Militarization Of British Police

. . . the Government recognises the value and contribution veterans can bring through their life experiences and strong transferable skills.

www.polfed.org...

The British government want military skills in policing. This seems like overkill. The military have always played a part in British policing. Surveillance, infiltration and some arrests are easily admitted to. Executions, beatings and harassment are not so easily admitted to, but they have occurred, Orgreave, Beanfield, de Menezes etc. Military skills are used when wanted.

The skills needed for policing are taught efficiently. No transferable military skills are needed.

Ex-military police sometimes behave as if they're facing a lethal threat when they're carrying out a standard policing task. This can heighten tensions and cause escalation. In these cases their memories of their previous military life experiences lead to avoidable harm.

a reply to: Kester

This is good 100%. I saw soldiers used as police in other countries. It works.

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: Kester

This is good 100%. I saw soldiers used as police in other countries. It works.

Was it Ireland?.

Maybe it was Iraq?.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Hahaa now thats funny.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

No idea about Ireland but even today you can see military forces patrolling curfew areas in several countries where they don't count with enough police.

a reply to: Kester

Don't be fooled. They don't want to militarize them to catch criminals. Just watch how the system of law allows P Doh's to run free. They want them militarized to protect the ruling elite from the serfs who have had enough of their governmental criminality.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Kester

Don't be fooled. They don't want to militarize them to catch criminals. Just watch how the system of law allows P Doh's to run free. They want them militarized to protect the ruling elite from the serfs who have had enough of their governmental criminality.

And that's it in a nutshell. It's not about keeping US safe. It's about keeping THEM safe.

originally posted by: Kester

. . . the Government recognises the value and contribution veterans can bring through their life experiences and strong transferable skills.

www.polfed.org...

The British government want military skills in policing. This seems like overkill. The military have always played a part in British policing. Surveillance, infiltration and some arrests are easily admitted to. Executions, beatings and harassment are not so easily admitted to, but they have occurred, Orgreave, Beanfield, de Menezes etc. Military skills are used when wanted.

The skills needed for policing are taught efficiently. No transferable military skills are needed.

Ex-military police sometimes behave as if they're facing a lethal threat when they're carrying out a standard policing task. This can heighten tensions and cause escalation. In these cases their memories of their previous military life experiences lead to avoidable harm.

Oh, things are WAAAAY better than they used to be. The British police are a kinder gentler force than they've ever been in the last 100 years. No water canons, no tear gas. No smacking you upside the head with a truncheon randomly on the street.

Things were 100 times worse in the 1970s and 1980s. Just look up how they dealt with fights outside of football grounds. There's a load of video of batten charges where they would just wade into the crowds and start smacking anybody that didn't run away fast enough.

Now they use 4 people to drag one person out of the crowd by their arms and legs.

20 years ago they'd just smack you with a truncheon and drag you out by your hair.

a reply to: Kester

Thatchers Britain. 1980's Those were the days. Police on horses batton charging striking miners. Thatcher blocking any settlement. All that over time, great for the white goods industry. All that democracy, great for the economy.

Militarising the Police isn't the issue. My great grandfather was in the army (he served in the Sudan fighting Muslim militants....) then came home and joined the Police and served 25 years as I recall.

Its politicisation you should be afraid of.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Kester

. . . the Government recognises the value and contribution veterans can bring through their life experiences and strong transferable skills.

www.polfed.org...

The British government want military skills in policing. This seems like overkill. The military have always played a part in British policing. Surveillance, infiltration and some arrests are easily admitted to. Executions, beatings and harassment are not so easily admitted to, but they have occurred, Orgreave, Beanfield, de Menezes etc. Military skills are used when wanted.

The skills needed for policing are taught efficiently. No transferable military skills are needed.

Ex-military police sometimes behave as if they're facing a lethal threat when they're carrying out a standard policing task. This can heighten tensions and cause escalation. In these cases their memories of their previous military life experiences lead to avoidable harm.

Now they use 4 people to drag one person out of the crowd by their arms and legs.

20 years ago they'd just smack you with a truncheon and drag you out by your hair.

No. Now they film you and let the situation unfold. And when you think you've got clean away, Bang. in goes your door at 5 in the morning. Smart policing.

a reply to: Doxanoxa

You beat me to it. There have always been veterans in the police.

My mate's dad was sent up from the met in South London to South Yorkshire and made enough in overtime to pay off his mortgage. He's always been open about the squaddies who dressed up as coppers for a few months.

The real issue is the predictable public order legislation that will follow the double economic impact of COVID and Brexit, the current Bill being the thin end of the wedge. Nationally, we already have a police system that is cosier with the executive than it is with the judiciary. It's only a matter of time before they become the enforcement arm of the state.

a reply to: Kester

Now this is a perfect example of how you can never please some people.

"Militiarization of the police." I thought I was going to read about new tactics or weaponry being given to the old constables who rely on words and pepper spray. Maybe the old army trucks are being retired to some police garages. But nope, since they've already been neutered by the aforementioned complainers, the only militarization left is, wait for it,

Saying it's a good market for veterans to be welcomed into!

Oh the horror!


Good grief.

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: Soloprotocol

No idea about Ireland but even today you can see military forces patrolling curfew areas in several countries where they don't count with enough police.

It was a joke about the black and tans.

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: Soloprotocol

No idea about Ireland but even today you can see military forces patrolling curfew areas in several countries where they don't count with enough police.

He was being sarcastic mate.

Bloody Sunday?

a reply to: Kester

This is what I have been saying since the start. If the people at the top wanted to get rid of police they would just get rid of the bull# laws. The fact is they want the laws so they can go after any dissidents by making it impossible to avoid breaking laws. The police are the fly on the ointment. They need the military to enforce the laws in order to advance their globalist agenda. That cannot happen without breaking the public trust in law enforcement as we currently know it.

originally posted by: Iconic

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: Soloprotocol

No idea about Ireland but even today you can see military forces patrolling curfew areas in several countries where they don't count with enough police.

It was a joke about the black and tans.

I didn't get it but I didn't get upset neither

originally posted by: Kester

. . . the Government recognises the value and contribution veterans can bring through their life experiences and strong transferable skills.

www.polfed.org...

The British government want military skills in policing. This seems like overkill. The military have always played a part in British policing. Surveillance, infiltration and some arrests are easily admitted to. Executions, beatings and harassment are not so easily admitted to, but they have occurred, Orgreave, Beanfield, de Menezes etc. Military skills are used when wanted.

The skills needed for policing are taught efficiently. No transferable military skills are needed.

Ex-military police sometimes behave as if they're facing a lethal threat when they're carrying out a standard policing task. This can heighten tensions and cause escalation. In these cases their memories of their previous military life experiences lead to avoidable harm.

"Militirization"?

What? Coppers are being given tanks and stuff?

No.

a reply to: Kester

Not just the U.K. look at riot police uniforms they are virtually the same the world over. They look like ninja robo cops or something. It also seems police has the same meaning and spelling in many places too.

What I think is really happening though is the privatisation of the police through defunding and rise rise of security firms. In America they have even privatised some prisons..

Look for more gated communities with there own private security coming to your area while those communities outside of them are left to crumble.

The city of London (the square mile not London itself) has its own private police, it’s own Lord Mayor and surrounding wall. The original gated community.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Kester

Not just the U.K. look at riot police uniforms they are virtually the same the world over. They look like ninja robo cops or something.

Not just riot police, here in Australia cops used to wear shirt, pants, hat and a badge and a gun on their belt with some cuffs. and that was basically it, maybe a jacket or coat when it got cold and wet.

Now they have full blown tactical vests with a billion pockets on them. Although I imagine that many of those pockets contain supplies for medical emergencies along with zip ties and capsicum spray and other tools to assist arresting people.

Any way, visuals aside and back to OP topic, I don't have an issue with ex-military becoming cops. A cop could be an ex-school teacher and still be a murdering asshole.

Entry should be based on a thorough psychological assessment and testing regardless of who you are or your job history and your capability to do the job correctly.
I've known as many soldiers I wouldn't dare give a badge to as I've known ones who would make excellent cops.
Same for cops I've known with no past military or 'security' experience or background.
I've met some truly exceptional policemen who I believe are exactly what the police should be, defenders of the people who employ them, and I have met pieces of crap who are definitely corrupt and cops for the power trip.

Lot of asshole police I know were bullied and unpopular as children and it's obvious they became police to get back at society and get off on telling people what to do, the ones who keep looking at you until they can make you into a criminal.

Only thing I think to consider when it comes to ex-military is there should be a cooling back period for soldiers who deployed in combat zones. Say 4 years between returning home from murdering foreign goat herders to becoming a police officer.
A chance to properly transition back to civilian life and get back to living in a world where you do not need to see every other human as a threat. Also a chance for any issues like PTSD to properly come out of the wood work.

That's the issue I have with some ex-military policemen, when you see videos where they brag about being ex-marines, while behaving like they're still dealing with civilians back in a warzone and they clearly joined the police the moment they left the forces.

But that is only some of them and not all of them. So it's still all down to judge them on a case by case basis.
We should never throw anyone under the bus just because 'guilt by association'.

Heck I would think many combat vets would be great cops if only they're used to operating in highly stressful situations.

So yeah, end of the day as with any police, it's a matter of regulating things properly and holding those who abuse their position or break the law accountable. That's the real issue these days. Reminding the cops they're public officials employed by the public's taxes and they are not a government gang. And dealing with the bad ones appropriately as needed.