Three Prophectic signs that point to the end times

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: rickymouse

Ricky you're great in Medicine but study the Bible mate. There is no Hell in the Bible

Unless you're a Viking and Hell is good luck

Hell, Norway - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org... › wiki › Hell,_Norway
The name Hell stems from the Old Norse word hellir, which means "overhang" or "cliff cave". It has a more used homonym in modern Norwegian that means "luck".

Yeah, hell was created much later. They make reference to the Abiss in the bible, but that refers to the deep ocean and not hell. But to fit into the times and my conditioning being brought up as Lutheran, I tend to parrot the hell thing quite often. I cannot work that out of my consciousness, I was programmed from young about hell. My parents would say that lying and stealing will get you a pass to hell, they learned from their parents, my grandfather quoted hell as a destination and so did my grandma on my mothers side. I used to be an aqualite in church till I turned eighteen....which I am proud of to this day.

I may believe different than Christians in that I believe Jesus was a Messiah and that this world is a reality where we are tested to see if we are worthy of going to the real reality. Heaven is just the real world, if we are sociable and honest there, and we respect nature and try not to destroy this garden of Eden we live in, we could possibly be born into the real world. The reality we live in here could just be some very advanced computer program that was created in our future, I cannot rule that out. If we fail to qualify to fit into society, then what happens to us.

I do believe in the supreme consciousness that presides in our universe and beyond but also believe that the earth has it's own collective consciousness, which would be a local part of god. If this is true, then this collective consciousness of everything that lives on this planet does not give us special rights to destroy other lifeforms just because we can...with science as our tool to do that. Wisdom does not promote destroying the biodome we live in, but people interpret the bible to say that we can do anything we want, we were given that right by god....the same god that kicked Adam and eve from the garden of Eden for eating something that they should not have been eating.

In the bible, god makes bets with his son, Satan, as to the worthiness of Lot. That does not show that God and Satan are enemies, Satan is gods son and I will not start cutting down Satan, he is the one that delivers a test for us of our worthiness. If we fall for his deception and start parroting it or become bad, it is our fault not his. We were warned not to be greedy and deceive people and we are given a chance to repent....that isn't going so good these days, seems like society makes martyrs out of criminals.

A Messiah is a person filled with the spirit and wisdom of god, I cannot believe that Jesus was actually god's begotten son, he only became the Messiah when he was about thirty from what I read, and only because he linked to the presence of god when he passed his test. I am by no means a Messiah, and not a holy man by any means. But I respect the Christians that are good people very much, although some people pretend to be Christians but are just acting. I also respect the Dali Laama, he seems to be a good guy. I don't know much about the Musslim religion, but I still respect the Muslims as long as they are good people and respect the rights of others...which is kind of a problem for some major leaders of the Islam.

I also respect the rights of Athiests if they don't force their beliefs on others. Trouble is they have a tendency to be pushy. I actually fit right in with those who respect mother earth, the local conscious of god. But I am never going to be forced to choose sides, in this country we have freedom of religion, I do not have to follow the rule, you are either with us or against us.

a reply to: rickymouse

I tend to parrot the hell thing quite often. I cannot work that out of my consciousness

FAir enough


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Medieval theologians of Western Europe described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: Hell of the Damned, Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants.

All Satan means is the accuser

The word is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose". When it is used without the definite article (simply satan), the word can refer to any accuser, but when it is used with the definite article (ha-satan), it usually refers specifically to the heavenly accuser: the satan.

Luther was a pretty cool martyr who showed those Catholics!

I am by no means a Messiah, and not a holy man by any means. But I respect the Christians that are good people very much, although some people pretend to be Christians but are just acting

But you are a gifted Teacher, I'd spend weeks talking to you over a beer if I ever revisit the States. Your research into medicine and health leave me gobsmacked. Keep up the good work!

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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Have you ever researched Sanat Kumara? There are articles about him on the net, he is the one who is supposed to deliver the test of worthiness....Sanat....Satan....Is it a coincidence that all the same letters are in the name?

Things were taken from other cultures all over the world to form the translation of the bible to what it is today. Many bibles differ in the translations too, and all in their type of Christianity are taught to believe in their translation. Words do not translate from language to language well, facial expression is missing, so is how it was said and how society interpreted things in different societies or different centuries also varied. To make Christianity be accepted in Europe, they included hell. It kind of looks like Helsinki is involved in that translation, that may have been where one of the line of Odin ruled from some time in the past.. But that is just what one historian thought, I read a lot of the far northern history on one of my crazy OCD journeys. Including the line of Odin and even the invention of Santa clause....notice the same letters in Santa as Satan, and Sanat. The one that delivers the test of worthiness.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I get a different reading on toxon from Strong's (G5115):

τόξον tóxon, tox'-on; from the base of G5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric):—bow.

One source

The root of G5088 doesn't seem to help me much there either:

τίκτω tíktō, tik'-to; a strengthened form of a primary τέκω tékō tek'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively:—bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail.

One source

That said, toxon does appear quite similar to "toxic" now that I think about it. Perhaps I should look into the wording a bit more.

or Ghengis Khan

John of Patmos was Jewish, however, and even Jesus Himself said on multiple occasions he came first for the Jews. Prophesy tends to limit itself to one's own nationality, or in a few cases a nationality that one feels closely tied to. Thus, I read Revelation as being written from a decidedly Jewish point of view. Hitler committed atrocities toward the Jewish people; Khan did not. Ghenghis Khan, while he could be seen to fit the prophesy in many ways, was in another part of the world from Israel.

The 1915 use of chlorine does not fit chronologically. It happened before the red or black horse. The pale horse cannot appear until the others have run their course. The simple act of a substance being used does not itself verify a prophesy; swords were used long before any of Revelation was even written, yet the red horseman carried a sword.

My personal view is that any nuclear exchange will be minimal if there is any at all. A nuclear exchange could create such vast damage as to make the entire planet uninhabitable, and even the maddest madman surely knows that in the back of their mind. Of course, there is the possibility that nukes may be used outside of Israel; again, Revelations was written by a Jew and is therefore centered around the Jewish people and Israel. That would not preclude limited nuclear exchange in other parts of the world.

I also make a distinction between the Tribulation (seven year reign of the Anti-Christ) and tribulations (trials that many unfortunately suffer through). I have gone through tribulations in my life as well; I believe we almost all do at some point or another. They will pale in comparison, however, to the Tribulation of the Anti-Christ.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
Sure India and Pakistan have had their flashpoints in the past.

Have you seen the reports of the current death-rate in India? If the country collapses into anarchy, there could be enough civil strife there to have the effect of war. Do a Google search on India and Covid, and you will find suggestions from economists that trouble in India could spark off similar trouble in other developing countries. My remark about the world entering a "very, very dark period" was quoted from a news report about a comment from WHO.

I'm not going to pretend to be a prophet and claim that it will happen that way, but for anyone capable of looking at current events and projecting them forward, it's impossible to ignore the potential.

This being a thread about the possible timing of events, I'm not going to side-track it into a discussion of why God doesn't work the way you think he should.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
Josephus? Surely with your extensive studies you should know he is the only historian who attests to a Jesus figure

You cant refute that Nero was an anti Christ

I still don't see how either of those points affects anything that I said.

For an Empire that were so meticulous with records you'd think Jesus would have been a more mentioned figure.

They did not keep administrative records that survived for two thousand years. That is why "not found in the records" is a silly objection. Modern history knows almost nothing of the details of what Pilate did in Palestine, and very few individuals in the rest of the Empire got talked about in Rome, where they created the literature that got copied and recopied.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
We are actually at either the end of the third horseman or the be beginnings of the fourth. Without writing a book, the horsemen do not come at once... they come in sequence,

Remember, the last one is Death. If they arrive separately, then Plague and War and Famine are each coming without the involvement of Death, which would be absurd. The only explanation which makes sense of treating Death as a separate item is that they all come nearly together, which would account for the death-toll and the sense of catastrophe.

A further confirmation can be found in the fact that the bow in question is not a bow as in a bow and arrow; it is not a weapon.

In Homer, and metaphorically in the Psalms, plague comes from the impact of arrows sent by the sun.

a reply to: DISRAELI

the last one is Death.

That appears a bit simplistic to me.

John of Patmos is describing a vision he has seen. In it, he sees the Lamb of God slain, an obvious reference to Jesus of Nazareth and His death and resurrection. Before this appearance of Jesus, he also sees the book where all these things are written, but it cannot be opened (the seals broken) because no one is worthy to do so except the Lamb of God. Therefore, we do have a causal connection at the very onset of the vision: one action cannot occur until another is completed. That indicates a chronological progression.

Each seal is then opened, one by one... again, a chronological progression. The seals seem to represent various sections, "chapters" if you will, of the book. A book itself is chronological, as one typically reads a book from the beginning to the end. In this case, each section must be unsealed in turn, further forcing a causal progression of events in a chronological order.

In reference to the final horseman, simply calling it "Death" removes a lot of the detail that John saw. Revelation 6:8:

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

I use the Blue Letter Bible website quite frequently as a convenience, and it does entitle the second, third, and fourth horsemen as "War," "Famine," and "Death," respectively. However, those titles are the website's interpretation and not actually in the Holy Bible. They are extraneous simplifications placed to help people to locate certain sections they may find an interest in. The actual vision John saw includes much more detail.

I have already mentioned the implications of the color. The word that was translated as "Death" is thanatos, which refers to physical death as well as the torment of a death in sin. "Hell" is from the word hadēs, which refers to the place the spirit goes after physical death (the underworld). It does not refer to a burning pit of fire and brimstone for torment of the evil dead as many might think... as a side note, that vision of Hell is not even translated as the word "hell." That is man's interpretation, but has apparently captured so many imaginations it has become a staple in many denominations.

John then specifies how this rider named Death and the underworld that follows him will slay people: with a broadsword (rhomphaia, think of the type of sword used in the Conan the Barbarian stories), with a lack of food [limos), with death itself (again, thanatos), and with diminutive beasts (thērion).

I find that last method to be interesting.... thērion is the diminutive version of thēra, which refers to a wild animal one might hunt for game. This could be in the form of insects used to devastate crops, or could it possibly refer to bacterial agents? That would be stretching it a bit IMO, but in reality bacteria are members of the animal kingdom (wild beasts) and are certainly diminutive... and they can certainly kill. It would also fall in line with the implications of the horse's color.

Anyway, my point to all this is that the fourth horseman is specified as bringing plague and famine and war himself. It makes no sense to me to mention each of these trials one by one, in a manner that strongly suggests chronological order, then to repeat them all at once in the fourth horseman, if the fourth horseman is simply a continuation of the three before him. It makes more sense to me to see the first rider as being renowned for conquest, the second for making war, the third for implementing extreme poverty, and the last for being deadlier than the ones before him.

TheRedneck

a reply to: DISRAELI

Have you seen the reports of the current death-rate in India? If the country collapses into anarchy, there could be enough civil strife there to have the effect of war. Do a Google search on India and Covid, and you will find suggestions from economists that trouble in India could spark off similar trouble in other developing countries. My remark about the world entering a "very, very dark period" was quoted from a news report about a comment from WHO.

I agree completely

I'm not going to side-track it into a discussion of why God doesn't work the way you think he should.

No disrespect but doesnt he say I'm all what I am yesterday today and tomorrow? or something to that effect. But fair enough i respect your choice

a reply to: TheRedneck
Onr reason for the apparent duplication is that the chapter is echoing two different Old Tesdtament references.
The land is threatened with "pestilence, the sword, famine, and captivity" (Jeremiah ch15 v2)
The land is threatened with "Pestilence, the sword, famine, and wiild beasts" (Ezekiel ch 14 v21, ch5 v17).

While the overall structure of the four horsemen echoes Jeremiah, with only one change, v8 is also echoing Ezekiel.

Incidentally, these echoes confirm in my mind that "Pestilence" is the first in the series.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I followed your boths conversations about horses with intrigue and entertainment.

Just some thought that I could not shake off and now post here.

Black horse with the balances could be Obama. He (allegedly) fought for fair treatment of POC, a balance or scale can be a symbol for that. Around his time was also the financial crash. A balance scale is something used in sales.

The metaphor about justice being balanced IMHO is derived from the usage of a scale, to make a fair deal. See it's even in our current wording.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: TzarChasm
If I was the Antichrist, the last source I would look to for inspiration is biblical prophecies. As if I would consider even for a moment leaning on such texts as an instruction guide for how to take over the world. I would likely do my best to undermine and discredit those documents as the most efficient way to disarm the public instead of exposing myself by doing exactly what they predicted.

But that source has been instrumental in the take over of the world. why would you reinvent the wheel?

Because that's what they were told to look for. Why make it easy for them to see me coming if I'm the antichrist and not a complete idiot? Maybe the idiots are the ones who think this antichrist guy can't come up with a much better plan in 2,000 years time. Really underselling his evil mastermind shtick.

Because God decrees it to be so and although the Antichrist may not be an idiot, people are stupid.

How can there be a better plan then have the sheep watch you unfold an evil that they have had written out for them to study and prepare against for 2000 years.

Seems diabolical to me.

a reply to: DISRAELI

God tends to do things the same way time after time... which makes sense to me. We do not re-invent the internal combustion engine every time we design a new car. He takes what works and stays with it whenever it meets His needs. However...

Both Jeremiah and Exekiel, in the verses mentioned, are prophesying about the Fall of Jerusalem, which already happened. John of Patmos is prophesying about happenings in the end times, which are yet to come. Beware of confusing the past and the future; while God can and often does use the same means in both to achieve His ends, He is under no obligation to do so.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: TzarChasm
If I was the Antichrist, the last source I would look to for inspiration is biblical prophecies. As if I would consider even for a moment leaning on such texts as an instruction guide for how to take over the world. I would likely do my best to undermine and discredit those documents as the most efficient way to disarm the public instead of exposing myself by doing exactly what they predicted.

But that source has been instrumental in the take over of the world. why would you reinvent the wheel?

Because that's what they were told to look for. Why make it easy for them to see me coming if I'm the antichrist and not a complete idiot? Maybe the idiots are the ones who think this antichrist guy can't come up with a much better plan in 2,000 years time. Really underselling his evil mastermind shtick.

Because God decrees it to be so and although the Antichrist may not be an idiot, people are stupid.

How can there be a better plan then have the sheep watch you unfold an evil that they have had written out for them to study and prepare against for 2000 years.

Seems diabolical to me.

Then obviously this antichrist guy is a helpless moron who can't make a decision for himself without asking god what to do. In which case, why the hell is he an evil mastermind prophecied to try and conquer the world. None of you explained makes any sense.

It can't be both "stupid human being a bad guy because God said so" AND "devious criminal overlord who likes being a bad guy and is apparently really good at it because he succeeds in toppling governments and exalting himself in their place"

Those concepts are not compatible.

a reply to: TheRedneck

God does what works. We're doomed to fall for it because we never learn. It's like playing football - if your opponent keeps falling for a play, make them stop you instead of changing what works.

a reply to: TheRedneck
I'm not looking for examples of God repeating himself. I'm looking for the way that Revelation is built up on images and thoughts from the Old Testament, so that our knowledge of the Old Testament gives most of the clues we need to understand what Revelation is saying. For example, the Four Horsemen themselves are an echo of Zechariah ch1 and ch6, so that we learn what God is doing in Revelation ch6 by understanding what he is up to in Zechariah.

I meant to start bumping that 2010 Revelation series, and forgot.

a reply to: ketsuko

Agreed, and I like your analogy.

Is there intelligent life in space? Who cares? We haven't found intelligent life here yet.

TheRedneck

a reply to: DISRAELI

We can learn what God has done in the past, and use that to understand what He is doing now, yes. However, that does not guarantee what God will do in the future.

For example, we know that God uses astronomical events to mark moments of importance... the Star of Bethlehem when Jesus was born is an example. It served as both a guide and an alert to the Wise Men so they could find the Son of God and King of the Jews. Some say it was a supernova that appeared; I don't know. Whatever it was, it was an astronomical event used by God for that purpose. We know that God uses earthquakes, pestilence, and confusion to steer mankind in the proper direction, so when we see an earthquake, a pestilence, or unexplained confusion, we can wonder if this is God behind it all steering us in the proper direction.

I believe God uses these tactics over and over again because He knows the mind of man. After all, He created man. It would indeed be strange for a Creator to not understand His creation. These are simply the things that will command our attention.

But when it comes to prophesy, we see only darkly; we know not how these events will unfold, the various personalities and individual desires that might lead to the things that are prophesied. I don't think we can know all of this in advance... it has been said that the Universe is the smallest it can be to hold all the knowledge it contains. God will always use the best method to do what He needs done. It may be likely that He will use a method that He has used in the past, but it is by no means guaranteed.

Therefore I am of the mind that whenever one considers prophesy, one must accept the prophesy as written or discount it completely. It cannot be as written and as expected; if it were, there would be no need for prophesy as all things could be predicted from past actions.

As an example: there are two routes I can use to go from my home to the nearest town for supplies. One is a bit longer, but with better roads so one may travel at a faster rate. In the end, there is a point where which road I use doesn't matter; I will arrive in the same amount of time using about the same amount of gas either way. There are also various obstacles that I have to consider that lie along each route: one way I have to pass through two school zones which slow down traffic; the other is prone to flooding after heavy rains. The point is that while I may travel one the majority of the time, it does not follow that I will travel the same route tomorrow if I go to town; perhaps the roads may be flooded by rains one way, or perhaps I will be traveling during the time the school zones are active. Anyone who simply knows I will be going to town that day might be able to estimate that I would likely use a particular route, but could not say for certain which route I would use. I might even decide through a lack of consideration of variables that I will take the worst route!

How many different ways does God have at His disposal to effect the things we are being told will come to pass? Many more than I have routes to town, I would wager.

TheRedneck

a reply to: rickymouse

How the heck did you reach those conclusions?

I have read the Bible and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I haven't seen it anywhere in there what your talking about.

I don't get why you would say Jesus is not the son and Satan is?

No offense Ricky but to me that post sounded like false prophecy and deception.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life.