Should we be looking within instead of without?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: BlueJacket

it seems logical that any technological sentient species would be interested in studying the rest of their home,

Well their "home " could be the water as suggested. They could study that by travelling underwater surely.

Why risk being spotted by humans when flying around. Unless they want to be spotted that is.

We "risk" being seen by fish, whales and anything else we are unaware of etc..whats the difference?

Seems highly probable, if not completely natural.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: game over man
I'm pretty sure we have mapped out ocean floors. The UFOs would have characteristics of being built at the bottom of the ocean. As fun as it sounds, I don't think so, personally.

It wouldn't be the first time humans (or science) have missed the what was right in front of them. New discoveries are made all the time on the ocean floor. In 2019 they found a whole city underwater many thought was a myth. Heracleion.

Ok I'm sorry, at this point I'm getting a little offended because all Native indigenous cultures have stories of Star People and not mermaids. This is not directed at you, or the thread, but the subject at whole of UFO disclosure.

Everyone, Star People, they were in direct contact with ancient humans. Know your history and know your mythology. This basic human knowledge is getting dismissed right in front of our eyes and it's offensive.

Ancient history and mythology is one of my fave topics, but we also have ancient stories of "gods" coming from the depths of the ocean and from other bodies of water. The list is long. No one is dismissing the other stories by any means, but this thread is focused more on the UFO and water phenomenon.

Absolutely...I'm not trying to derail the thread. If I come across any ancient ocean god stories I will include them because I think the ancient paranormal folklore is very relevant to today's discussion about UFOs. It didn't start in the 40's in USA...no way.

The first thing that comes to my mind is the Bermuda Triangle...I wonder if there is a connection there...maybe...maybe not...

I just have too strong of a belief in the Grey's and I don't understand how a walking being with arms and legs could be from the bottom of the ocean. Then consider people's abduction encounters are never in a craft filled with ocean water.

On the other hand, I could imagine telepathy being used by deep sea creatures and possibly them wanting to leave the depths of the ocean in some form of craft. They do have access to all sorts of elements being at the bottom of the ocean.

Really the theory only resides on the fact we don't know all the details of our oceans and UFO/USOs have been observed. Unless I'm missing something else, that seems to be it.

Edit: rereading your OP, you think ET is hiding in the ocean and that's different than what I'm saying and I agree with you there.

a reply to: game over man

I gather they may have been forced down there by the war-like homo sapiens that were taking over the globe.

a reply to: NightVision

If you can manipulate a field around your craft, what better hiding place than the ocean?

my thoughts exactly, if your craft can handle the dangers of space, surly it can handle the the dangers of the oceans.
and about 75% of the earth's surface is covered with water and in some spot very difficult if not impossible to explore even with advanced ROV's.

best place in the world to pop up go check somethings out then pop back down to hide and see what you got.

originally posted by: F5thCav

Ivan T. Sanderson wrote a book 50 years ago about UFOs and the frequency of their appearance in connection with bodies of water.

He certainly thought it was worthwhile to look to the water in terms of the UFO phenomenon.

Cheers

Yes mate well said and great book.

Free E-copy of it below.

Sanderson reminds us of the hard yet oft-forgotten fact of UFOlogy, which is, most UFOs seem inextricably connected with water - They are very frequently seen entering and leaving water, moving through or above water, and otherwise interacting with water. 

Invisible Residents

Also thought this thread was a pretty amazing one (all 39 pages of it).


USO Research

Cheers.

a reply to: Klassified
If there were mirrors in the sky they would shut down SETI

originally posted by: game over man
Edit: rereading your OP, you think ET is hiding in the ocean and that's different than what I'm saying and I agree with you there.

Aw bless! I don't think I have seen someone triggered in such a specific way on a UFO thread! We all have our bugbears eh?

Agree with the logic of this thread, if you are ET and want to hang out here for however long, best places would be the poles and oceans. Its deffo the Navy's of the world that need to fess up.

a reply to: Klassified

This renewed interest because of Tic Tac UAP's reminds me of the Shag Harbour case from many years ago.
I'll provide a link for those that unfamiliar with the case.

But it has all the elements described in the OP

1: Craft entering the ocean
2: Same craft tracked for days in the ocean by submariners
3: Exited the ocean at velocity to outer space
Shag Harbour

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Klassified

This renewed interest because of Tic Tac UAP's reminds me of the Shag Harbour case from many years ago.
I'll provide a link for those that unfamiliar with the case.

But it has all the elements described in the OP

1: Craft entering the ocean
2: Same craft tracked for days in the ocean by submariners
3: Exited the ocean at velocity to outer space
Shag Harbour

Excellent recollection....I remember watching a documentary on it.

Shag Harbour UFO Incident (2000)
1hr

a reply to: rigel4
Watching the video Ophiuchus posted now.

Thanks Ophi.

I just saw this article before I saw your post. Maybe it can explain some things. Pentagon doing research on Craft that can deploy special forces through the air and by sea.

www.thedrive.com...

originally posted by: vance
I just saw this article before I saw your post. Maybe it can explain some things. Pentagon doing research on Craft that can deploy special forces through the air and by sea.

www.thedrive.com...

Reminiscent of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea fantasy Flying Sub....but now perhaps the “concept” is seriously taken and viable? ( of course not to look like the fantasy model of the Flying Sub)

Another case of fantasy moving towards reality....

Series September 14, 1964

edit on 11-6-2021 by Ophiuchus1 because: (no reason given)

Good catch, I'm old enough to remember that show lol.
I don't know how fast the R&D would go on a project like this, but the speeds are comparable to some reports.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

a reply to: Klassified

Water is a bioelectric bridge

Also, Water is electricity. Electricity is water

Though science doesn't understand how yet, you can turn water into electricity fairly easily. I could show you basic schematics for how it's done, though I'm reluctant to post them to this site. I'll give you links in private message, if your interested

Water is not only the universal bridge, it's also an abundant power source

So it makes sense crafts of unknown technology or power would be found around water

Though, I doubt we'll find anything strange hiding in the oceans (other than strange native wildlife). They would most like be using water to phase somewhere (else)

Like traveling between layers of an onion. They likely exist parallel to us, in phase.We just can't see their layers

originally posted by: F5thCav
Ivan T. Sanderson wrote a book 50 years ago about UFOs and the frequency of their appearance in connection with bodies of water.

He certainly thought it was worthwhile to look to the water in terms of the UFO phenomenon.

Cheers

Running water and quartz granite.
I've noted these to be common factors with "orbs" type phenomenon.

Water known to be the source of all life, but are they drinking it or doing something else. The water were using now could be the same water someone ancient millenia ago, like what if Jesus defecates a bodie of water, does it become Holy an heal the land, figuratively speaking.

A bridge could be the reason, but that would be like finding a needle in an ocean, an might belong to the more non corporal entities grouo whose physical form could not be comprehensible.

Water as fuel might be what it is, but it does sound like they are looking for something when they are around.

Bites me though.

I could envision aliens being able to use seawater itself as a component to generate electricity.

Below is a electric generator using saltwater. I have one in my camping gear/survival shed, but never tried it.

Now .....this generator is in human terms, but imagine what the advanced technology could be like in alien terms.

Source: dragonet.com...

Water is a logical place for a landing point from space. The ocean is where Space X has most of its reusable rocket boosters land for recovery.

The reason: if something goes wrong, the craft will be crash landing into water.

Where would you want to crash land? A hard surface? Or water?


It's also a logical staging point for time travelers. Because you can build as much infrastructure as you want and it will never affect the course of known history. Humans simply had no access to the deep for most of history.

If people are time traveling for tourism, or something, you'd want to have somewhere they can go to get supplies.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
my thoughts exactly, if your craft can handle the dangers of space, surly it can handle the the dangers of the oceans.

That's not the case with human spacecraft.

Pressure is a much bigger issue underwater than it is in space. Space is 0 atmospheres (atm) of pressure, Earth's surface is 1 atm So that's a change of 1 atmosphere, or -1 atm if you prefer.

For every 33 feet underwater there's about one more atmosphere, so at 33 feet it's ~2 atm.
At 5000 feet it's approximately 150 atmospheres using the 33 feet/atm guide that divers are taught (a little less).
Futurama may be a cartoon, but, it's right in saying that space ships aren't normally designed for high pressure, they are designed to handle maybe earth's surface (1 atm) and a vacuum (0 atm), hence the "anywhere between zero and one" atmospheres comment in this clip.

Over 150 Atmospheres of Pressure

Leela: Depth at 45 hundred feet, 48 hundred, 50 hundred! 5000 feet!
Farnsworth: Dear Lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure.
Fry: How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?
Farnsworth: Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.

I don't think people talking about manipulating a field around the craft for going underwater have defined what they are talking about, what kind of field? Some kind of fantasy field that humans know nothing about? If we are going to talk about complete fiction, you can make up anything you want. OK futurama is fiction, but the approximate pressures in that clip are actually about right in the real world.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Water is a logical place for a landing point from space. The ocean is where Space X has most of its reusable rocket boosters land for recovery.

The reason: if something goes wrong, the craft will be crash landing into water.

Where would you want to crash land? A hard surface? Or water?

Hit the water at a high enough speed and the difference between water and the ground is much less....