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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: yuppa
right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.
the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.
the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.
originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: yuppa
right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.
the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.
the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.
why are they steeling land at the point of a gun, and some of the peoples families have lived there when Christ walked the ground.
why does Israel kill scientists?
Israel was MADE by the UK government, there was never a state called Israel before the end of WWII so why do they get to kick out the Palestinians who have the real generation claim to that land.
why did Israel say 'damn the torpedo's and bomb what at the time they thought was a RUNNING nuclear station? thankfully it wasn't.
seems like a government that if we weren't already allies with we would condemn for their government hit squads and most importantly their unrestricted nuclear program.
the fact of the matter is the STATE of Israel was cut out of the ME where people already lived for 1000's of years, so technically the Jews were the guests and they stabbed their neighbors in the back. Jews and Arabs haven't always hated each other.
The 'settlements' are right on the line so to speak of being the extermination of a culture, why does that sound so familiar....
I have been to Israel 3 times and 90% of the people are super cool but there is an orthodox population that is almost rabid
there is no solution to it now, it has gotten to the point where instead of neighbors and friends Israel and Palestine only see snakes
its the extremest Israels that set those camps up and than demand military protection when they steal a home
i bet you if the US and Israelis just paid the 'undesirables' to leave they would.
right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.
the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.
the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.
20. Remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.
21. "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."
22. They said: "O Moses! In this land are a people of exceeding strength: Never shall we enter it until they leave it: if (once) they leave, then shall we enter."
23. (But) among (their) Allah.fearing men were two on whom Allah had bestowed His grace: They said: "Assault them at the (proper) Gate: when once ye are in, victory will be yours; But on Allah put your trust if ye have faith."
24. They said: "O Moses! while they remain there, never shall we be able to enter, to the end of time. Go thou, and thy Lord, and fight ye two, while we sit here (and watch)."
25. He said: "O my Lord! I have power only over myself and my brother: so separate us from this rebellious people!"
26. Allah said: "Therefore will the land be out of their reach for forty years: In distraction will they wander through the land: But sorrow thou not over these rebellious people.
Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread
101. To Moses We did give Nine Clear Sings: As the Children of Israel: when he came to them, Pharaoh said to him: "O Moses! I consider thee, indeed, to have been worked upon by sorcery!
102. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"
103. So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him.
104. And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd
Surah17 Isra, The Night Journey, Childern Of Israel
Luke 21:27-28
Then everyone will see the Son of Man coming on a cloud with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!"
originally posted by: Butterfinger
a reply to: yuppa
Luke was written in roughly 85 C.E, the desolation was about 70 CE
This is a future event that is tied to the return of Jesus, hence this at the end of the context:
Luke 21:27-28
Then everyone will see the Son of Man coming on a cloud with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!"
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: shooterbrody
Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.
Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.
They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.
This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: shooterbrody
Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.
Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.
They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.
This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.
originally posted by: penroc3
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: shooterbrody
Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.
Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.
They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.
This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.
so there was just empty space where Israel is now? no people just sand and date trees in late 1945?