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a reply to: Trueman
You brought it up. Share it forward at another time or ignor it. Someone else will probably find the information useful.

originally posted by: AmaraSnow

originally posted by: saskwatch

anyway i think i covered all my recent thoughts, i still think we are in a better position then you would think and im going to have a very speculative post soon but in the meantime heres the question of the day, other than photos and videos what other data will convince you that the phenomenon is real?

Actual information on what is piloting UFOs if anything. That is what I want to know. I want to know the who why and what. We have photos and videos. They don't give any answers. They only show that yes the UFO phenomenon is real. I want to know what its all about. Are they looking for a new planet to live? Are they looking for a race of beings to hybrid their dying race on? Were they always from here just a different dimension? I want to know.

Even if we captured one of these objects I dont you would get those answers.

Just as we send probes out to the stars and planets.. So will likely another civilization.

MOST of these objects, are most likely extra terrestrial, interstellar reconnaissance drones.

Im sure we get the occasional "manned" UFO, but I feel as if those are much less common.

I want to actually SEE the craft!
I want to know how it is powered.
I have many questions about it But I
Need to know who/what is operating it!!
And where they come from, how they get here, why they are here, and so many other questions lol
I need to have my questions answered and that would make it real and tangible for Me.
Great Post!
S&F

originally posted by: saskwatch
i dont know what the 180 day report will acknowledge but i like where were at, we have some reporters on our side and i mean reporters from major companies with millions of viewers, we have groups of scientists, we have astronomers, academics, etc., we also have congressmen and senators openly expressing themseves and i love it

just a reminder if anyone tells you to stop speculating, stop having opinions, or anything similar consider them the enemy of truth, now dont get me wrong at least try to have an educated guess at things, also use your god given tools of intuition, understanding, awareness, and good ol common sense judgement to help you sift through the garbage, people say we need skeptics no we dont because you either understand the evidence or you dont, and then the debunkers are around to just to deceive everyone, to cause confusion in an ambiguous topic, and its only ambiguous btw because our govt has yet to release cases with the overview data

but once again dont get me wrong the govt has said the ufo phenomenon is real, were also getting rumblings of satellite imagery and crash retrievels, my hope has always been just open up the warehouses with the intact machines along with the other parts and let in news reporters from around the world and let them make documentaries of all this material that is made by the hands of non human lifeforms and also show inside and out and maybe some demonstations as well as include the stories on how you obtained it all and then you can shut it all back down in secrecy and then we all will be satisfied and move on with our lives i mean for crying out loud, i still believe in more congressional oversight and inviting way more scientists and engineers in so as long as they have allegience to the american people

thats all that would need to be done instead were playing a dumb game where we have to listen to the same annoying people saying the same annoying things, were watching them pulling each others hair jockeying for position to try to control what everyone thinks about the phenomenon, some people are attention whores and others are money whores and were just sitting here trying to learn the truth and dont get me started on how we been lied to by our govt for decades which is upsetting but even more upsetting is being misled and lied to by foreigners, come to find out its not swamp gas after all huh, anyhow hope all these ic mind games just stop or i think its not going to end well for some imo, hope im wrong

anyway i think i covered all my recent thoughts, i still think we are in a better position then you would think and im going to have a very speculative post soon but in the meantime heres the question of the day, other than photos and videos what other data will convince you that the phenomenon is real?

Personally, I have seen things. Many times. I do not need any photos or videos to prove to me something not ours is out there. But for the masses who may not have seen anything or believe...they are going to need to see actual aliens land.

a reply to: Spacespider

Why bother? The debunkers would just find something else to # about.

I don't see a need to prove anything to anybody. Anyone who has seen one already knows it is true and I suspect even those who haven't seen "them" know it also. Public opinion is on our side, and most of us intend to continue riding that wave into widespread acceptance. Government acknowledgement and incontrovertible proof not required. If the government wants to save face and begin the long process of restoring its ruined reputation, it can come clean and start by admitting its blatant and criminal lies over the past 100 or so years.

Its real. Alien life exists. It probably visits this planet along with many, many others. This "incontrovertible proof" BS is government agitprop and disinformation designed to hide the truth from the populace. It is done for many reasons, and selfish greed is a major component.

Imagine the people realizing that nuclear energy, powered by one of the most abundant metals in the Earth's crust, can provide free, unlimited energy for this entire rock, without the need to keep spending money on low efficiency, low efficacy "renewables" or enriching oil tycoons and big banking. Now imagine them realizing that humans (and especially governments) are not in fact the top dogs, and are mere peons in the grand scheme of things.

Hope; I used enough, punctuation: for everyone's liking... eye roll. , ; :

originally posted by: JBurns
Its real. Alien life exists. It probably visits this planet along with many, many others.

There is no such thing as alien life. Humanity as a sentient, self-aware animal species is all alone in the huge vastness of the universe. There has not been one single piece of evidence ever found or presented that proves otherwise.

This is the old "can't prove a negative" problem, and therefore easy to prove wrong. Just present evidence that a consensus would agree is proof, not just something you feel proves it to yourself. Go ahead.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Humanity as a sentient, self-aware animal species is all alone in the huge vastness of the universe.

Evidence isn't required because the assertion is facially absurd. It is worse than claiming the sun revolves around the Earth, or that our planet is flat. It is the height of arrogance to believe otherwise.

There has not been one single piece of evidence ever found or presented that proves otherwise.

There has not been a single piece of evidence ever found or presented that disproves the universe is teeming with life. Meanwhile, there are historical accounts dating back to the beginning of history, backed up by tens of thousands of credible sightings, by credible witnesses. But the explanation isn't needed. Debunkers can save their breath, everyone is tired of hearing the outlandish "swamp gas" "planet venus" and "weather balloon" nonsense. We are done falling for it.

I already know the existence of alien life is a fact. And the tide of public opinion has changed. Denials carry no weight while even low quality evidence reaffirms what so many of us already know and believe.

Thankfully, its a safe bet. The idea that this entire universe exists merely for one little species to play out its insignificant lives is at best deluded.

a reply to: saskwatch

Holy run-on sentence batman!!!

a reply to: gnarkill1529

originally posted by: JBurns
Thankfully, its a safe bet. The idea that this entire universe exists merely for one little species to play out its insignificant lives is at best deluded.

What is more insignificant, that we are a precious fluke of the universe or that we're just one of billions of civilizations invisibly floating around the sky?

a reply to: Blue Shift

I don't know Blue, i find meaning in the idea that we are members of a universal community of sentient beings

It gives us a reason to strive for more. To keep reaching out into the stars

And not being bogged down with the pettiness of this one species and the meaningless crap we worry about

The sheer size of the universe, the trillions of galaxies with quadrillions or more stars, infintessimal planets out there... no way no how we are all there is

a reply to: JBurns

There has not been a single piece of evidence ever found or presented that disproves the universe is teeming with life

We have to use Earth as our example of life. Basic forms of life will likely fill the galaxy/universe. That's what we can gather through the only example we can use.

Since human-levels of intelligence occurred only once over the history of Earth and across billions of species, it's not as likely. That has been shown to us. Life's survival is what's important to the success of a planet, not intelligence beyond survival. Currently with millions of animal species, it should have also evolved with some other life , but it hasn't for a reason. We were a fluke. But human-like intelligence can happen of course.

Basic life and highly intelligent life are two different things.

I already know the existence of alien life is a fact.

No you don't and it's just your opinion. That's the only fact in your comment. Understand the difference. There is no need for debate with hard proven evidence and there is none and that's why the debate continues.

Victims of the UFO/alien religion. It's like with the current releases. Supporters want to believe so badly that they forgo any deep research for a grounded and reasonable explanation. Once one is found, the religious UFO/alien zealots start refusing to accept the answer with their verbal torches. You're just a shill, you're a naysayer, you're scared of the truth, you haven't researched all the cases...  It's ridiculous.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

Once one is found, the religious UFO/alien zealots start refusing to accept the answer with their verbal torches.

Nonsense. One hasn't been found. Nor do any of the explanations presented pass the Occam's Razor test. Intelligent ET life is the simplest, neatest and most logical answer.

You're just a shill, you're a naysayer, you're scared of the truth, you haven't researched all the cases... It's ridiculous.

Sure. Says the people regurgitating the same old crap they've been spewing for 80+ years. Folks don't buy the "swamp gas" "planet venus" and "weather balloon" "birds" "misidentification" "mirage" crap any more than the buy the "top secret military project" angle. You think we had "top secret military projects" resembling UFOs 100 years ago? 1000? Of course not that is just silly.

No you don't and it's just your opinion. That's the only fact in your comment. Understand the difference. There is no need for debate with hard proven evidence and there is none and that's why the debate continues.

Say what you want. I don't have a single doubt in my mind that its the truth. Not one single doubt. And in case you missed the part about the tides of public opinion changing, I'll say it again. No one is buying the "swamp gas reflected off a weather balloon mirroring the planet venus" anymore. We're done listening to debunkers. You don't have the initiative anymore, we do. We've taken the initiative from you.

The preponderance of evidence suggests 1) UFOs are real 2) they represent technology and an understanding of physics far, far beyond human capability.

Since human-levels of intelligence occurred only once over the history of Earth and across billions of species, it's not as likely.

Or so you assume. Our extremely young species has no clue what happened over the 4 billion years this planet has existed, or the 14+ billion years the universe itself has existed. Not. One. Single. Clue.

Again... I already know the existence of alien life is a fact. I don't have a single shred of doubt. You, OTOH, seem awfully concerned about convincing me and others otherwise. Your effort will fail. Indeed it has already failed. It failed the minute they tried walking the story back in 1947, and further denials/suppression of the truth will only serve to further alienate citizens from the liars in government at their own peril.

you haven't researched all the cases

I have. As much as possible anyhow. Which is why I am even more convinced it fact beyond any doubt. And if there are even more cases, great, that only further reinforces my immovable knowledge that UFOs represent ET intelligence.

originally posted by: JBurns
The sheer size of the universe, the trillions of galaxies with quadrillions or more stars, infintessimal planets out there... no way no how we are all there is

Until we figure out how life came to be on Earth, we can't say that sheer numbers - years, planets, whatever - is the most important factor, or even a factor at all. If I had a box with a marble in it, and we had no idea how it got there, how many more boxes would we have to look in to guarantee we find another marble? A hundred? If not, then what's the number? A billion? Trillion? There are singular things in the universe. It's very possible that we're one of them, and so far we have discovered nothing to indicate otherwise.

"Intelligent" life occupying a random planet orbiting a random star wondering / arguing if there's Intelligent life occupying a random planet orbiting a random star when the answer is quite literally in their hands.

UFO cases that prove intelligent alien life:

1. ROSWELL!
2. The USS Nimitz Encounter
3. O’Hare International Airport Saucer
4. The Stephenville TX Sightings
5. East Coast GO FAST Video
6. Rendelsham Forest
7. Socorro NM Lonnie Zamora Incident
8. Cash/Landrum Incident
9. Kecksburg Incident
10. The Lights Above the New Jersey Turnpike

a reply to: Blue Shift

Blue, I appreciate your position, no disrespect intended, but with that rationale the atom would've never been discovered. Germs would've never been discovered. Radiation would've never been discovered. Heck, we'd still be blaming illnesses on demonic possession (just a few hundred years ago) and burning people at the stake (again only a few hundred years ago).

If we listened to the established science/authorities, we'd still be believing the sun revolved around us and that our planet was flat. We might even still believe that COVID couldn't possibly have originated in the Wuhan lab, as scientists far and wide mocked, and said was totally impossible. Scientists don't know everything. Flying was considered impossible at one point also.

I for one am happy the advancements happened....but they only happened when someone broke the mold of what the time's state-of-the-art said was possible and rejected that time's science which was based on faulty premises. To be fair, it isn't scientists fault entirely... this government has actively worked to suppress and wage information war against the UFO community at large AND the scientific community much as they did when the first astronomers proved the Earth was merely one planet among many or that sailing too far in one direction wouldn't lead you off the edge of our planet.

They burnt Bruno at the stake for revealing the truth about our planet's position among the stars. Why? Because science and religion said otherwise, and the truth was a threat. Just as the UFO truth is a threat (and indeed the beginning of the end) to power structures worldwide.

It is my assertion that our young species not only has no understanding of the visitors, but that are so far ahead of us we don't even know where to begin. Look at the gimbal video. Any reason whatsoever for a craft to be colder than its surroundings? Or for it to tilt on the longitudinal axis without a loss in altitude? Just one of a thousand examples.

There are singular things in the universe.

Like what?

I do appreciate your hard scientific approach. But I don't think science has all the answers especially not when it comes to putting into words a civilization that could be billions of years ahead of us. We are too young of a species and planet for this level of frankly arrogance and hubris

Ask yourself..have we really come that far? Or is it more likely that human arrogance and single-mindedness has once again blinded us to possibilities outside our understanding?

a reply to: Jubei42


You debunkers are literal flatearthers and dunderfoot is a total brainlet

You ignore radar data, visual confirmation, eye witnesses, and you just debunk a FLIR pod taken from 5 miles away. Good job bro

Why live if everything is fake and a lie. I mean the government lied for 70 years to cover it up and now they are lieing again coming out.

Just stop...you are about to be hardcore embarrassed when this report comes out.

originally posted by: JBurns
Like what?

Like yourself. Your point of view. Everybody's point of view, actually. So there are uncountable billions of singluar, unique things in the universe. Since we exist on Earth, we know that our kind of life is at least possible. But there's no way to determine the probability of it happening again, and that might make it extremely rare or actually non-existent anywhere else -- or at least anywhere else we can spot it or interact with it. Maybe there's a cluster of inhabited planets 10 billion light years away, heading away from us, that we'll never ever detect. But hypothetical aliens are just the same as non-existent aliens.

But I'm not closed-minded. If strong, undeniable evidence appears, I'll be one of the first to get a window seat on the big flying saucer. I don't want it not to be true. But I don't want to talk myself into it, either.

a reply to: Blue Shift

To each is their own

I respect your POV and won't try to change it. I also have no intention of changing mine.