New Cattle Mutilation Case from Oregon

originally posted by: iknowyou
Lots of theories built on very fragile foundations.

Farmers could easily lie about the time of cattle death to avoid being accused of neglecting their livestock. No one would ever admit that the cow could be dead for a month because that's how long it was left unattended. No one would ever admit that his cattle was unhealthy or abused. Discrediting the time of death and other circumstances makes a lot of simpler explanations plausible.

Why would the farmers bother contacting the authorities at all if they were ashamed or embarrassed about poor care that lead to the demise of their livestock. You know many farmers? I have; I've worked on dairy farms in my childhood. The ones I've known are pretty independent and self-reliant individuals in the mold described by Henry David Thoreau. They're not looking for help trying to fend off predators or how to properly care for their livestock. The only reason fathomable for them to reach out to authorities is exhausting every possible avenue of figuring out what caused cattle death, i.e. not asking for assistance until they've exhausted every option in their control.

Can't imagine why anyone who'd mistreated their livestock would then contact authorities and then fabricate a "cover story" either. It'd seem to be much easier to let the problem of their poor cattle management decompose and vanish without a trace, however, if you read up on these cases, many times the process of decomposition and scavenging //is extremely delayed or doesn't happen normally// which in and of itself is a huge red flag.

originally posted by: iknowyou
The only photos that are available on the Internet don't overlap with testimonies. Each carrion looks like it's been dead for much longer. It is dried up, the maggots already left the body and the cuts look like skin splitting during decomposition. It's always the exposed side being eaten out, not the one the cow was found laying on. Only soft organs, genitals and places where the skin is the thinnest are eaten out, which is exactly what happens when small scavengers, blowflies and parasites start to feed on the body.

You're leaving out one of the most critical parts of the anatomy that predators, and especially scavengers of carrion go for: the eyes. In this new wave of mutilations in Oregon, it's being reported that the eyes are left untouched. Even IF small nuisance pests, parasites could bring down a large ungulate, .... crows/vultures/birds would be all over the carcass in a matter of hours, and the eyes would be among the first bits of flesh removed.

originally posted by: iknowyou
Every theory that is out of the ordinary was created either by the farmer himself, or the local sheriff/officer working on the case. Any person in the right area of expertise that ever took part in any of the investigations claimed natural causes for most of the cases, while other ones could be easily explained by cult rituals, or just human action in general.

Again, I think you're miss-characterizing, deliberately or due to inexperience, your garden variety farmer or practitioner of ranching. Most cattle owners I've ever met would be reticent to even /believe/ the more esoteric explanations of cattle mutilations, let alone devise them.

If you scroll up and check out the video posted by karl 12, you will see that your claim about the unanimity of claims of natural death by all qualified examiners of these carcasses is incorrect. Sure, some investigators probably believe in a mundane explanation for these cases, but others are genuinely puzzled. In the recent wave of mutilations in Oregon, veterinarians very experienced in necropsies and conventional cattle predation are not rushing to ascribe these deaths to natural causes.

originally posted by: iknowyou
Imagine losing 5,000 cattle in one go, $1,500 each and not buying surveillance equipment after that. Maybe he did, but nothing happened later because the disease already killed entire heard and died out. Or he didn't, because he already knew.

If you do your research, some farmers have done this after the fact, while others (like the rancher from Skinwalker) have invested in more in-person means of counteracting this violence.

The issue is, these events often DO NOT repeat in the same cattle ranches, and if they do (e.g. Skinwalker) even experienced and well-equipped efforts to capture the perpetrators in the act come up empty.

originally posted by: iknowyou

The hypothesis that natural phenomena account for most mutilation characteristics has been validated by a number of experiments, including one cited by long-time scientific skeptic Robert T. Carroll, conducted by Washington County (Arkansas) Sheriff's Department. In the experiment, the body of a recently deceased cow was left in a field and observed for 48 hours. During the 48 hours, postmortem bloating was reported to have caused incision-like tears in the cow's skin that matched the "surgical" cuts reported on mutilated cows, while the action of blowflies and maggots reportedly matched the soft tissue damage observed on mutilated cows.[citation needed] Experiments have also been conducted to compare the different reactions of surgically cut hide/flesh and predated hide/flesh to natural exposure.[28] They demonstrated pronounced differences between surgical cuts and non surgical cuts over time.

Technicalities aside, some of the more extraordinary explanations simply lack logic.

What lacks logic is refusing to consider or ruling out hypotheses without being engrossed in the subject, and especially not doing field work or rolling up one's sleeves and getting into the subject matter in depth, for instance long-distance "skeptics" who snipe at the work of others from afar.

originally posted by: iknowyou
Any type of secret government agency can just buy it's own cattle and do whatever it wants with it. If aliens can beam a freaking cow up to the sky, they might as well beam it into space to get rid of the evidence. If they wanted us to know, they would leave more obvious signs, than the ones that could be mistaken for natural. If they don't care, they would just do it next to the guy during the day. Only a bunch of crazy hillbillies or deranged cult people would get the idea to go into someones farm at night to steal a cows teat.

Think about the lack of blood on the crime scene, the lack of tracks around the carcasses, the lack of encounters with "crazy hillbillies" or "deranged cult people" by the ranchers, who by the way many are expert outdoorsmen that it'd be quite a feat for someone to get into their remote property and evade with no signs of activity, think about the reticence of normal scavengers to touch the carcass, on and on.

There are much more variety and complexity of puzzle pieces to this phenomenon than you are seeing or willingly admitting.

originally posted by: iknowyou
Lots of theories built on very fragile foundations.

As is an ill-informed post based on a wikipedia quote.

A reference for the Washington County experiment would be of interest though ?

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

There are much more variety and complexity of puzzle pieces to this phenomenon..

That's so true mate and would really like to find an explanation that covers all aspects but (as yet) there isn't one.

When it comes to the U.K. thought the documentary 'Silent Killers' was well worth a watch - this interview with Mike Freebury and David Cayton also covers some extremely freaky incidents.

Part 2 / 3

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

There are much more variety and complexity of puzzle pieces to this phenomenon..

That's so true mate and would really like to find an explanation that covers all aspects but (as yet) there isn't one.

When it comes to the U.K. thought the documentary 'Silent Killers' was well worth a watch - this interview with Mike Freebury and David Cayton also covers some extremely freaky incidents.

Part 2 / 3

Thanks karl, as always, for great inspirational and thought provoking links!

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

No worries mate and you really do have to hand it to the researchers out in the field trying to get to the bottom of this subject.

Really do recommend that 'Silent Killers' doc linked above as it looks like there's been quite a bit of intimidation and skullduggery from U.K. Government agencies (like DEFRA).

When it comes to animal injury like 'steamed clean' jaw strips, cleanly excised tongues, ventral neck puncture wounds and small teardrop shaped abdominal holes 'through which inner organs are removed' then really don't know who (or what) is responsible but Richard D Hall does make.some interesting comments below about 'mutes' and government cover up (graphic images).


Vid


Also a pretty fascinating full interview with David Cayton here concerning British mute research (graphic images).


Vid


Stil trying to find out more but apparently there was a bizarre trail of 'suction cup' like impressions found leading away from mutilated carcass in New Mexico in June, 1976.

From 7:40

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Trueman

That quote is not answering the question or solving the mystery. Talk straight brother, nobody will knock your door or park a minivan outside waiting for you.

As I said earlier not trying to solve the mystery just giving my opinion , there are many mutilation threads where I've been shot down for trying to solve the mystery by people who want to believe it's ET taking cattle and leaving evidence of their handiwork for us to find , Gabe Valdez was a former police officer who while serving and after he retired investigated mutilation scenes and found evidence for the human military explanation , I believe his explanation over the ET hypothesis because he found evidence to support his belief and frankly it makes more sense.

Anyone interested in the subject have a name to investigate , those who just want to believe will continue to believe regardless.

It's a good hypothesis, and the only drawback for me is that the mutes started a long time ago and there was no technology then to make LASER cuts like what was found. There still isn't small portable LASERS with enough wattage to cut tissue down to the bone like what is still being found.

Another hypothesis is that a non human agency is working with rogue military agencies to do this business.

Aliens and military together would fill in the gaps. Military all by themselves. Not a chance.

originally posted by: TheKestrel04

Dental Laser , similar effect to body part removals?

It's LMH but did think she raised some fair points here about heat induced injury and non carbonised bovine haemoglobin.

Also some rather freaky reports found in Bob Pratt's research by clicking on the subheading 'Big Mama - Animal Mutilators?'


The Bob Pratt Files

originally posted by: karl 12


The Bob Pratt Files

First time I have seen reports of interrupted mutilations, the wax paper incident and organs being left by the body but subsequently removed are very interesting, as is the fact no-one was seen.

Must read more about Gabe Valdez also, especially as to what changed his views over time from something unnatural being responsible to an agency backed programme. My instinct is he was led to believe that (as with many subjects as opposed to igniting indignation it seems to satisfy people and hence deflects responsibility from TPTB) but yet to identify any markers.

originally posted by: Ohanka
These things seem most common on the West Coast USA, i always figured there was a blacksite that was testing something on these animals.

Ever drive past a weird looking complex (no matter the country) in the middle of nowhere which is strangely highly secured with no signs? Maybe the electric fences and barbed wire are there to keep something in just as much to keep tresspassers out.

Ooo I’ll bite. Like what?

a reply to: chunder

further commenary:

1. Logical assumption of tissue excise and research characterized by species impacted by their environment or abeyond native range revolves around following brief : journals.plos.org.../journal.pbio.1001850
2. Classifying impact is usually the objective of such research:

"Our classification system is based on the Generic Impact Scoring System (GISS) to compare the impacts of alien animal species among members of large taxonomic groups, developed by Nentwig and colleagues [24] and subsequently extended by Kumschick and colleagues [25], modified to align it to the new impact scheme of the GISD implemented by the IUCN Species Survival Commission (SSC) Invasive Species Specialist Group (Figure 1).

The extended GISS [25] identified a set of six impact classes (herbivory; competition; predation; disease transmission; hybridisation; impact on ecosystem, other than those mentioned before, i.e., chemical, physical, or structural changes), which we here term impact mechanisms (Box 1). Each of these mechanisms was associated with one of a sequential series of six impact scenarios (ranked 0–5) describing increasing levels of impact by aliens by that mechanism. These semi-quantitative scenarios were designed such that each step change in category reflects an increase in the order of magnitude of the particular impact so that a new level of organisation is involved. Thus: (0) no discernible impact; (1) discernible impacts, but no effects on individual fitness; (2) effects on fitness, but not on populations; (3) changes to populations, but not to community composition; (4) community changes, which are reversible; and (5) irreversible community changes and extinctions. Species impacts are assessed and assigned to a scenario for each impact mechanism. The scenario ranks assigned for each impact mechanism can be summed to produce an overall impact score. Species can then be compared with respect to these scores, for example to identify traits associated with higher levels of impact [24],[26]."For example, alien species (or the studied range bound population sample)have been shown to cause significant changes in native species extinction probabilities, genetic composition of native populations, behaviour patterns, species richness and abundance, phylogenetic and taxonomic diversity, trophic networks, ecosystem productivity, nutrient and contaminant cycling, hydrology, habitat structure, and various components of disturbance regimes [1]–[8]. Such changes are often indirect, and may involve subtle or poorly studied interactions that could yield substantial effects over time [9]. For these reasons, most scientists and conservation organisations consider alien species to be undesirable additions to ecosystems, and frequently devote considerable resources towards preventing or mitigating their impacts."

3. This is brought up because this research was conducted at Lawrence Livermore to observe the effects of ionizing radiation, which was conducted in areas where SOME of the mutilations have occured. Other research has been done to observe genetic drift and a variety of other distribution of the studied impact mechanism.

4. The observed mutilations, which have happened worldwide, ARE NOT consistent with the methods and means of studying environmental impacts.

5. Furthermore, the manner of the cored and excised tissue samples are not consistent with the advanced technology used by human medical and research pathology UNLESS your hypothesis is correct, and there is joint program with mission intent. I find this low probability and the observed phenomena has been recorded for multiple decades over a worldwide area.

The following is opinion and based on my personal experience, which is for the background of the reader and will not be elaborated upon. It is my belief the mutilations are ET in origin. There have been several documented cases of human mutilations. Mutilation of live mammals is hegemony upon a population.

Twenty five years ago I handled and observed extraterrestrial tissue samples and A&P. I have run the molecular assays and collected plates for taxonomy. The authoritative group and SAP I am not prepared to state on the internet. My observations are conclusive that there is an active and persistent ET presence on Earth. Baring that these mutilations are not consistent with any human objective or pathological , diagnostic, or forensic purpose up to that time and considering the time period in which the mutilations occured, only can leave an occams' razor answer to a perplexing question. I have read Valdez and listen to the other debunkers and solidified skeptics on ATS. Some of the observations in UFOlogy are fake, of course. Unfortunately, this mutilation phenomena is not.



4. I know research done on these