Free E-book - 'The Cryptoterrestrials'.

originally posted by: Arnie123
Thanks for this thread and much appreciated.


Sounds more plausible than ET, right?

Wrong....

originally posted by: DragonsDemesne

I don't personally believe that extraterrestrials have visited Earth, but I have never seen the idea posited that a "sister race" has co-evolved on Earth. For that alone, I want to take a look at what's said here. I fully expect not to believe it, but the idea is so fascinating that I feel it deserves a look for that if nothing else.

Well can't say fairer than that DragonsDemesne and thanks for the post.

Don't know if you've looked through any of the UFO literature regarding occupants but as already mentioned their behaviour does share certain parallels with Fae lore.

Jacques Vallee also pointed out that many accounts of UFO landings 'have the undeniable flavor of staged events' and when it comes to repeatedly witnessed aspects like collecting fauna/soil samples, fixing their vehicles, asking for water etc.. then Nick Redfern also once described it as 'emphasizing the ET meme'.

Here's Mac Tonnies take on it.

I'm reminded of the various people in those old 50s and 60s cases who just conveniently stumbled upon "aliens" taking "soil samples" etc.

To me, that sounds like a classic "stage performance" to reinforce the idea of aliens checking out our biology, fauna, etc.

If they wanted to, they could easily do it without being seen.

But ensuring they _are_ seen and that the ET motif is reinforced, seems to be a part of the agenda.

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John Keel also presents some freaky info on UFO landings in this talk and brings up the 'clumsy' behaviour of occupants - he also describes a very relevant article by French researcher Aimé Michel.

From 25:10

Sticking with the contrived behaviour theme then also thought José Antonio Caravaca asked some important questions here.

But for our study the most interesting thing is to decipher why a presumed extraterrestrial would show himself surprised in the presence of a witness after landing hundreds of times? 

Why does he repeat his amazement in the presence of a human being in the surroundings of a UFO? And similarly, how many times would he need to repair his flying saucer in front of a witness? How many ground samples does he need to collect? How many glasses of water does he need to drink to quench his thirst? How many times would these "scientific" aliens need to perform a medical exam on a human? Why would a suspected alien stay static at the side of a road while the witness drives by? Why do all these actions repeat themselves over and over again? Why haven't the occupants of UFOs evolved over time in their behavior and relationship to humans, only repeating certain behavioral patterns? Why do the occupants after hundreds, perhaps thousands of landings, keep repeating these same behavioral-like mantras?

The UFO Occupants Trapped In An Infinite Loop

Cheers.

Why not use the latest buzz word as a prefix hey ?
They already have pronouns for fairies.


Crypto means encryption, which any alien worth their salt would do on a atomic level. perhaps on even deeper levels too.

Maybe the earth only looks spherical due to it being encrypted in this way, to throw of scientist.

originally posted by: rom12345

Why not use the latest buzz word as a prefix hey ?

Well, he did write it eleven years ago.

originally posted by: rom12345

Crypto means encryption

Think he was more going for the Latin meaning of 'hidden or secret' but not to worry.

If you're interested then this vid delves more into the pros and cons of the concept.

I do also suspect that They,or at least some of Them,are our genetic relatives.

Even Jacques Vallee seems to subtly suggest this in an interview where he talks about the design of the famous front cover of his book,Passport to Magonia,the one with an alien holding in his hand different masks.He said that the original design of the artist that did the book cover was supposed to feature not an alien,but an alien puppet with a HUMAN hand in it.He said the artist saw through the deception of the UFO Phenomenon.


Luis Elizondo:"What does it mean to be human?... But what if for a moment Mankind wasn't singular.Maybe,just for a moment,it's Mankinds,PLURAL!Are we as a society even prepared to have that conversation?"


Excerpt from MJ-12 document:"Human origins may not be constrained to one planet.Our genus may be found among solar systems similar to our own.The laws of physics and genetics may have a genesis in a higher,structured order that once previously thought."

originally posted by: Tinel

Even Jacques Vallee seems to subtly suggest this in an interview where he talks about the design of the famous front cover of his book,Passport to Magonia,the one with an alien holding in his hand different masks.He said that the original design of the artist that did the book cover was supposed to feature not an alien,but an alien puppet with a HUMAN hand in it.He said the artist saw through the deception of the UFO Phenomenon.

Yes have heard that interview mate and thanks for bringing that image up - TA did a good vid featuring it below and there's another freaky incident described here from Sweden in 1759 (as published in Vallee's 'Wonders In The Sky').





There does appear to be close similarities between UFO/Faerie abductees being offered 'thick liquids' to drink and strange pills to swallow and Joshua Cutchin has conducted some great work on Faerie 'food taboos' and non-human encounters in his book 'A Trojan Feast''.

Now and again, a book is published that is destined to become a classic. Granted, it doesn’t happen too often nowadays in Ufology, but when it does, it’s well worth the wait.. Jacques Vallee’s Passport to Magonia did a fine job of noting the parallels between today’s alien encounters and centuries-old interaction with the faeries, the “wee folk” of times long gone. Cutchin, however, takes things to a whole new level as he notes the incredible similarities that exist between food offerings then and now – and provided to us by entities that many might assume have no connection, but which so obviously do.

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Also more here on UFO occupants offering people thick, brightly coloured liquids.

Cheers.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Arnie123
Thanks for this thread and much appreciated.


Sounds more plausible than ET, right?

Wrong....

Mmmm, okay, care to elaborate?

I've actually been reading the book, 290 pages total, currently at 227.

It makes some incredible comparisons to many cases and resorts to occams razor and sound reasoning for many of the phenomena we deal with.

Basically, the premise is such that a sister race, or Ancient civilization that may have been our Masters in the past and gradually began to lose grip on the Human civilization and over time, simply let Humans do what they do, keeping a small group of informed people of who and what they are and capable of.

As long as they can keep people staring at the skies for "Aliens", they themselves can continue on unabated. Is it really hard to imagine beings, peers, capable of also staging theatrics? They obviously been living here for some time and have an understanding of the language.

Point is, eventually Humanity will reach its so called Technologically singularity and it is then that the "REAL" World will be revealed to us, or those select few.

originally posted by: Arnie123

I've actually been reading the book, 290 pages total, currently at 227.

It makes some incredible comparisons to many cases and resorts to occams razor and sound reasoning for many of the phenomena we deal with.

Happy reading mate and do agree about there being some sound reasoning - there's a good breakdown of the book in the 10th anniversary article below and thought this vid also raised a few related points.


The Cryptoterrestrials: 10 Years After Publication


It was written over 50 years ago but would certainly recommend this one as a follow up book.

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a reply to: karl 12

Thanks for the link and amazingly insightful book especially considering his age and that he did not seem to have had any direct experiences with "the others" on which to base his ideas.

Also that he was careful to state those views as ideas for further research / discussion / theorising, not the final answer.

I agree with most of those ideas having come to the same conclusions myself but do find it hard to accept the evolutionary split premise and living among, or along side us due to lack of any physical evidence.

I guess I could accept that through some evolutionary offshoot the ability was found to transcend the immediate physical environment and a small group of humans then devolved into this shadowy race. It is without doubt that the phenomenon shows a remarkable understanding of the human psyche so who knows, it may explain why it seems to sit slightly on the benevolent side of the scales, for the most part anyway.

a reply to: chunder


Thanks for the post mate and really do agree about the insightful and entertaining speculation on Tonnies part - don't know about the timeline or evolutionary cousins but suppose the natural inclination of all sentient surface dwellers would be to go underground in times of (prepping for) cataclysm so could be a remote possibility that it's already happened in the remote past.

Also, don't think there's a place in the world that hasn't got folklore involving 'underworlds' and was put in mind of this post.

The pantheon of earth elementals is found in a great many tribes around the world and when it comes to the Kingdom of the Faerie/Fae folk they are often described as rather old, wizened, diminutive creatures with large magical eyes -also as rather dark, sinister entities (or mischievous tricksters) who live in an invisible realm but have occasional interaction with humans. 

Having said that there are also a great many different sizes and shapes reported (just like UFOs and occupants) and they're also said to live deep underground 'in darkened hollows, in mounds that opened up into vast, cavernous, winding regions..'

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Bit of a headscratcher when it comes to the oceans but there's some relevant testimony below from Naval pilot Graham Bethune flying a C-54 over the Atlantic.

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originally posted by: karl 12
There does appear to be close similarities between UFO/Faerie abductees being offered 'thick liquids' to drink and strange pills to swallow and Joshua Cutchin has conducted some great work on Faerie 'food taboos' and non-human encounters in his book 'A Trojan Feast''.

One of my favorite alien / fairy behaviors is being an "Indian giver." Giving a precious gift that then gets taken back. The creatures offer their human guests a gift - often a book, sometimes gold or some other treasure -- but right before the visit ends they take it back, saying that the circumstances are not quite right to give this thing to them yet. Even Betty and Barney Hill experienced it. So common and so ridiculous.

My thought is, where do they do their manufacturing? Where do they farm? Where do they get rid of their garbage or sewage? Common, practical things. Now, maybe they're on such a higher level of existence that eating and pooping are no longer necessary. Or maybe they get their milk and eggs by popping into a nearby dimension rather than going to the supermarket. But that's just stacking hypotheses when we have a tall enough stack already.

I could maybe see them being able to keep themselves secret if they were part of a very small observational team, living in caves and deep in the ocean. Or if they themselves were in hiding from a larger galactic society. Criminals on the run. Hiding in the last place in the galaxy anybody would look for them.

I like that story better.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

One of my favorite alien / fairy behaviors is being an "Indian giver."

Ah yes mate well said, remember this one?

The tall being followed him outside. The witness then requested one of the giant’s gloves as proof of the experience, he then saw that the being had green claw like hands with blue metallic nails. The being then pricked the witness right arm apparently extracting blood in the process. As the witness rode back home carrying the glove, two flying objects caught up with him emitting a small slab and sphere that descended and brushed by the horse pulling off the glove like a magnet.

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Also enjoyed reading ye olde accounts of folks being 'fairy stroked' (paralysed) by small, strange beings holding 'wands' as that pretty much describes modern day encounters with UFO occupants paralyzing people with 'tubes'.

One of the little tramplers looked up and produced a small tube to point at Masse. With barely a hesitation, the intruder aimed his device and the farmer was suddenly unable to move his arms, legs or mouth – frozen.

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Quite a number of modern day accounts describing this so perhaps worthwhile compiling a thread.

originally posted by: karl 12

Well said mate and I'd speculate we're not even aware of a fraction of what's going on underground with regard to global DUMBs and historical undisclosed expenditure.

It's estimated that even back in 2009 the black budget for the US DOD was around $50 billion and if Bill Sweetman's articles in Jane’s International Defence Review are to be believed then the security fraction of the total budget for these 'deep black' SAPs can approach 50%.

In case you've not seen it there's a really relevant presentation below by Richard Sauder and highly recommend his book 'Hidden Empire'.

Very relevant video about Deep Underground Military Bases (buried up to one mile down) and related government documents.

a reply to: karl 12

Highly intriguing hypothesis. Perhaps our genetic cousins. Just an add-on to the Op...

Cryptoterrestrials or Extraterrestrials? The Reasons Why it Can’t be Both by Nick Redfern June 22, 2021.

As you’ll have realized by now, this whole “cryptoterrestrial versus extraterrestrial” issue is incredibly complicated. And, unfortunately, I don’t see that same complication going away at any time soon. Something is using us, but I’m just not sure what it is: aliens infiltrating us, or, as Mac Tonnies suggested, an impoverished race of not-quite-human-beings who, against the odds, have managed to live alongside us, in deep stealth, for millennia.

Dunno if you frequent Reddit but they have a cryptoterrestrial forum.

Operation Trojan Horse: The Classic Breakthrough Study of UFOs - Paperback, May 15, 2013
by John a. Keel.

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

Hey I missed this post mate and some good linkage found there - also found myself nodding my head at these three points.

1:The creatures we think of as "aliens" are actually a terrestrial species that evolved alongside us.


2:These creatures have some sort of incredible skill, technology, or supernatural abilities which have allowed them to remain hidden on the fringes of our society.


3:These creatures are now seen as aliens, but have been seen in the past as fairies, elves, and all sorts of other mythological human-like creatures. They either intentionally choose to cultivate these ideas as a smokescreen, or we naturally develop these stories as a sort of defense mechanism against fully comprehending our situation, which would be bad for some reason Tonnies doesn't really explain.

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow

Operation Trojan Horse: The Classic Breakthrough Study of UFOs - Paperback, May 15, 2013
by John a. Keel.

Yes would say that one's a must read and it's partly available here on Scribdoc - it's a bit freaky but also thought Keel's 'The Eighth Tower' was a winner.

originally posted by: karl 12

The Cryptoterrestrials - Mac Tonnies.

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a reply to: karl 12

Karl,

Check, both are good reads. I enjoyed Vallée's "Passport to Magonia" as well.

The various phenomena are more related than we're prompted to believe, IMO.

If we could get the 'straight answer' as to what is going on, would we really want to know? Yeah, no, not sure about that. Could be a crushing realization for our species.

Cheers

a reply to: karl 12

Plasma: The Invisible Universe Part Two - Andrew Collins joins Jay Weidner to discuss his book Light Quest. They discuss the idea of a secret invisible universe that exists all around us. How there are 'window' areas where the dimensions seem to converge. Also covered is how our cultural perceptions help color the plasma, paranormal experiences.

Can't say I agree with everything he says, but like how explains some of it and have not dismissed it. I did have an experience with this mist/fog/plasma phenomena years ago while hiking solo and casually dismissed it as atmospheric strangeness. Now I'm not so sure.

I've started to believe there are multiple 'alien' civilizations among us, some look just like us and been here for thousands of years and others evolved way beyond human-like form and exist in astral consciousness. The "Elohim" - the powerful one's, capable of inter-dimensional coexistence.

I think the Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis is a fascinating and increasingly plausible alternative to the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis that also may very well be connected with David Pallides' Missing-411 phenomena; which some of his detailed stories make my hair stand-up. Whatever the true factual reality may be it would probably suicide most of humanity. Helluva psyop!

And whatever our globalist parasite rulers are up to sure seems like they're trying to re-engineer humanity & the planet.

Mac Tonnies talks about The Cryptoterrestrial

Mark Frost has an incredible grasp on esoterica and the UFO file which is very evident in the Twin Peaks series. From audiobook version of Mark Frost's book "The Secret History of Twin Peaks", voiced by Robert Knepper with added music and scenes.

The Cryptoterrestrials (PDF)

Passport To Magonia On UFOs, Folklore, And Parallel Worlds by Jacques Vallée. (PDF)

THE ANDREASSON AFFAIRE By Raymond Fowler


The Miracle Club: How Thoughts Become Reality by Mitch Horowitz, October 16, 2018. Link to a PDF copy

“At a time when quantum physicists dare to say things like, ‘Our intentions in the future create the past causes of the present,’ a reappraisal of spiritual beliefs (and philosophical theories in general) is clearly in order. It is such a critical assessment that Mitch Horowitz proposes in this book: the values and visions that inspired America assumed that ‘greatness’ should be measured not only in terms of material riches but of human progress. The lesson is important and timely.”
― Jacques Vallée, author of THE EDGE OF REALITY.

Coming soon to a Metaverse within you...
Augmented Reality and the Edge

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

If we could get the 'straight answer' as to what is going on, would we really want to know? Yeah, no, not sure about that. Could be a crushing realization for our species.

Hi mate this might sound naive but would say, in the long run, it's always better to know.

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow

The Cryptoterrestrials (PDF)

A PDF copy - great find!

a reply to: karl 12

In terms of the ideal, I agree with you. I just don't want to end up part of a tech'd-up cargo cult.

Cheers