are we using alien tech

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JamesChessman

Wut?

"If we are" using alien tech "then it sucks?"

Why does that suck? Or did I completely not get what you were saying lol.

I would think alien tech is 10,000s, 100,000s, millions... of years in advance to what we see today, so if what we are seeing is actually reversed alien tech then boy they suck...

Oh. You meant it that way.

Well obviously humans would be limited in how much we could recreate alien tech, if such stuff was hypothetically recovered at some point.

We would start off looking at the alien tech, like a bunch of monkeys looking at any random human tech, there'd be no way to understand what they were looking at.

Then there'd be a long period of R&D needed to just TRY to make sense of it, and then try to recreate it. To a much smaller degree of advancement.

I mean that's the normal concept anyway...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JamesChessman

And then on the other end of things, Elon is probably the most famous genius today, but honestly... I mean I don't think we can know if he's really a genius or not, he rather just seems to hold some ABSURD individual position of privilege and wealth and government connections etc...

...Basically so that he can imagine stuff and mess around with it, pour money into researching & developing his ideas.

I think THAT seems his real power, that ridiculously privileged position that he has, for some reason.

I mean... pretty-much ANYONE can imagine different spaceships and satellites... we just don't have millions of government $$ to pursue it lol.

What happen to Hunter Biden then?

Elon's genus is in actualizing things others have not done, or even other companies with 1000s of really smart people have done. Geniuses actualize things not in existence. Today it is hard to see just what it is compared to in the past when to create was simplistic in form. How many super geniuses made your iPhone 13 that we all take for granted? I worked with one super genius and its kind of a a crazy experience.

I think maybe you didn't understand what I was saying.

I think Elon is an extremely, absurdly PRIVILEGED person, with millions of dollars to play around with his ideas.

I think he's THAT more than he's a real genius, but who knows, I could be wrong about that.

But I mean, literally EVERYONE can imagine different spaceships and satellites etc., he just happens to have an impossibly-unique position of actually playing with government $$ for his ideas.

It's in terms of his actual ideas that I haven't seen if he's a real genius himself. Also I heard that politically his ideas and views are ret@rded so um yeah, I guess he's more of a privileged idiot after all.

Also, just to show that it's not uncommon ideas about such tech coming from aliens:

Here's an article that mentions several such tech:

www.inverse.com...

^I'm not familar with Inverse but it looks like an online general-interest magazine.

If you look at their homepage, their articles are discussing common themes like Star Wars and videogames. So it looks like a very factual, realistic website.

So THEY mention circuit-boards and microchips as commonly attributed to aliens. They're just factually mentioning the existence of such common ideas... like I did.

I'm still wondering how people could react like it's some big crazy thing, just to mention that there are such common ideas out there.

Aren't people aware that these are common theories? If not, does the linked article help show you that these are very common ideas?

originally posted by: JamesChessman
So you're actually off-target, I didn't say I was convinced any of it came from aliens, you need to aim at someone else about that, haha.

I understood that, I was talking about the people that think that. If you reread my post you will see that I never mentioned you.

Don't you know that it's well known as attributed to aliens originally? Doesn't everyone know that? Why react like it's something new? And I didn't say anything about "how things were done" so you're off-target there, aren't you?

Because it's new to me that some people think circuit boards have an Alien origin.
I have seen that about integrated circuits, never about circuit boards.

^Because it's a pretty simple caveman technology, fundamentally based on understanding that we can use fire to burn things?

That's what I meant, people (again, regarding those that believe it) try to find an explanation for things they do not understand but accept things they do understand (at least the basic principles). Maybe that's a way of them not to feel less intelligent than other humans, basically saying "if I do not understand it then no human is capable of understanding it, so it must have come from Aliens", in the same way other people said/say that things the didn't/do not understand come from god(s).

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I think maybe you didn't understand what I was saying.

I think Elon is an extremely, absurdly PRIVILEGED person, with millions of dollars to play around with his ideas.

I think he's THAT more than he's a real genius, but who knows, I could be wrong about that.

But I mean, literally EVERYONE can imagine different spaceships and satellites etc., he just happens to have an impossibly-unique position of actually playing with government $$ for his ideas.

It's in terms of his actual ideas that I haven't seen if he's a real genius himself. Also I heard that politically his ideas and views are ret@rded so um yeah, I guess he's more of a privileged idiot after all.

I truly did understand you, but you are wrong. How many privileged people in the world that have done what Musk did and is still doing? The interesting part is he is just getting started now that he has the money to support his ideas like 10,000 dollar houses that you fold out into a full small house from a box.

As to "privileged" I really do not know what you mean by that...

Another claim that particularly irked Elon was that his father, Errol Musk, owned an emerald mine and he funded his son's ideas.

“This is a pretty awful lie,” Musk tweeted on December 2019. He clarified that his father did not own an emerald mine and that he struggled for much of his college days and early professional career.

"I worked my way through college, ending up ~$100k in student debt. I couldn’t even afford a 2nd PC at Zip2, so programmed at night & website only worked during day. Where is this bs coming from?"

His mom...

However, Elon’s mother, Maye, was quick to deny these claims. In a series of tweets in 2019, she recounted how they lived in a rent-controlled apartment in Toronto after moving from South Africa.

“We removed the peeling green velvet wallpaper and had a really low quote to paint the walls white,” said Maye, remembering how they renovated their small Toronto home to make it liveable.

“We lived at 4000 Yonge St. Over the holidays, my nephew reminded me that he, Elon and Kimbal took turns sleeping on the bed, couch and carpet,” she added.

So what are you talking about here?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
On a planet of almost 8 billion we most likely have 100s of Galileos, Leonardos, Alberts, Nikolas, Isaacs etc. any given time on the planet based on just the number of humans around today.

Maybe we have but we just do not know about them, in the same way most common people never knew about those now famous people.

Also, today people to dedicate themselves to specific subjects if they want to find or create new things, creations based on simple principles were already created.

PS: there's on thing that makes some names appearing in lists like the one above, the apparent need some people have, usually helped by creating some lies about those people to make it more convincing, to idolise a few more popular inventors.
One of the most common cases of that "idolising" is Leonardo da Vinci, who was really a great painter and inventor, but not as good as some people say. A good example are his "flying machines" that never flew (they have several flaws).

originally posted by: JamesChessman

It's in terms of his actual ideas that I haven't seen if he's a real genius himself. Also I heard that politically his ideas and views are ret@rded so um yeah, I guess he's more of a privileged idiot after all.

Like what? Do you see buying twitter as a retard act? He cares deeply for freedom of speech, clean energy, bringing up the poverty level and many other areas...have you actually listen to him? He also sees AI as something we need to worry about, what do you think.

He was accepted into a PHD materials science program at Stanford University where he dropped out to go into the internet boom and shortly there after became the CEO of PayPal. Outside of Tesla he is the founder, CEO, and Chief Engineer of SpaceX, and also the founder of "The Boring Company, a tech company, and the co-founder of Neuralink and OpenAI, exploring the future is augmentations and artificial intelligence." Everything he is apart of goes off in new directions never seen before, so IDK is he a retard... I looked up his IQ and it is suggested 150+...

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Xtrozero
On a planet of almost 8 billion we most likely have 100s of Galileos, Leonardos, Alberts, Nikolas, Isaacs etc. any given time on the planet based on just the number of humans around today.

Maybe we have but we just do not know about them, in the same way most common people never knew about those now famous people.

Also, today people to dedicate themselves to specific subjects if they want to find or create new things, creations based on simple principles were already created.

PS: there's on thing that makes some names appearing in lists like the one above, the apparent need some people have, usually helped by creating some lies about those people to make it more convincing, to idolise a few more popular inventors.
One of the most common cases of that "idolising" is Leonardo da Vinci, who was really a great painter and inventor, but not as good as some people say. A good example are his "flying machines" that never flew (they have several flaws).

Tesla was around 180+... how many 200+ are in the world today? What I was trying to suggest is because of our huge population and the ability to actually identify the gifted ones early in life pretty much anywhere on the planet we have a massive number of true geniuses never seen before that are most likely making our lives in all areas better. We are doubling our knowledge every 10 years now or even quicker and that isn't from normal people.

It is estimated 2% of the population is genus level 140+ so 80 million, so the very top rare level of lets say 180+ could still be 800 of them in the world today.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
So you're actually off-target, I didn't say I was convinced any of it came from aliens, you need to aim at someone else about that, haha.

I understood that, I was talking about the people that think that. If you reread my post you will see that I never mentioned you.

Don't you know that it's well known as attributed to aliens originally? Doesn't everyone know that? Why react like it's something new? And I didn't say anything about "how things were done" so you're off-target there, aren't you?

Because it's new to me that some people think circuit boards have an Alien origin.
I have seen that about integrated circuits, never about circuit boards.

^Because it's a pretty simple caveman technology, fundamentally based on understanding that we can use fire to burn things?

That's what I meant, people (again, regarding those that believe it) try to find an explanation for things they do not understand but accept things they do understand (at least the basic principles). Maybe that's a way of them not to feel less intelligent than other humans, basically saying "if I do not understand it then no human is capable of understanding it, so it must have come from Aliens", in the same way other people said/say that things the didn't/do not understand come from god(s).

Oh Ok, well I did think that I first made myself sound a bit too much as a believer in the alien origin hypothesis, when it's just the POSSIBILITY that I believe in.

Anyways, regarding circuitboards / integrated circuits: ...I'm guessing that the phrasing just gets muddy, about this.

When I mentioned "circuitboards" it was just what I thought I had heard before, and so I wasn't really making a statement re: "circuitboards" vs "integrated circuits."

The article I linked DOES mention "circuitboards and microchips" as examples attributed that way.

But maybe it's just a phrasing problem? It sounds like you think that it's really "integrated circuits" that would be better attributed that way? Potentially?

originally posted by: JamesChessman

Oh Ok, well I did think that I first made myself sound a bit too much as a believer in the alien origin hypothesis, when it's just the POSSIBILITY that I believe in.

Anyways, regarding circuitboards / integrated circuits: ...I'm guessing that the phrasing just gets muddy, about this.

When I mentioned "circuitboards" it was just what I thought I had heard before, and so I wasn't really making a statement re: "circuitboards" vs "integrated circuits."

The article I linked DOES mention "circuitboards and microchips" as examples attributed that way.

But maybe it's just a phrasing problem? It sounds like you think that it's really "integrated circuits" that would be better attributed that way? Potentially?

There really isn't anything that magically appeared out of nowhere as to what alien tech would cause. If one was to research anything you would see a very define path of how it came about from very simple levels to the complex that may have span decades.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Tesla was around 180+... how many 200+ are in the world today?

180+ what?

originally posted by: JamesChessman
But maybe it's just a phrasing problem? It sounds like you think that it's really "integrated circuits" that would be better attributed that way? Potentially?

I hope it's "integrated circuits", as circuit boards are the boards where the integrated circuits and other components are soldered (or glued) on.
A circuit board is just a board made from an isolating material that has some copper tracks making the connections between the places where the components are going to be added.
In the older systems they would use plain boards made from an isolating material with holes in it. In those holes they would insert the metal terminals of the components, with a wire then wrapped around the terminals making the connections to the other components, with the components on one side and the terminals and wire connections on the other.
Another system was the point to point construction, in which the board didn't have any premade holes, the holes were made according to the circuit it was going to have, and then the components were soldered to the wires running on the other side of the board.
For smaller circuits you can just solder the components to each other, using wires for longer connections.
A printed circuit board is a board covered in copper in one side, in which is drawn, printed or by using special stickers with the sizes and shapes of the components that are going to be used on the circuit. The board is then immersed in an acid liquid (the more common methods use ferric chloride or a combination of hydrogen peroxide and chloric acid) that dissolves the copper from the parts that are not covered with ink/tape/whatever.
The most basic boards have only one side, but it becomes hard to make more complex circuits with those, so in most cases they use two sided boards, with copper on both sides.

I know all this because before I dedicated myself to computers I learned something about electronics, and I made several boards myself. Below you can see one I made for a car alarm, with a infrared remote control.

(sorry for the low quality)




The more advanced boards, like the ones used in computers, have several copper layers and are very complex, but they are just an increase in complexity of something that exists since the 1930s.

PS: today, software helps designing the circuits, but back in the 1980s I didn't have that luxury, so I had to design them myself by hand, using a special paper with a grid with the right dimensions to help. As I learned technical drawing in school it wasn't that difficult.

So, if some people think we needed help from Aliens to make those, I think they are terribly ignorant about the process.

originally posted by: ArMaP

180+ what?

What do you think?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think you should be clearer.

a reply to: ArMaP

Thanks for the info about circuit boards.


Alright well besides that, I think you've said that you don't attribute any human tech as possibly originated from aliens. Right?

It's basically just a closed conversation then, which is OK.



I always wonder how some people can be so closed off to the possibility... but everyone's different.

a reply to: JamesChessman

You know what they say about having an open mind, right? Make sure your brains don't fall out.

Speculation is fine. "Thinking outside the box" is fine. But you sort of have to know what's in the box first. And you should make sure that you understand what speculation is.

(For example, knowing where that expression comes from in the first place.)

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JamesChessman

You know what they say about having an open mind, right? Make sure your brains don't fall out.

Speculation is fine. "Thinking outside the box" is fine. But you sort of have to know what's in the box first. And you should make sure that you understand what speculation is.

(For example, knowing where that expression comes from in the first place.)

Hey I really only mentioned a few common ideas that are well-known for several decades.

That's it.

I'm open to things possibly originating... but I'm not convinced of any specific tech that way. This is NOT a topic that I've chosen to pour time into, to be able to form an informed conclusion about any specific tech.

I'm just open to the possibilities of alien origin, and that's it.















...And: I don't know exactly where the expression comes from, but no thanks, I don't feel like looking it up, just to report back to you that I looked it up, yeah no thanks, haha. That's such a weird post, and such a weird request, lol.


I'm not even continuing in the thread, either. I dipped in for a couple days and I'm gone.


For what it's worth, in that previous thread, I tried talking with you about Dune and you didn't respond, and I was disappointed because we both love the book apparently, but u didn't want to chat about this incredible book.

So that was disappointing, as a topic that would have been engaging, and then now you're doing this weird thing of telling me to look up the origin of the phrase, no thanks.

If you think it's important, and if you respect the topics you're discussing, then please just tell me what it is that you think is important for me to know there.

originally posted by: ArMaP

I think you should be clearer.

OK IQ, but then my post talked about geniuses. Sorry I left that part out, thought it was obvious.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: ArMaP

I always wonder how some people can be so closed off to the possibility... but everyone's different.

Having an open mind also means you're willing to accept when you're wrong.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Alright well besides that, I think you've said that you don't attribute any human tech as possibly originated from aliens. Right?

More or less. I said I haven't seen yet any technology for which there isn't a traceable human source.

I always wonder how some people can be so closed off to the possibility... but everyone's different.

I'm not close to some possibilities, but in this case my main position is based in:
1 - I haven't seen any real evidence for the existence of Aliens;
2 - I haven't seen any technology that cannot be clearly explained as the evolution of a previous known technology or a result of using more than one known technology.

I'm not closed to the possibility of the existence of Alien life, but that doesn't mean I have to think that any thing for which I don't have an explanation is a result of Aliens.

For example, if you can't find your keys, what do you think, that Aliens took them? Or do you think a more mundane explanation is more likely?