Greer calls out Elizondo/Leslie Kean; claims Sheehan representing Elizondo to have him come clean

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: akira131
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2. On the topic of motive, I think you have misinterpreted Lue a bit, or maybe I just have gotten something different. I too have been spending every night until 4am watching videos and reading stuff everywhere for the last 3 weeks since its all been flowing out like rapid fire. IMO Lue feels like WE (I) do. He worked for this program, and he saw things, confidential things , that would change our perspective of the world and he thinks the people have the right to know. The fact he's in with Christopher Mellon confirms this, Mellon has been a disclosure nut since he was a child.

Lue is just playing up the "threat" card because its the ONLY way he can break through the stigma. Its the only way he has gotten this far to get people to take it seriously. I dont think he feels UAP's are a threat (outside of near collisions). I think he is like us and just wants the stigma gone.

Hello everybody! First off: great thread with important questions, akira131!

Like most of you, I've also tried to get every little piece of information that was released in the last couple of days. I think, Lucidparadox is right; Lue doesn't really think that they are a threat, he just knows that it's the only way to break the stigma and get the MSM's and the common people's attention. I think I remember that he even said that in one of his interviews.

What I clearly remember: In the interview with Steven Greenstreet (Basement Office), Lue compared our time today with the time of the explorers, who traveled to the unknown seas and thought they were full of monsters. Over time, however, these feared monsters became harmless animals that we now call "whales" or "giant squids".

Lue said that today we would be preparing to sail an unknown sea again. And maybe it will show that the supposed monsters living there are only our neighbors.

When I heard him saying that, I knew, that I don't have to worry about him; that he really is one of the good ones.

In fact, I thought, his words sounded downright historical.

a reply to: akira131

This is great from Greer and all because they didn't cut him into the deal, Judeo-Masonic intelligence operatives trying to scam their beloved public into a war with the Galactic Federation were they will face an extinction level event, a perfect ending which needs to be encouraged.

a reply to: projectvxn

But it's not as much of a threat as the building of those nukes in the first place, most people at this point are hoping Aliens will save them from their own Governments.

a reply to: gortex

I do like it when hucksters fight.

Its certainly an eye opener. Nick Pope is throwing his toys over Greer too.

a reply to: Madrusa

That's a childish hope.

a reply to: projectvxn

It is but there's also the greater question of adult responsibility as far as any parent culture goes.

Being into Ufology for over fifty years now. I have come to several realizations:

Not one piece of 100% vetted material from an UFO has ever been produced.

Most of Ufology is a discussion about what and what is not true in the field of study. Arguments about who is telling the truth, whether a particular date is correct or not, did something happen or not. All of this, ad nauseam for decades.

Of all the names dropped by the previous posters not a one of them has produced proof of ufo's. Some have been around for decades and written many books on the subject. All of it is 100% conjecture.

Like the saying goes; Until they land on the White House lawn, only then will we have proof. But until then we can have fun talking about something we can't prove exists.

originally posted by: boomerdude


Not one piece of 100% vetted material from an UFO has ever been produced.

What you mean to say is 'Extraterrestrial', not UFO. There is no way to prove anything is ET. You could walk an alien up to Neil DeGrasse Tyson and he would likely claim it's interesting but nonetheless more likely to be an undiscovered species from here.

See where I'm going? We don't have a Universally accepted criterion for what something E.T. is, or how to scientifically prove it.

originally posted by: boomerdude


Like the saying goes; Until they land on the White House lawn, only then will we have proof.

If we had space travel, found a civilization thousands of years behind us, and just landed, without asking, on their White House lawn, what do you think would happen?

We don't have the right to just because we declare it so. Just like you don't have the right to go into another country without a passport. Think Universally. Not globally.

a reply to: NightVision

Excellent point!

Unfortunately we lack any, universally accepted, standard by which "Extraterrestrial Origin" can be established to the satisfaction of everyone. Especially in our current ideological mindset, any "conclusive proof" offered will most certainly be unquestionably accepted by some, and just as unquestionably rejected as false by others.

Technological evidence will be claimed as either mere illusions achieved through government "psyops" manipulations, or advanced terrestrial technology previously kept hidden from the public for no doubt nefarious "Powers That Be" purposes.

Our provinciality limits us to a virtual automatic rejection of anything we are not already familiar with as being not possible.


But the fact remains that, yes, there may very well be "More things in Heaven and Earth...than are Dreamed of..."

a reply to: akira131

You had me @ Greer
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: Mantiss2021

Another beautifully written post.

I really wish the "normies" and the "psyop" "false flag" people could point their thoughts in this direction.

People Are thinking way too black and white, a d they aren't having thought experiments at all.

Energy is at the center of this whole ordeal.

Sure.. biological lifeforms that are advances and from other solar systema are cool and all.

But that isn't really the "cool" or "life changing" stuff I think alot of us who are really into this whole ordeal are thinking as much about. After all, the drake equation confirms it. The real center of the discussion is the existence of technology that allows interstellar travel, and the energy source it uses. That is the real hidden gem at the center of a this.

I believe this is both the most important part of the whole enigma, as well as the greatest crime they have committed by hiding everything. It is the energy question that would set us free. If you ask those at the bottom if they would be bothered by replacing fossil fuels I don't think you will find many who would say this is bad. You ask the CEO's and their lives would be ruined. We have forsaken the greater part of our own species so that those already comfortably sitting at the top can continue to do so.

I see this as a great sin against our own species and one that would/SHOULD stain those who participated forever in the history books.

Humanity can handle the truth, those in control can't because it threatens their monopolies.

a reply to: akira131

I want to say THANK YOU to everyone who is participating. It is refreshing to know we can all still talk and debate. Some of you have really opened my eyes to different perspectives. Ones that may have been obvious, but emotion is a hard thing to look past sometimes. That is why coming together and sharing perspectives and ideas is so important!!!

originally posted by: Peloquin2021
Lue said that today we would be preparing to sail an unknown sea again. And maybe it will show that the supposed monsters living there are only our neighbors.

It's encouraging that they haven't killed us all yet, if they have the ability to do that. But humans can barely get along with each other if we have different skin colors or believe in a different supernatural superbeing in the sky. I'm guessing most of us won't welcome creatures with gills or mandibles (or whatever) with open arms and a cold beer.

a reply to: Blue Shift

There have been many times where people have come together en masse in the last decade or so. When the South Koreans discovered their president was in a cult and the cult leader was being briefed into government affairs the people came together peacefully and protested in the 10's of thousands until their leader was replaced.

The other side of that is for every instance in the last 20 years of people coming together there are examples of those same beautiful movements being usurped or led astray by leaders and/or agent provocateurs. I believe those who benefit from divide would have us believe we can never come together without being "led".

Humanity has a problem coming together as a whole for sure, just as the hidden hand likes it.

"they are guarding all the doors, they are holding all the keys" so long as those who "lead" us also lie and divide us, then how can we unite on a larger scale? We can, and at times we do on smaller scales, but secrecy is a cancer. Lies begat lies and half truths lead us astray. Only lies and deceit can feed the tree of control. The truth will set us free, regardless of how painful it is to hear it at first.

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: boomerdude


Not one piece of 100% vetted material from an UFO has ever been produced.

What you mean to say is 'Extraterrestrial', not UFO. There is no way to prove anything is ET. You could walk an alien up to Neil DeGrasse Tyson and he would likely claim it's interesting but nonetheless more likely to be an undiscovered species from here.

See where I'm going? We don't have a Universally accepted criterion for what something E.T. is, or how to scientifically prove it.

originally posted by: boomerdude


Like the saying goes; Until they land on the White House lawn, only then will we have proof.

If we had space travel, found a civilization thousands of years behind us, and just landed, without asking, on their White House lawn, what do you think would happen?

We don't have the right to just because we declare it so. Just like you don't have the right to go into another country without a passport. Think Universally. Not globally.

Why aren't these brilliant posters participating in the other UFO threads?

Great post and great point and extremely well written.

So many people are like "proof, solid proof"

An Alien could walk out of their saucer right up to them and shark their hand.. and they would be like..

"New government solid hologram tech"

"Hoax, guy in a suit"

"Demon!"

"Ahh.. that's just a species of being that's from earth and lives here we haven't discovered"

"Genetically modified being we created!"

I dont know why, but there is a large segment of people that would accept any explanay other than extraterrestrial. It's like they're flat earthers or something.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ColeYounger

He's also all over this topic , investigative journalism is still alive.

DOD knew that Knapp and Corbell had the video. They'd already published pictures of it and alluded to the story. So they had ample time to prepare for when it was coming out. Corbell also teased a major revelation and gave the time for it so not difficult for the Pentagon PR to put 2 + 2 together. No need for cloak and dagger and intrigue here.

a reply to: NightVision

Perhaps your taking my words too literally, or I should not use old school terms. The saying I used about the White House lawn is just another way of saying seeing is believing or show me the proof.

Sure, they may have a prime directive of sorts. But how many, "Who Watches the Watchers?", moments have we had throughout history?

I have a hard time accepting anything or anyone connected to the TTSA [to the stars academy] and that includes Zondo, Knapp, DLonge, Justice, Semivan, Puthoff, Mellon; charlatans more interested in creating a money pit to snare gullible suckers than truth about disclosure.
and C2C and noory has just become a parody of what Art Bell intended.

Looks more like a black ops/psyops operation to me posing as 'investigators'

a reply to: Sublant

No need for cloak and dagger and intrigue here.

With the characters involved in this dog and pony show the fingerprints of cloak and dagger intrigue are all over it.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Sublant

No need for cloak and dagger and intrigue here.

With the characters involved in this dog and pony show the fingerprints of cloak and dagger intrigue are all over it.

Perhaps, but when you start to build conspiracies around the speed of DOD press releases, when there is absolutely no need for it, then you're probably too deep into tinfoilhat territory.