Conspiracy Realism.

originally posted by: Randyvine2

Some people still don't understand what's happening to them even after you them. It's an actual block in their subconscious.

Yes mate well said and thought there was some really interesting reading here about 'social engineering' and how best to brainwash children into believing 'snow is black'.

As for staged action there's also some selected links at this article (including a Gladio synopsis from Daniele Ganser, Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich).

a reply to: karl 12

Yes mate well said and thought there was some really interesting reading here about 'social engineering' and how best to brainwash children into believing 'snow is black'.

I can do better.
For many members of ATS the rejection of a single lie from
any narrative. Is the beginning of their whole world of lies
beginning to crumble. And yet they keep coming back to not
have their world crumble. But to shore up the lies. That's
why you will never get any where in a discussion. They're
literally not worth any discussion at all. Doesn't matter
how perfectly you show them they're wrong. They simply
will refuse to be affected by it. Cement for brains.

a reply to: Randyvine2


Yes some people do seem to have that mindset.

Probably won't have to endure it much longer mate as in the future any discussion whatsoever of the subjects raised in this thread could become impossible.

'Ministry Of Truth':

Article:


So what kinds of things might be contained in such an iPatriot Act? Once again, we don't have to speculate. Various government officials have talked about their wish list for an internet clampdown in recent years.


In March of 2009, Senator Jay Rockefeller opined during a subcommittee hearing that the internet is proving to be such a threat to America’s national security that it would have been better if it had never existed.


In June of 2010, Senator Joe Lieberman stated that he believed the US needed the same ability to shut down the internet as China currently has.


Also in 2010, Microsoft Senior Advisor and Bilderberg attendee Craig Mundie called for the creation of a "World Health Organization for the internet" and suggested creating government-issued licenses to authorize internet usage.


In 2011, Bill Clinton advocated the idea that the US government create an agency for “fact-checking” websites on the internet.


In 2015, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (yes, that NIST) unveiled the "Trusted Identities Group," part of a national strategy for standardizing online identification systems.

When False Flags Go Virtual

Some of the conspiracies that people are bringing up on this forum are just so out there. They don't make sense, are frequently physically impossible, and often depend on people acting against their own self interest for no explainable reason other than "they're bad people".

Many also seem depend on people having a fundamental lack of understanding of what other countries or religions are really like.

a reply to: karl 12

Their simply going to try and put the toothpaste back in the tube.
The scale of their lies has been revealed and it will take a generation.
Before they get back to where they were 50 years ago.

To many people are rejecting the lies now. And trying to get that
angle back that allowed them to get away with lying for so long?
Is going to be seen for exactly what it is by far to many. And could
be another straw on the camels back that breaks it.

If something like that doesn't happen? We still have God to deal with
them. That's why no worries here. They'll get theirs all in due time.

a reply to: Randyvine2

I tend to find that these days we're dealing less with "truth or lies" and more with people simply having different interpretations of the same things. People aren't deliberately setting out to deceive, they simply look at something and interpret in a different way from another group or person.

originally posted by: Randyvine2

Their simply going to try and put the toothpaste back in the tube.
The scale of their lies has been revealed and it will take a generation.
Before they get back to where they were 50 years ago.

To many people are rejecting the lies now. And trying to get that
angle back that allowed them to get away with lying for so long?
Is going to be seen for exactly what it is by far to many. And could
be another straw on the camels back that breaks it.

If something like that doesn't happen? We still have God to deal with
them. That's why no worries here. They'll get theirs all in due time.

Well let's hope your right about that mate as it does look like some sort of 'great internet reset' is at least within the realms of possibility - especially if access then becomes aligned with one's social credit score (like in China).

There also appears to be concerted efforts to push the subject of 'massive cyber attacks' to the fore of public consciousness and certain cyber global catastrophe simulations (involving some incredibly dubious individuals) are being arranged as we speak.

As for obfuscation, distortion and deflection then would also say folks have to be painfully naive not to suspect that paid Cointelpro operatives are in active, open play on 'conspiracy' forums:

Government plans to monitor and influence internet communications, and covertly infiltrate online communities in order to sow dissension and disseminate false information, have long been the source of speculation.

 Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups.

Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups” which spread what he views as false and damaging “conspiracy theories” about the government.


PDF Files:

HOW COVERT AGENTS INFILTRATE THE INTERNET TO MANIPULATE, DECEIVE, AND DESTROY REPUTATIONS

The ART of DECEPTION C. IGCHO. TRAINING FOR A NEW GENERATION OF ONLINE COVERT OPERATIONS.

a reply to: karl 12

All one really needs to understand is the why all these things
are coming about to change the WAY WE LIVE. It's all in preparation
to set the stage for something big and bad. The vaccine for instance
effects MAN I'm sure you would agree. How in what way?
It's actually THREE WAYS. Am I ringing any bells here?
Remember the ancient promise I've talked about on these boards?
You might of seen. And don't forget the way the Devil always
is counterfeit to God. Now lets look at the ways the vaccine
effects MAN.

MAN X 3

6 Biologically

6 mentally ( I'm sure you've heard the rumors of it dumbing people down)

6 spiritually

And this is why I keep preaching the vaccine is not the mark.
But it is preparing the way for it. The vaccine is a component
needed to host the mark.

So you have the number of a man preparing the way for the IMAGE of
the beast (Who was made in Gods IMAGE? MAN) Who will speak and
CAUSE all to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads.

This is where every conspiracy you can think of has been going.
The 666 also confirms that the belief in the trinity is correct.
Because SATAN and MAN are trying to become GOD. That's the
Elites Golden agenda. Money and power are just tools to them
to get them closer to the prize. The triple crown if you will.

It's gonna be one hell of show.

a reply to: Randyvine2


Don't really have much interest in organised religion mate but do understand it has a huge sociological effect on society whether you believe in it or not.

Would say things get a bit unknowable after a certain point but do sincerely hope there's some kind of 'accounting'.

Here's some further info on Bayer intentionally infecting people with HIV:

This is just looks like an insane when we think about this today in 21st century that a big pharma company could ever intentionally transmit HIV for profit. If you are newer in research and pharmaceutical field, you may never be heard about it.

This article is a case of research misconduct and violations of basic medical principles and business ethics. Cutter Laboratories, a subsidiary of Bayer corporation identified that their blood products or antihemophiliac factor (AHF) were infected with HIV, instead of demolishing it they sold the infected AHF to under developing countries and it leads to develop AIDS in thousands of individuals who received those products..

Bayer has paid over $600 million in settlements for what they have called in Taiwan “humanitarian aid” rather than compensation for wrongful death.

Intentionally people were infected from HIV for profit by Big Pharmaceutical Company?

Also more info here about Bayer's Nazi background and their lethal vaccine projects in Auschwitz Concentration Camp.

Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

It isn't religion that's right I don't even go to church.
I understand exactly why you feel the way you do.
I just really have to tell you that God has no religion.
So I just haven't thrown the baby out with the bath water.

I don't need a religion to tell me the Bible and God are true.
Religion has done more to chase people away from God for
a reason. To be fully awake you have to see that. I hope
what I've tried to show you makes perfect sense. If not
just toss me in that LOL bin where you think I belong.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I tend to find that these days we're dealing less with "truth or lies" and more with people simply having different interpretations of the same things. People aren't deliberately setting out to deceive, they simply look at something and interpret in a different way from another group or person.

That's a fair minded thought I'll give you that.

a reply to: Randyvine2

Hey mate I do respect where you're coming from and certainly don't think you should be in any LOL bin.

Also, given what may be on the horizon then it's probably best that everyone stays as undivided as possible.


There's more info below about 'military testing' on the unsuspecting citizens of St Louis - Monsanto (now Bayer) also implicated.

Lawsuit Says St. Louis Citizens Sprayed With Radioactive Chemicals In Secret Military Experiment

According to a recent report by a professor at St. Louis Community College, the United States military conducted top-secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri for years, going so far as exposing them to radioactive compounds.

The researcher, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, said that while it has long been known that the government sprayed supposedly harmless zinc cadmium sulfide particles over St. Louis, she claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

Martino-Taylor says she has found detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles. In her research, she found that the greatest concentration of spraying in St. Louis took place at the Pruitt-Igoe public housing complex, which was home to 10,000 low-income residents. She said that 70% of those residents were children under the age of 12..

Now that details have emerged of the chemical testing, a recent lawsuit filed in City Court says that the agriculture giant Monsanto and others conspired with the military to secretly poison residents of St. Louis with toxic chemicals.

link

Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

Absolutely believable and yet some of these dweebs on
this site. Can not accept that they are just test animals
to people like Fauci The WHO The CDC the FBI the CIA
The NSA etc. It's amazing.

a reply to: Randyvine2


Yes mate given their past behaviour I have a bit of a hard time trusting any of the agencies you listed there.

Keeping with Monsanto thought there were some revealing Venn diagrams here and turns out Monsanto were fully aware Glysophate was a Cat C carcinogen as far back as 1985.


As for other experiments there's more below on Project Sunshine.

The goal of Project Sunshine was simple enough: research how nuclear fallout affects human tissue. Trying to figure that out requires two things: radiation and human tissue.

When the project was underway, a conspiracy theory arose, claiming that the government was stealing dead bodies (primarily babies) to conduct the research. It was a genuinely macabre conspiracy theory, to be sure, but it turned out to be true.

The government was using parts of cadavers to test the effects of radiation, and the best kind to use came from babies in the U.S. and U.K. The government reached out to find recently deceased babies and young children, taking tissue samples and whole limbs. The parts were taken without permission or even notification of some 1,500 families.

link

Also this one about testing Aids drugs on foster kids.

[size]On March 10, 2004, The Alliance for Human Research Protection filed a complaint with the FDA and the federal Office of Human Research Protection about a series of AIDS drug experiments conducted on New York City children in foster care..

The children are reported to have suffered painful side effects “such as rashes, vomiting and sharp drops in infection-fighting blood cells as they tested antiretroviral drugs to suppress AIDS or other medicines to treat secondary infections.”

In one study testing the drug dapsone, “at least 10 children died from a variety of causes, including four from blood poisoning, and researchers said they were unable to determine a safe, useful dosage. They said the deaths didn’t appear to be “directly attributable” to dapsone but nonetheless were “disturbing.”

AIDS Drug Experiments on Foster Care Children – A National Scandal

Cheers.

Following on from this information in the main link:

The FBI has repeatedly encouraged and sometimes paid Muslims to commit terrorist acts. Right before the would-be terrorists can carry out the assault, the FBI swoops in and claims to save the day. The FBI never informs the public that it concocted the plan. It simply takes credit for keeping the public safe. This effectively raises a false flag on the American people and keeps the citizens fearful of terror groups while erroneously reinforcing the notion that the FBI is capturing terrorists.

link

There are some revealing transcripts of tape recordings concerning foreknowledge of the World Trade Centre bombing on Feb 26th, 1993.

See 4:00

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars..

Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast

Directed war deception - testimony fabricated by 'public relations' firm, Hill and Knowltown:

Nurse Nayirah" in the media, was a fifteen-year-old Kuwaiti girl, who alleged that she had witnessed the murder of infant children by Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait, in verbal testimony to the U.S. Congress, in the run up to the 1991 Gulf War.

Reality:

In 1991, the world was introduced to the emotional story of Nayirah, a Kuwaiti girl who testified about the atrocities committed by Iraqi forces in Kuwait.

What the world was never told was that the incident had in fact been the work of a
public relations firm, Hill and Knowltown, and the girl had actually been the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. 

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CIA / Rockefeller funded MKUltra where 'virtually no aspect of potential control of human beings went untested'.

Tens of thousands of people experimented on including military soldiers, civilians, inmates, hospital patients and children - all without consent.



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From 7:30

Mind Control Summary

a reply to: karl 12

Listen you been doing this a long time and you have this end
of the stick covered so thoroughly. No one can even argue
with you. I'm just telling you there is a whole other end of the
stick so to speak. That constitutes the absolute why they are
the way the are. You know it's not money or power or fame.
Because it has to be something they are hiding. Something
they are working towards that if the secret was blown. And
became public knowledge it would blow the whole scheme.

Search for that yourself. Go to the other end of that stick now.
See if you don't end up where I am. You have to open your
mind and not be swayed by what you like dislike believe
or don't believe. Not even your ideas of impossible and impossible
can get in your way. We are talking about a wicked bloodline.
You know exactly what's going on. It's just as vital to know why
it's going on. It takes some wicked people to cause a 14 yo girl
to get up and lie to the whole world so they can have public
opinion. And people put their faith in them?

That's nothing but being an ultra puss.



Good thread

a reply to: Randyvine2


Hi mate am well aware of some of the cultish Caananite belief systems knocking about (and their sociological effect on society).

Have posted the link already but am sure a lot of people scoffed at the existence of the CCC before someone actually sneaked in and filmed it.


4:40


There's also this lovely audio secretly recorded at a S+B initiation and turns out a replica of the Arch of the Temple of Baal also made an appearance at this 2017 'global government' meeting (which no mainstream news agency ever reported on).

There are probably lots of other examples out there but maybe this isn't the thread to openly speculate about agendas - if you want to start a separate thread then would be happy to contribute.