UNITED STATES, should be anything but.

a reply to: The2Billies

Very true. Further division will make America worse.

We need order, not more chaos. But not the "order" the ruling class is striving for, we need order and restoration.

And the clock is ticking.

a reply to: EdisonintheFM

My friend...

That was so well said that I believe it to be the most awesomest thing I have read in many a year.

Thank you for that.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Um no.

We fought a Civil War partly over the policy of succession.

Individual State Nations, is not in our best interests, at all. Try and think out a few scenarios, like separate militaries. Separate Air Forces, and who gets the nukes. I mean really? No one State could ever handle multiple hurricanes like Louisiana or Florida without a central government. They wouldn't have the means. And so on and so forth.

Don't let all the "butt hurt" over the last election, and all the hate out there, allow you to think America, THE UNITED STATES, should be anything but.

a reply to: The2Billies

No it was over MONEY. the north wanted the souths resources and the money from the selling of those. Constitution says we should NOT have standing armies. We can still have a mutual defense pact and do things together,even if we have states split off.

a reply to: baddmove

It's how I see it.

It's what I've lived.

I'll be 50 years old next year.

And I am, not scared, but not enthused about it.

If we don't shed off the labels our government and MSM have put on us we are doomed to become the next fallen empire.

What we are right now, is NOT America. So our forefathers owned slaves, it was accepted back then. Yes, absolutely it was wrong, but to think erasing history and tearing down statues and changing names of colleges, libraries, and streets will in ANY way better America is pure unadulterated ignorance.

Along with that, this movement to cater to anyone NOT heterosexual and give them special rights while violating the rights of others is another stick of dynamite strapped to Lady Liberty's chest.

There is no racial or gender or sexual preference issues in America. The ones under those umbrellas are being used to divide and conquer - the ultimate and most used and most successful strategy used in WAR.

And there lies the proof. We ARE at war. With our own government.

We only have each other to rely on and I do not care what color you are, what deity you serve, what political party you're affiliated with, what gender you are or think you are, what your sexual preference may be....I want the America I lived in once to come back.

There will ALWAYS be racists, homophobes, religious fanatics, political party extremists. There's no ending that because of Freewill. But we can come together, without those ignorant idiots, and make America what it was, a shining light to other nations, a perfect example of how a Republic with a democracy as its system of government can be a success.

You don't owe me any thanks. I ask one thing of you. Don't fall into the trap THEY have set for Americans.

And try to open as many eyes as you can. I'm trying, but to no avail. I get frustrated and I give up and that is not the right thing to do.

If it were 150 years ago, there'd be battles, with bullets and blood, in every American street. We are supposed to be past civil war by now, not beating drums for a call to arms. But what is left for TRUE patriots to do?

What are we supposed to do...

Live on bended knee to a rogue government?

Stand and fight while risking life?

I honestly do not know anymore.

I look outside and everything seems fine. I look at the TV and MSM labels me as this and that because of who I support and makes proclamations that I am a threat and I need to be killed, true story, MSM pundits took off their gloves now that Democrats are in charge.

I'm not fear mongering. I'm being realistic because THAT is our reality.

Anyway, I hope you and everyone else is having a great weekend.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: MrNeo

What other country has stolen their presidential election?

At least a dozen countries in Africa, and quite a few in Eastern Europe.

Those where " Really " stolen though.

Also you could probably find some in South America and Asia also.

And look where they are today .
Failed countries all.

a reply to: MrNeo

Yes, America is trashing itself.

Yes, elements of those who live in America want to change things.

Yes, beat the crap out of any asshole trashing your environment.

Is America lost and dying?

If we keep with this bigger government crap then yes, America will die.

a reply to: EdisonintheFM

Thanks again.

I am 60 so I know where you are coming from.

It aint pretty no more but I do appreciate hearing what you are saying because it means other people feel the same as I/you do.

a reply to: EdisonintheFM

We are a representative government,not a democracy. Biggest lie the left has sold the american people.

What do you mean 'heading towards'? America is a failed state already. The country just went through a rigged election. The whole system failed.
It's a banana republic.

Si vis pacem, para bellum !