are we using alien tech

a reply to: Xtrozero

Sometimes, what is obvious to us is not obvious to other people, specially in writing.

IQ measurements are far from defining who is and who is not a genius, the fact that there are several ways of measuring it that give different results should show that.

Saying that someone has an IQ of X without knowing what type of test they took (or if it's even true, many people attribute IQ points to other people based in their own perception of those people's intelligence) doesn't mean much.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: Xtrozero

Sometimes, what is obvious to us is not obvious to other people, specially in writing.

IQ measurements are far from defining who is and who is not a genius, the fact that there are several ways of measuring it that give different results should show that.

Saying that someone has an IQ of X without knowing what type of test they took (or if it's even true, many people attribute IQ points to other people based in their own perception of those people's intelligence) doesn't mean much.

Well yes I understand that... Not a point I really care about talking on as my post wasn't about discussing what defines intelligence... We do know that the extremely smart people also score high on IQ tests, but a savant can be crazy good in one area too.

Your the only one to ask what is that number when even in my post I linked those numbers to geniuses. I truly think you are just being nitpicky while being fully aware what it meant while not caring what my post was about.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Your the only one to ask what is that number when even in my post I linked those numbers to geniuses. I truly think you are just being nitpicky while being fully aware what it meant while not caring what my post was about.

To talk about something I need to know exactly what I am supposed to talk about.

My previous post shows what I think about statements about person X having an IQ of Y, specially when we do not even know if that person really took an IQ test or not.

a reply to: ArMaP

I'm glancing around the thread.

I hope it's "integrated circuits", as circuit boards are the boards where the integrated circuits and other components are soldered (or glued) on.
A circuit board is just a board made from an isolating material that has some copper tracks making the connections between the places where the components are going to be added.

^OK I think I get the discrepancy with people's phrasing about this. People, like the magazine I linked, are presumably just saying "circuitboards" to refer to the board INCLUDING all its integrated circuits & other components.

...whereas nobody was ever really talking about a BOARD, in-and-of-itself. A board is just... a flat thing.




I'm also doubtful that there's even a semantic point here. Because I think normally "circuitboards" would be understood as containing all the circuits and components.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Alright well besides that, I think you've said that you don't attribute any human tech as possibly originated from aliens. Right?

More or less. I said I haven't seen yet any technology for which there isn't a traceable human source.

I always wonder how some people can be so closed off to the possibility... but everyone's different.

I'm not close to some possibilities, but in this case my main position is based in:
1 - I haven't seen any real evidence for the existence of Aliens;
2 - I haven't seen any technology that cannot be clearly explained as the evolution of a previous known technology or a result of using more than one known technology.

I'm not closed to the possibility of the existence of Alien life, but that doesn't mean I have to think that any thing for which I don't have an explanation is a result of Aliens.

For example, if you can't find your keys, what do you think, that Aliens took them? Or do you think a more mundane explanation is more likely?

^This conversation isn't working.

I'm only open to possibility of tech being recovered / recreated, because it's possible. And that's it.






When I'm looking for my keys, I know that I put them somewhere.





But see it's YOUR mind that has the stupid-hypothetical scenario of someone losing their keys and blaming aliens.

YOU suggested that because that's what's bouncing around in YOUR mind.

originally posted by: unifaun

originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: ArMaP

I always wonder how some people can be so closed off to the possibility... but everyone's different.

Having an open mind also means you're willing to accept when you're wrong.

^You said that like you have a larger point, but you don't. I've acknowledged what's a possibility, and it's a FACT that it's POSSIBLE. And that's it.

So I really don't think ur post has a larger point lol. And I don't believe I've seen you engaged in any conversation with me before, there's really no larger point haha.

originally posted by: ArMaP

My previous post shows what I think about statements about person X having an IQ of Y, specially when we do not even know if that person really took an IQ test or not.

OK whatever

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: Xtrozero

Sometimes, what is obvious to us is not obvious to other people, specially in writing.

^Correct. The written format ALONE is already a language-gap.

And then people are native speakers of other languages, too, so they're often auto-translating everything between English and whatever their native lang. is.

So between every two people, there's potentially a 4-way lang. gap, between two diff. native languages, and English, and the written-language-gap.



...It's a big reason I dislike it when people are trying to be overly semantic / pedantic in forums conversations. There are so many language barriers flying around... just for a thread to exist, in the 1st place.

And then not to mention, typo's... or people possibly not using the absolute most-perfect phrasing lol because they gave a quick response...

IQ measurements are far from defining who is and who is not a genius, the fact that there are several ways of measuring it that give different results should show that.

Saying that someone has an IQ of X without knowing what type of test they took (or if it's even true, many people attribute IQ points to other people based in their own perception of those people's intelligence) doesn't mean much.

^I'm glad I agree with all of that 100%.

It's more clear, the older I get. That the respected geniuses... might not be.

Like I was saying about Elon, I think he's one of the MOST uniquely privileged individuals ever, in that he gets to imagine things and then throw around millions of dollars, to play with his ideas.

So he's got unlimited wealth, and the most uniquely privileged position in the world.

But: It's still a completely separate matter if he's a genius... because a toddler can play with ideas of spaceships.










Conversely, I'm inclined to think that the REAL brilliant people are probably MOSTLY diamonds in the rough, who never get to shine, or even fully develop their potential.

Most people's lives are squandered chasing after... their basic needs, after all.

So a life of farm labor, for example, may involve brilliant people... who never get a chance to write a book, or do anything notable, at all.







...And then, of course, the total ARBITRARINESS of the entire CONCEPT of measuring IQ.

It's not possible to measure objectively... It's not possible to have objective measurements.

The measurements are arbitrary, as per the biases and limitations of those who created the test.





...And it's all so very much CONTEXT DEPENDENT, in every way. And it's easy to think of examples to show that. How about a fisherman who might be illiterate. He would not get anywhere in a written test, or a reading test, etc.

Yet he might be a genius at fishing, he could be the BEST fisherman in his village, i.e. the most perfect genius within his world.

If that's what matters in his world, then he WOULD be a genius, in THAT context.








And then, how about take the scholarly geniuses who make the IQ tests... hypothetically put everyone on a boat, and crash on a deserted island.

Assuming the brilliant nerds are NOT also brilliant fisherman... then THAT context would render the nerds as pathetic idiots who don't know how to fish very well.

I'm having way too much fun with this hypothetical, lol. But then they're all trapped forever. The scholarly nerds would soon die out for lack of survival skills, while the genius fisherman... would survive, and he'd take all the nerds' women to himself, and he'd live out his days banging dozens of beautiful women, their children would populate the island, so on and so forth.




^That's such a simple scenario, but it just takes such simple situations, to realize that intelligence is completely context-dependent.

The IQ-test-makers are nerds who are scholarly... but they still might be retarded, in MOST aspects of life.

They might not even be up-to-par with MOST people's intelligence of normal daily functioning.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Your the only one to ask what is that number when even in my post I linked those numbers to geniuses. I truly think you are just being nitpicky while being fully aware what it meant while not caring what my post was about.

To talk about something I need to know exactly what I am supposed to talk about.

My previous post shows what I think about statements about person X having an IQ of Y, specially when we do not even know if that person really took an IQ test or not.

I agree. It's basically saying that CONTEXT MATTERS when forming judgments about something.

Like for my example of the illiterate fisherman who can't read or write. It would be wrong to label him unintelligent based only on literacy.

And if we were going to judge him and his intelligence... context matters.

Like it matters that he's illiterate because it's not part of his life... which means that it's not a bad judgment against him, that he can't read.

And then if he was really a genius fisherman, with great success in that, plus great wealth, and great success in his life in general, with many women and many kids etc.:

That would certainly be RELEVANT to honestly judge his total intelligence... that he was a brilliant, successful fisherman, and considered a genius by those around him.







...Along those lines: I once knew someone who was an obnoxious idiot... who I regrettably spent too much time around him, before realizing that...

...And the obnoxious idiot ARGUED to me that CONTEXT DOESN'T MATTER when forming judgments about people.

And he got me wondering if he had a point. But... nah. He was essentially arguing FOR the legitimacy of IGNORANT JUDGMENTS.

And the thing is, that IGNORANT judgments MIGHT be accurate in their limited scope...

But even then, it would only be BETTER judgment, if it wasn't totally ignorant.

It's quite simply just like that old saying: "Don't judge a book by its cover." Why? Because it's ignorant, uninformed judgement.

And as good as it could possibly be, to make assumptions about a book by its cover: There's no comparison to the MUCH BETTER, MORE INFORMED judgment of someone who actually KNOWS THE CONTENT, in the book.







Not to mention... the absurdity of an ignorant person, arguing for the legitimacy of IGNORANT JUDGMENTS. It's absurd to people who value understanding anything, lol.

But the ultimate irony is that: The idiot's arguments were actually RIGHT for HIMSELF, with his limited mind.

For that particular person: IGNORANT judgments are the ONLY KIND of judgments that he's capable of.

So therefore, to HIM, his ignorant judgments are ABSOLUTELY PERFECT... inasmuch as his ignorant judgements are MAXING-OUT his FULL COGNITIVE POTENTIAL.

And there's nuthin' more perfecter than THAT.

What if Aliens wait for a human with certain mental capacities to be born and then "influence them" with suggestions or visions of certain technologies and then that person is able to make manifest the technology?

John Nash and Tesla both claimed to have recieved "communications from unknown origin" that helped them in their pursuits and creations.

Subtle influence for receptive minds.

We're working within a symboic relationship.

That's nonsense that Roswell alien tech produced fiber optics. If it hasn't been already said, the principal for fiber optics goes back to the 1800s and an example of light following a path of water during experiment. Information transferring via light waves. This wasn't magical technology taken from aliens 😁 Look up John Tyndall.

You can find a logical path back to most things. Human beings are intelligent, believe it or not.

a reply to: JamesChessman

That's one of the reasons why I think definitions are important, they help us know what we really are talking about.

a reply to: JamesChessman

When I was 5 or 6 years old, we lived near a market, in Lisbon. My mother and grandmother used to go that market, and in there there was a woman that sold fish. That woman never went to school and didn't have anyone that could teach her how reading, writing or arithmetic, but she created a system to be capable of knowing the price of the fish, how much the clients paid and much change she needed to give them.

That woman, in different circumstances, could have had a very different life and could have applied that innate understanding of numbers to other things.

The book The Day After Roswell by Colonel Philip J. Corso was an amazing book on the topic. I could not put it down. Tend to believe it is true.

a reply to: TamtammyMacx

Oh Roswell.

It's an absurd event or non-event, because the actual official story has changed several times, even just in my own lifetime.

I'm not going to look this up at the moment because it's such a well-known topic, and the US govt. official explanation has changed among several diff. weather balloons with secret tech.

With decorative tape used, which gave the original witness the wrong idea that it was aliens. It was just like decorative Christmas themed tape, with designs on the tape. The witness seemed obviously strong-armed to force his testimony about it all just being normal human garbage from the weather balloon, very soon after his initial witness report.

Not to mention the govt. actually published the news that it was a flying saucer, and then changed that the next day IIRC.

So right away, the initial headline was soon changed, and the initial witness testimony was seemingly strong-armed to change.



If I recall correctly:
Other official US explanations have... included mannequins.

Also... actual living children... but I think that was before they were reported as just mannequins...? I think the story evolved from aliens, into children, into mannequins, into no mannequins...


AFAIK that's all going with official US explanations changing over the years, with diff. explanations at diff. times. That's not even mentioning the supposed secretive tech used in the weather balloon.

I remember the late 90's, I think, there were NEW secret details of the weather balloon tech published in magazines, like TIME magazine etc., and this secret weather balloon tech was supposed to be the REASON that the story kept changing thru the years...

Yeah it all makes no sense, lol.

It has been said Nikola Tesla was a Man Out of Time ……..or…..not from this Earth.

Could his brilliance have been his own or channeled through him by unknown entities seen or unseen? Who knows.

I’d like to think it was a combination of both….

Tesla once stated…….”If you want to find the secret’s of the Universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration”

Below is a vid I came across…….when I saw it, I was in awe….because as a young teen, I thought it was possible.

Short Version


This Longer Version is a must see!



Could this possible curing device be Alien inspired?

The original patent Resonant Frequency Therapy Device by Dr. James E. Bare

One things for certain…Big Pharma will not allow for a way to CURE cancers….. there’s no profit in it for them. They rather you exist with expensive drugs and therapies while letting you die eventually.

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