Neil deGrasse Tyson on Joe Rogan

Hey guys, ever since Rogan moved to Spotify, I don't really keep up with the JRE anymore and I didn't know Neil deGrasse Tyson had been a guest a couple of days back. I immediately knew Joe was going to ask him about UFOs. I thought for sure Neil had changed his mind some on the phenomenon buuuut... no. I'm subscribed to this YT channel and here's where I caught all the ufo chat this recap of the interview (below).

I'm a believer, I know dear-to-my-heart people who have seen actual disks, I myself have seen strange lights in the sky zipping around. All these new ufo video releases strengthen my belief in ufos and I think it's just a matter of time.
Thoughts on what it'll take to change Mr. N.d. Tyson's mind?

*edit* I couldn't get the video to embed.
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a reply to: SpaceCowboy78
Your link is not working

Is this the clip

a reply to: SpaceCowboy78
Here ya go!



I have to jet, but I'll watch it later.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: SpaceCowboy78
Your link is not working

Is this the clip

Yeah not sure what happened, I saw it this morning but it's not there anymore. Still, I'm not a fan of N.d. Tyson's opinion on the subject...

Basically, UFO's and off planet beings are not deGrasse's interest.

However, he very much support investigation of.

a reply to: SpaceCowboy78

I have no respect for the man anymore . Neil is a clown


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He makes a great point....something such as unCalibrated equipment or sensors etc...can lead to false indications, results etc.

I’ll buy that....in a younger life, I worked in the electronics field. We always had to make sure our test equipment was calibrated. If not, test results would be skewed, and incorrect.

For a radar to do what it does....there is a whole chain of associated equipment. Any fault in any part of the chain...will end up with a imprecise output.

These latest UAP radar readings.....you would want to ask if ALL the equipment was calibrated and up to specs when the radar sweeps were being done.

If Neil were to read some Jacques Vallee, he might lose some of his smugness. Reading 'Messengers of Deception', or 'Trinity' would give him something to think about.
The military (not just the U.S. military) takes UFOs seriously, but much of the scientific community doesn't. Strange.

originally posted by: SpaceCowboy78

Thoughts on what it'll take to change Mr. N.d. Tyson's mind?

Doing a scrap of research on the subject?

Great chap but when it comes to the subject of unidentified flying objects the guy is a wilful ignoramus.

a reply to: SpaceCowboy78

Ive been trying to figure out this "Phenomenon" of UFO deniers myself. Its beginning to get to a situation as to where they are almost Flat-Earther level. Not quite though because we do know for an absolute undeniable fact the world is a globe, and we arent quite there with ET/EFO's.. but IMO we are getting pretty close. I like Neil, I think truly he falls into category _

Category 1: The religious zealot. This person denies UFO's and ET as they believe they are "Demons" and thing "Not of God." They approach the subject with a fearful mentality, and believe the incursions of these objects signal the second coming of Christ and the end of times.

Category 2: Also the religious zealot, but one who actually hides the fact that their religious beliefs and affiliations have any impact at all on their understanding of the UFO/UAP/ET topic. They will try and sound like, to themselves, raitonal debunkers, but in all actuality they will pretty much accept ANY other narrative.

Category 3: Existential Crisis Control Freaks. These are the people who will alsao feverishly deny ET/UFO's/UAP's being anything other than easily explainable and worldly. They too will adopt any other excuse other than ET, because the existence of physical being of a higher intelligence has a psychological impact on them. It signals that they are not the "Apex being" and that it is possible that another species could do what they want whenever they want, it also signals that finite resources, and restricted travel could be constructs that would no longer exist, as those are laws that keep our society in order. These things make this kind of person feel, unsafe, and not in control, so they will deny existence for their own personal comfort.

Category 4: The Know It All. This person really doesnt have an underlying reason for their disbelief other than the fact that it doesnt fit what they know to be true. They will continue to deflect and deny because the notion of ET is outside of their personal construct of understanding.

Category 5: The Uninformed. A large portion of our population falls here, normies. These are the people who probably havent even seen or heard of the NYT, WSJ, or 60 Minutes news over the past 4 years. These people have never delved into the first page of anything UFO/ET related, and are completely disinterested and consumed by their busy daily tasks and lives. If it doesnt directly affect them at that moment they dont really care. Therefore when asked or confronted about ET/UFO material they have no basis other than their entire experience without it.

Category 6: The Contrarian Skeptic. These people arent REAL skeptics by definition. They essentially live to disprove or debunk "trends" "norms" and (not saying this is the case here) "things that bring people joy." Their intent and goal isnt the truth, it is just to go against the grain and shut people down. They share a lot in common with category 4's as their behavior is mainly self serving.

Category 7: The Real Skeptic. the holy grail. I love these people actually. These are the deniers that are actually open minded, and want the truth and nothing else. Many, if not most real skeptics would actually love for the ET/UFO narrative to be true, they just have EXTREMELY high standards for accepting it as such. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not enough in their book, and they can sometimes come across as a category 4 or 6 because of their high standards of proof, but their INTENT is in the right place, and they will accept evidence when presented in a professional manner.


Any others?

a reply to: Lucidparadox

Its beginning to get to a situation as to where they are almost Flat-Earther level.

This is a game-changer!

a reply to: seedofchucky

The guy is to science what Fauci is to "health", he is just a figurehead to funnel BS anymore. Tyson used to have credibility half a decade ago but seems to have lost his critical thinking abilities along the way, wonder if money was involved?

a reply to: Lucidparadox

And you're the Billy Elliot of ufology.

most scientists ain´t gonna risk their credentials and big paycheck based on a "maybe" to one of the biggest questions of humanity, are we alone in the universe. They need something solid, before they are gonna jump this shark.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: SpaceCowboy78

Thoughts on what it'll take to change Mr. N.d. Tyson's mind?

Doing a scrap of research on the subject?

Great chap but when it comes to the subject of unidentified flying objects the guy is a wilful ignoramus.

Yes. Willful.

It’s not his interest.

I don’t understand why some think because someone is a scientist/astrophysicist—that they should automatically be interested in UFOs and ETs.

He pretty much says it’s a waste of his time.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: Lucidparadox

And you're the Billy Elliot of ufology.

Im not sure if that is a compliment or not. I wasnt familiar with Billy Elliot so I hit up wikipedia, it seems like a compliment:

The plot revolves around Billy, a motherless British boy who begins taking ballet lessons. The story of his personal struggle and fulfilment are balanced against a counter-story of family and community strife caused by the 1984–85 UK miners' strike in County Durham, in North East England.

Subversion of gender roles
The production is notable in its empowering promotion of the subversion of traditional gender roles, promoting acceptance and open-mindedness; both implicitly in the show's decision to represent drag and the challenging of traditional masculinity in a positive light, and explicitly, in the shows lyrics and repeated core message of the value of 'expressing yourself' and embracing one's 'individuality.' Billy's subversion of traditional masculine "gender performativity"[69] is highlighted against the contrast of Durham's extremely masculine working-class society. With this focus, Billy Elliot has the position of being "the first mainstream British entertainment to directly interrogate homophobic prejudice as a function of patriarchal society."[70] With the impact of its empowering message of acceptance entering public discourse and education campaigns[17] thanks to the prominence and financial success of the show.

Empowering the working class
Within the social context of the 1984-85 miner's strike, Billy Elliot's personal struggle to continue dancing is contrasted powerfully to choreographed violence due to the strike. The repetition of 'solidarity forever' is an empowering musical motif to represent the perceived power of the miners union.[71] The message of strength in unity is assisted by emotive and colloquial lyrics, producing audience affect as the empowered everyday working men fight ardently against the British government.[72] However the eventual fall of the worker's strike suggests that class differences are inevitable, yet there remains an allusion to strength despite this loss of power.[73] Ultimately Billy's passion for dance remains empowering enough to allow his movement to a middle class education.

Your emoji makes it seem like a diss, but everything I read makes it sound like a compliment. Empowerment, passion, upward mobility., etc.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

He makes a great point....something such as unCalibrated equipment or sensors etc...can lead to false indications, results etc.

You're as wacky as Tyson. Hello! this is military equipment!
Not a GPS in some teenagers drift car.

It's not a great point it was a stupid thing to say.

Maybe JR should have asked Tyson if he had to place a probability value on the possibility that the UFO is a concrete object. Is he really going to say zero?

although it's nice when people share them, my beliefs on this subject aren't influenced by those that don't. it's all grist to the mill.

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

He makes a great point....something such as unCalibrated equipment or sensors etc...can lead to false indications, results etc.

You're as wacky as Tyson. Hello! this is military equipment!
Not a GPS in some teenagers drift car.

It's not a great point it was a stupid thing to say.

Just so you know, I was a technician in the navy working on CIC warship NTDS equipment. I think I know what I’m talking about....nuff said