Possible Connection of Vaccines to Surge of COVID in India

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
The main problem in India is that they relaxed all the rules on masks, social distancing etc, when only a very small percentage of the population had been vaccinated.

Countries with a very much larger percentage of vaccinated people are seeing no such problems

That's such BS, correlation doesn't equal causation. Not to mention less than 33% of the US is vaccinated, yet the Rt is as low as it's been. In fact Canada with even less vaccine "rollout" is doing floating that same low Rt.

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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse

A lot of Indian foods use potato and tomato sauces.

The most antiviral part of the potato is the skin, which also contains the most solanine. I do not think the solanine is the active chemical against this virus though. Now the solanine increases in green potatoes or damaged potatoes, but if it is not the active chemistry it can hurt you more than it helps. In tomato it is probably not the tomatine that protects you, Tomatine is in the lycopine family, it appears to be a different chemistry.. It is very hard to track down the exact chemistry and to then identify heat stability of that chemistry. And also there is the question as to how much is too much and if constant consumption boosts enzymes that detox that chemistry making you more dependent on consuming that food to stay healthy and maintain homeostasis. It is not a simple kind of research to do. Just like addiction to certain drugs like heroin, the body jumps the enzyme to detox it and the type of chemistry it is related to is necessary in small amounts in our bodies...when the enzyme is boosted, to remain normal you need the drug or the level of endocanniboid type chemistry goes down to low, the enzyme can deplete similar chemistries in the body to low levels. It takes weeks to a month to lower the enzyme to overcome the addiction...that goes for dopamine too, you can get hooked on sweets. In the case of alcohol addiction part of the liver can be effected too from being poisoned. Some people make lots of alcohol detoxing enzymes, when they quit, they wipe out all of the alcohol in the body which leads to a deficiency and natural alcohol created by microbes and metabolic enzymes is necessary in our body to work properly.

Metabolics is very complicated, I never could have in my wildest dreams thought that there was so much that went on behind the scenes in our bodies.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Although a variant is a possibility, there is another probably more likely possibility.

India has a gigantic population. In some areas people are practically on top of each other. Eight people on one motorcycle, 150 on a bus. With those kinds of close quarters even "regular" covid can spread quite rapidly.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yeah, there is the crowded conditions to consider, of course.

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
a reply to: JAGStorm

Yeah, there is the crowded conditions to consider, of course.

I think it's a huge consideration. I just watched a gut wrenching video.
People were taking their loved ones to the hospital. It was also overcrowded.
A son, his father and the mom were all there. The mom was on the floor and the son trying to help her
started giving her CPR... Yes with Covid. I can see how it would spread very easily in these conditions.
In another video because there was no oxygen people were fanning their relatives with cardboard fans, again
spreading the virus all over themselves and others.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
The main problem in India is that they relaxed all the rules on masks, social distancing etc, when only a very small percentage of the population had been vaccinated.

Countries with a very much larger percentage of vaccinated people are seeing no such problems

That's such BS, correlation doesn't equal causation. Not to mention less than 33% of the US is vaccinated, yet the Rt is as low as it's been. In fact Canada with even less vaccine "rollout" is doing floating that same low Rt.

health-infobase.canada.ca...

epidemicforecasting.org...

IF you look at the curve for covid infections you will see that it tracks back to two key events.

The first was a key campaigning phase for the Bengal. A lot of people were mixing in dense crowds at rallies, a lot of people were traveling around towns and villages to campaign, and there was little or no mask wearing and social distancing.

It's pretty clear from the graphs that one tracks the other.

scroll.in...

The second was a series of religious festivals which also saw mass mixing without distancing or mask wearing.

www.aljazeera.com...

You can talk about correlation and causation all you like, but sometimes correlation proves causation.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Yes, worst case scenario has the recipients of the drug becoming super spreaders, which is also a propaganda term. In this case it's really happening, especially with women and their menstrual qualities.

I'm afraid to get close to them, so many of my friends and family have taken the shot. I call them voluntary guinea pigs, just lab rats.

Strange Days Indeed, most peculiar momma!

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Although a variant is a possibility, there is another probably more likely possibility.

India has a gigantic population. In some areas people are practically on top of each other. Eight people on one motorcycle, 150 on a bus. With those kinds of close quarters even "regular" covid can spread quite rapidly.

And the masses are not healthy, they have poor nutrition.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
The main problem in India is that they relaxed all the rules on masks, social distancing etc, when only a very small percentage of the population had been vaccinated.

Countries with a very much larger percentage of vaccinated people are seeing no such problems

That's such BS, correlation doesn't equal causation. Not to mention less than 33% of the US is vaccinated, yet the Rt is as low as it's been. In fact Canada with even less vaccine "rollout" is doing floating that same low Rt.

health-infobase.canada.ca...

epidemicforecasting.org...

IF you look at the curve for covid infections you will see that it tracks back to two key events.

The first was a key campaigning phase for the Bengal. A lot of people were mixing in dense crowds at rallies, a lot of people were traveling around towns and villages to campaign, and there was little or no mask wearing and social distancing.

It's pretty clear from the graphs that one tracks the other.

scroll.in...

The second was a series of religious festivals which also saw mass mixing without distancing or mask wearing.

www.aljazeera.com...

You can talk about correlation and causation all you like, but sometimes correlation proves causation.

These situations were big in the discussions on how this all came about. Because the infection rate was headed down and restrictions were lifted, election, festival, etc.

Some questioned if this new surge was do to a variant that broke out of the developing herd immunity. If this surge is the result of a new variant strain, and factored in with daily mutations, then the goal of herd immunity seems unobtainable, vaccine or no vaccine.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

You can't really conclude anything from that. India had one of the poorest vaccination rates in the world, so the number of a fully vaccinated people there was very small.

The talk of older antibodies would pretty much refer to those who got naturally ill with COVID previously. So those natural infections aren't helping and that is scary. I am not sure if they have a very good sample to know if the vaccines are or aren't of any use, and if so which ones we might talking about as there are multiple different ones that work in very different ways.

For starters, the injections are nothing to do with vaccinating people.

The bodies responses to being jabbed with those substances does not include:
Prohibiting the corona virus from infecting the organism;
Preventing the corona virus from being transmitted by the organism, or
Removing the corona virus from the organism.

Any talk of vaccination can be dismissed out of hand and with derisive prejudice until a vaccine is developed using tried and proven, legitimate methodology. Then distributed with full disclosure of every other means of mitigating and eliminating the signs and symptoms of this virus.

The indemnity against repercussions of being injected with these substances must be argued for and against, justified logically and the justification disclosed openly and transparently before injection.

A reliable and consistent paper trail needs to be implemented, adhered to and made available to public scrutiny. Anything less is criminal obfuscation and a travesty of evil intent.

It’s people’s lives at risk here, the burden of proof and burden of responsibility should be on the manufacturers of, as well as the people who authorise the administering of, these products.

not on the targeted peeps. As it is now guilt trips and appeals to patriotism are being leveled at the unsuspecting and reasonable public. It’s unfair and a situation I can only allow myself to dismiss out of hand until the manufacturers and administrators approach the general public in an honest manner and on a level playing field.

a reply to: Dalamax


too bad they left all that logic and medical practice at the Dock ...
& the Ship has already sailed

a reply to: Salander

Oh dear lord! You're going to put us women back to the times when we had to isolate in a special hut during our bleeding because we were "unclean".

Do you hear yourself?

a reply to: Dalamax

Again, the portion of the population of India that was actually vaccinated was so friggin' low that you cannot implicate it in any real way for this.

You would have a better argument if this were taking place here in the states where you're looing at 20 to 30% vaccination rates, but you don't even have 5% in India. You might as well be back in the '80s blaming gays for every single case of HIV/AIDS because that's the percentage of the population you are talking about.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I dunno, but if what you're positing is true it bodes very, very, badly for the human race!

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
The main problem in India is that they relaxed all the rules on masks, social distancing etc, when only a very small percentage of the population had been vaccinated.

Countries with a very much larger percentage of vaccinated people are seeing no such problems

That's such BS, correlation doesn't equal causation. Not to mention less than 33% of the US is vaccinated, yet the Rt is as low as it's been. In fact Canada with even less vaccine "rollout" is doing floating that same low Rt.

health-infobase.canada.ca...

epidemicforecasting.org...

IF you look at the curve for covid infections you will see that it tracks back to two key events.

The first was a key campaigning phase for the Bengal. A lot of people were mixing in dense crowds at rallies, a lot of people were traveling around towns and villages to campaign, and there was little or no mask wearing and social distancing.

It's pretty clear from the graphs that one tracks the other.

scroll.in...

The second was a series of religious festivals which also saw mass mixing without distancing or mask wearing.

www.aljazeera.com...

You can talk about correlation and causation all you like, but sometimes correlation proves causation.

Again correlation does not equal causation, especially in the context of a "pandemic" a plethora of factors and variables come into play. For example, India's predominant COVID variant just popped up in about January and India's percentage of different variants is totally different from any surrounding countries.

There is a multitude of causes and effects... not just one or two likely dozens and dozens

nextstrain.org...

and there is this little nugget

archive.fo...-487.0-517.201

Why the world’s most vaccinated country is seeing an unprecedented spike in coronavirus cases

The effort initially seemed to be a success. The Seychelles stands as the most vaccinated nation on Earth, with more than 60 percent of its population fully vaccinated, more than other vaccine giants such as Israel and Britain, and almost twice the United States’ rate of vaccination.
But that success has been undermined this week as the Seychelles has found itself with its largest number of new coronavirus cases per capita, and has been forced to reinstate a number of restrictions.

a reply to: ketsuko

I made no such statement or recommendation. Your imagination is vivid.

I am merely discussing what others are talking about. Discussing the radical changes in menses that women are talking about is not advocacy to segregate women.

The evidence is building that those who've taken the shot can somehow spread particles related to shot, and that is not a good omen for the human race.

Will those who have taken the shot become modern day lepers? Time will tell.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
The main problem in India is that they relaxed all the rules on masks, social distancing etc, when only a very small percentage of the population had been vaccinated.

Countries with a very much larger percentage of vaccinated people are seeing no such problems

That's such BS, correlation doesn't equal causation. Not to mention less than 33% of the US is vaccinated, yet the Rt is as low as it's been. In fact Canada with even less vaccine "rollout" is doing floating that same low Rt.

health-infobase.canada.ca...

epidemicforecasting.org...

IF you look at the curve for covid infections you will see that it tracks back to two key events.

The first was a key campaigning phase for the Bengal. A lot of people were mixing in dense crowds at rallies, a lot of people were traveling around towns and villages to campaign, and there was little or no mask wearing and social distancing.

It's pretty clear from the graphs that one tracks the other.

scroll.in...

The second was a series of religious festivals which also saw mass mixing without distancing or mask wearing.

www.aljazeera.com...

You can talk about correlation and causation all you like, but sometimes correlation proves causation.

Again correlation does not equal causation, especially in the context of a "pandemic" a plethora of factors and variables come into play. For example, India's predominant COVID variant just popped up in about January and India's percentage of different variants is totally different from any surrounding countries.

There is a multitude of causes and effects... not just one or two likely dozens and dozens

nextstrain.org...

and there is this little nugget

archive.fo...-487.0-517.201

Why the world’s most vaccinated country is seeing an unprecedented spike in coronavirus cases

The effort initially seemed to be a success. The Seychelles stands as the most vaccinated nation on Earth, with more than 60 percent of its population fully vaccinated, more than other vaccine giants such as Israel and Britain, and almost twice the United States’ rate of vaccination.
But that success has been undermined this week as the Seychelles has found itself with its largest number of new coronavirus cases per capita, and has been forced to reinstate a number of restrictions.

"with more than 60 percent of its population fully vaccinated" (60,000+)
6,000 people out of a total population of nearly 100,000 have contracted COVID, or 6% with 1,068 active cases (a little over 1%).
Of that 1% of active cases, "around 65 percent involved residents who were either completely unvaccinated or had received only one dose" meaning 35% (of 1% of the total) had both vaccines already with the rest being an unknown amount of single doses.

They didn't give any figures on the total number of fully vaccinated people who caught COVID, just left a possible number in the figures for current cases without actually stating it outright. Without that figure, it looks like the vaccinations are working pretty well. Still, we aren't told how many of that 6% of the population that caught it to date were vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Jennifer Huang Bouey, an epidemiologist who works with the Rand Corp., estimated that given what was known about the Seychelles’ vaccine rollout and the vaccines used, less than 49 percent of the population could be assumed to have immunity conferred by vaccines.

So, out of the 60% vaccinated, only 49% are "assumed" to have immunity, so 89% effective vaccine program?

We need the source reports to dig deeper on this interesting case study. I suspect this report will be found to be biased once the source studies are examined. I tire of the assumptions, maybe, could be, likely to, and other inconclusive statements about these studies.

I could state the following like they do, "Study results find likely connections between assumed facts of potential adverse consequences" when the facts actually are, "Study results find no connections between non-facts of imagined adverse consequences."