Build a Better Mouse Trap.... In China

One of the reason I liked Trump was he wasn't afraid to call China out for their theft of intellectual property. It is no secret that the Chinese love copying / stealing cheap products. To manypeople, this seems harmless but there are real businesses that are impacted from this theft. Consumers needs to understand how their quest for the cheapest price can have long term effects that can hurt their own economy.

I wanted to present a case that I found interesting. I occasionally watch this channel on Youtube. Long story short, the guy reviews all kinds of mouse traps from medieval times to fancy modern ones. People must find it interesting as he has more than 1.5 million subscribers. Anyway, he reviewed a mouse trap a couple of weeks ago that he boasted was the best he had ever tried. Basically, it is a top for a 5 gallon bucket with a trap door that the mouse falls through and drowns in water. Great little invention.

The company that makes the traps didn't pay for his endorsement. Anyway, after it was featured, the company started selling a ton of traps on Amazon. Small garage based company living the American Dream. Literally built a better mouse trap only to have chinese threaten his business.

Lo and behold, Chinese scammers saw the product was selling and quickly forged it and even stole the youtube video to trick people thinking they were buying the original. What is even crazier is that Amazon and Facebook can't be bothered to shut the scammers down, but they can sure quickly ban you for supporting Trump.

Figured I share the rant from the Youtuber.

a reply to: Edumakated

The west have got their revenge.

We're copying their inhuman, authoritarian method of government.

To the OP. China has spent the last few decades stealing IP and technology. It's a sad fact that the Chiese economy is largely based off the inventiveness of others. A finaancial loss to the US and others of perhaps a trillion USD per year.

Yet Western consumers still buy Chinese.

originally posted by: paraphi
To the OP. China has spent the last few decades stealing IP and technology. It's a sad fact that the Chiese economy is largely based off the inventiveness of others. A finaancial loss to the US and others of perhaps a trillion USD per year.

Yet Western consumers still buy Chinese.

Yes, I know. I just don't think people realize how bad it is... in some ways it is also emboldened by Amazon. The Chinese can see what products are selling and then they can quickly mass produce it for pennies on the dollar. Most consumers don't care and often times don't even realize they are buying fakes.

I had a friend who invented a product. It was ripped off literally within weeks of him selling it to the public by the Chinese.

a reply to: paraphi

They still use Facebook and shop with Amazon, too.

It should be clear by now that the big companies are siding with China. Whether purely for financial reasons or more nefarious ones.
I'm not on Facebook and don't shop with Amazon.
Not much else we can do about it, having no power to change things.
I'm just careful where my small budget gets spent.

a reply to: Edumakated

China are Gangsters, for decades they have copied and stolen ALL western inventions and claimed them as there own.

What have the Chinese actually invented in the 20th century or the 21st century so far?.

They had ancient inventions BUT - did THEY invent them?.

They had blast furnaces for making steel back in the six and seven hundreds but that does not mean that they invented them.

There is a clue that some Eurasian society whom may have been the real inventor of those things' once existed, it's descendants branched off into many places and the Germanic languages including English are descended from it and so too were the Hittite's whom spoke language that had many words we English would recognized and a near identical grammatical structure to there language, the Hittites were the first KNOWN civilization to use IRON weapon's and it gave them an advantage that let them conquer army's far more numerous than there own until they ruled over the middle east for a time.

From them the knowledge of Iron weapons - from which Steel is of course derived then spread into the classical world and beyond but there origin other than that they came from somewhere in Eurasia, spoke a language that is very closely related to English and German and Dutch etc and that they came carrying technology that to the supposedly advanced civilizations they encountered may as well have been from another world since Bronze stood little or no chance against Iron.

So they must have come from a mother civilization whom were pretty advanced, one that was destroyed likely by war, invasion or climate change and there homeland then taken over by Turkic and Mongoloid tribes the dust of there city's ignored or claimed by these later peoples as there own.

the Chinese are fantastic at using other peoples inventions and retaining them even long after the inventors and there civilizations have vanished but very little did they invent themselves.


The Wheelbarrow?, there is some evidence it may have actually already been know up to 5000 years ago in Europe.

The Spade? who are they kidding people have been digging since year zero.

The Sword, nope other's got there first.

The printing press, hmm just maybe?.

What they did give the world was the world's first worthless currency, economic collapse and paper money.

And lots of cool kung fu movies, well they were cool when I was about nine years of age and they were made mostly in Hong Kong and had nothing to do with Mao'ist China and his cultural (Rewriting history - the Big Lie) revolution.

Oh fine, Spring Roll's, Egg Roll's and crispy Peking duck pancake's got to give them credit there.

And they were good at using Rammed earth to build with, plenty of that rammed earth had the peasants they worked to death buried in it as well.

Were the Chinese once before the cultural revolution used to be great was in keeping traditions.


Now the Egyptians, Mesopotamians (Assyrian, Babylonian etc), Indian's, Persians (which includes the pre Islamic Hindu Kush we today called Afghanistan) were fantastic inventors, so too of course were the Greek's (but much attributed to the Greek's was probably inherited or already invented by these other close civilizations they were just better at writing it down and lucky that there language, writing etc survived due to be incorporated into the Later Roman Empire), and the Romans, triple glazed windows in the bath's of ancient Rome, plumbing (though we also have to mention the ancient Therans and also the Carthaginians in that since they had very modern bathroom's minus the modern toilette), modern sewer's etc.


Alright gun powder but given that they grind up dinosaur bones and drink them as medicine and think rhino horn is viagra, well it was probably invented by a demented Chinese doctor trying to cure a wart or something that then threw his monkey poo, sulphur and charcoal concoction into a pan to heat it and make it into something else only to blow his hat off or something.

(And the worlds first tank was probably some ancient Assyrians with an armoured cart they moved toward enemy city walls and used a battering ram to bring down, the ancient middle east also had chemical poison gas hand grenades, basically a clay jar that was filled with chemicals that turned into poison gas when it was thrown and shattered, the Greek's had Greek Fire and hand pumped flame throwers so even Chemists or if you like Alchemists were more advanced than anything in China except for that gun powder which was as I point out probably an accidental discovery since it only has three common ingredient's)

a reply to: Edumakated

I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
What have the Chinese actually invented in the 20th century or the 21st century so far?.

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch.

China was responsible for the most ocean plastic pollution per year with an estimated 2.4 million tons, about 30 percent of the global total

Source: Scientific American

China does this with just about everything. Go on Amazon and look something up and chances are there are exact duplicates of it being sold by Chinese companies with random letters for names for $1 or $2 less. It's disgusting.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

There aren't consequences though because our politicians and megacorporations like Amazon, Walmart, Apple etc have been kissing China's ass (except for Trump who actually called them out on their crap).

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Edumakated

I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

How will you sue them....In the court system in China?
You'd have to go after Amazon.
They pop up shell companies here and just change names when caught, if ever.
Different culture over there. Lying, cheating and espionage for a company is expected, or it is dishonorable.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Edumakated

I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

Problem is US customs lets the product into the US. once here it's very hard to find out who brought the product into the US and serve them a lawsuit.
The Chinese company that made the counterfeit product will just claim they know nothing about the product getting into the US.

Just check out a company called wish.com, and you will see how some of it gets to the US

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Edumakated

I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

How will you sue them....In the court system in China?
You'd have to go after Amazon.
They pop up shell companies here and just change names when caught, if ever.
Different culture over there. Lying, cheating and espionage for a company is expected, or it is dishonorable.

It's complicated I know, but that's what lawyers are for. In fact it's free if you do the easy paperwork yourself.

a reply to: LABTECH767

What have the Chinese actually invented in the 20th century or the 21st century so far?.

What?

Are you serious?

Damn, you really are lost in the sauce. So let me take a stab in the dark and say US patents don't count for you huh?

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Edumakated

I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

By the time you got a verdict in international court the company closes down changes their name and opens back up again. So anyone trying to enforce a Patent could easily spend 100s of thousands if not millions and get nothing.

Think about it all companies in China are owned by the government so you're not going to get any cooperation from them.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Edumakated

I got one word. Lawsuit.

They can copy all they want in their own country but when they sell the copyrighted products here where they originate there are potential consequences.

By the time you got a verdict in international court the company closes down changes their name and opens back up again. So anyone trying to enforce a Patent could easily spend 100s of thousands if not millions and get nothing.

Think about it all companies in China are owned by the government so you're not going to get any cooperation from them.

You're right, that’s where our government steps in. However I wouldn't expect much from the byden administration....obviously.

originally posted by: paraphi
To the OP. China has spent the last few decades stealing IP and technology. It's a sad fact that the Chiese economy is largely based off the inventiveness of others. A finaancial loss to the US and others of perhaps a trillion USD per year.

Yet Western consumers still buy Chinese.

Look. I’ll tell you something about the Chinese mindset... if he (a Chinaman) tricks you or gains advantage by deception all that it proves is his cleverness.

In the Chinese mind there is no moral issue at all here for the deceiver.

The moral fault lies with the deceived party. For allowing themselves to be ripped off. Ask any Chinese national about this and they will confirm what I am telling you.

Code of conduct and international morality 101. Cover your ass.

The poor American company should have sold his concept and rights to production to a large retail outlet and retained royalties.

That is the sad but true fact. These thieves will steal your dead mothers gold tooth if you invite them to her open casket.

a reply to: Edumakated

Been following Sean Woods since the beginning. Just like his videos. I saw this trap and was impressed. It's a shame that companies in the West allow blatant theft from China on their sites like this.

And there's the issue I'm more concerned with than China being China and ripping off companies. It's the fact that American companies allow it even when confronted with evidence that it's a clear theft. (I mean, I'm not really surprised seeing how many of these companies NEED China in order to stay afloat.)

a reply to: Aegeus

What jurisdiction do you have in China? Most of the world has been bootlegging Hollywood for ever.

Take it as a compliment, when we are stealing the plans for rubber dog # from China because we are that retarded then we are China retarded and in trouble.