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Alarms sound in southern Israel, explosions heard throughout the country

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posted on May, 13 2021 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Tempter


Luke 21:20 "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.


yeah,it was called the roman empire who desolated it.



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 04:08 AM
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a reply to: yuppa

right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.

the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.

the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.
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posted on May, 13 2021 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: yuppa

right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.

the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.

the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.


Uh yeah it did. it had a king,and was written about in the anchient world. the romans even said they took over Israel and judea.

en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 21000000pppm by yuppa because: added link to support claim



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: yuppa

right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.

the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.

the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.

Meh
Too bad they suck at war.
Conquered people whining decades later is actually funny.
Whats next?
Europe back to france because napoleon held it once?
Asia back to greece because of alexander?

How far back do we go?


Ludicrous



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: penroc3

I always assumed they hid it for strategic reasons, or because they were worried the US would be in violation of the NPT terms (namely by proliferating nuclear weapons)

I just think that after 2000 years of persecution, mass murder and carnage that the Jewish people are entitled to a Jewish State. They are entitled to preserve their cultural, ethnic, national and religious identities.

Not everyone wants to be a melting pot. Quite the contrary!

Personally, I enjoy having a diverse populace. But there are limits. I don't want to see far-anything extremists, killers/communists or that sort of thing. But racially, religiously, ethnically? I couldn't care less

But if the folks in Israel want a Jewish state they should have the right to that as well




why are they steeling land at the point of a gun, and some of the peoples families have lived there when Christ walked the ground.


I couldn't say, perhaps that is legal in Israel (and other places, like South Africa). But I cannot speak to the laws in Israel unfortunately

It seems Israel makes no bones about its intention of being a Jewish State. So perhaps this is their way of ensuring the Jewish majority or some along that line

FWIW, I do not believe it is right to steal land from anybody.



why does Israel kill scientists?


I am unaware of any specific instance here, but perhaps they suspect them of working for "the enemy" or something of those lines? Not saying that should warrant a death sentence mind you, just playing devil's advocate a little here




Israel was MADE by the UK government, there was never a state called Israel before the end of WWII so why do they get to kick out the Palestinians who have the real generation claim to that land.


You are right, but what about King Soloman and such? It seems after suffering atrocities at the hands of Nazis, Italy and Japan, the Jewish people came up with a policy that is best summed up this way... "Never again" and this does lead into the nuclear program and the specific "Jericho option" as well




why did Israel say 'damn the torpedo's and bomb what at the time they thought was a RUNNING nuclear station? thankfully it wasn't.


Yes that does sound a bit dangerous to me as well

I suppose the risk of the other countries having nuclear weapons/technology was considered higher than the risk of a major nuclear contamination event




seems like a government that if we weren't already allies with we would condemn for their government hit squads and most importantly their unrestricted nuclear program.


I think most countries have a similar "hit squad" whether officially or not, heck ours used the Mafia for assassination's in the past and God knows who else

Ultimately, it is the Palestinians who have rejected the Two State solution the Trump admin went after, no doubt because of bad actors like Iran, Russia, and even China working against US (and by proxy, Israel) interests

Not saying they are 100% to blame either. But Israel certainly has the right to exist and to defend itself, just as every individual and country does. And after 2000 years of persecution and torment, I do believe the Jewish people deserve a home

But in the end, doesn't it always come down to Might = Right? Lets be frank, if Israel were truly engaged in the "genocide" they are often accused of, I suspect the Pals wouldn't be around to tell the story



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

do you know the Germans killed almost twice as many Russians?

the fact of the matter is the STATE of Israel was cut out of the ME where people already lived for 1000's of years, so technically the Jews were the guests and they stabbed their neighbors in the back. Jews and Arabs haven't always hated each other.

and for the person who asked how far back should we go, how about the last time a Palestinian or Israeli was killed for some agenda.

The 'settlements' are right on the line so to speak of being the extermination of a culture, why does that sound so familiar....

I have been to Israel 3 times and 90% of the people are super cool but there is an orthodox population that is almost rabid

there is no solution to it now, it has gotten to the point where instead of neighbors and friends Israel and Palestine only see snakes



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: penroc3

Nazi's were some evil S.O.B.s to be sure, good thing they could not bare the cold or the resilience of the Russian people

Our WWII allies, it is why I to this day do not take issue with Russia. I wish our stance toward them was cordial instead of militaristic and hostile



the fact of the matter is the STATE of Israel was cut out of the ME where people already lived for 1000's of years, so technically the Jews were the guests and they stabbed their neighbors in the back. Jews and Arabs haven't always hated each other.


I suppose when you look at it this way we are all guests somewhere, won't be here forever that is for certain. At some point you have to recognize a claim to a specific place, otherwise we would be guests on our own properties

I don't agree with the resettlements, but Israel is a sovereign nation and can do what it wants within the framework of its courts/legal systems just as any other sovereign nation can. Israel is a good friend to the US/UK/NATO alliance, and we do unfortunately have to weigh getting involved in these kinds of things...think about how Iran for instance is aligned with NOKO, China and others who seek to do us (and Israel) harm. Even the Russians, as unfortunate as it is considering our WW2 alliance/and how similar we are.. What message does that send to them? It would embolden Israel's enemies to conduct even more attacks

I don't claim to understand the politics of the Israeli/Arab conflicts. Palestine can be created as a state, Israel can exist as a state, and they should then either shake hands or ignore each other




The 'settlements' are right on the line so to speak of being the extermination of a culture, why does that sound so familiar....


It would certainly be alarming if it were happening here in the US or the UK, or Canada..because we culturally and legally see that as unacceptable. But it seems Israeli law may not see it the same way, but on this I admit I truly do not know. If that is the case, I don't think we have the right to impose our own system of values




I have been to Israel 3 times and 90% of the people are super cool but there is an orthodox population that is almost rabid


Well, for what that is worth, it is true of a lot of the more radical individuals of any religions or even political movements

Never have had the privilege of visiting that part of the World myself. But I will take your word for it as that seems true of many many places and organizations!!



there is no solution to it now, it has gotten to the point where instead of neighbors and friends Israel and Palestine only see snakes


It is a sad outcome, and a hot civil war even though nobody wants to call it that yet. I don't blame them. Once that cat is out of the bag.

I do not understand how the 2 state solution was not accepted

Over the shared religious locations? Here's a real thought...if BOTH religions have sites of importance in these locations, well maybe that is suggesting there is more in common then they think. Hmmm
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posted on May, 13 2021 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

the settlements are not publicly condoned by the government and are in fact illegal according to Israeli law


when i moved in to my house i didst do it at gun point and than kill the previous owners or put them in a ghetto..again why does that sound so familiar

its the extremest Israels that set those camps up and than demand military protection when they steal a home(not buy, like we do).


i bet you if the US and Israelis just paid the 'undesirables' to leave they would.



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: penroc3

With that information, I will concede that the resettlements are wrong. Since it is against Israeli law, why is this even a contentious issue then? I assume Israel has law enforcement outside of the IDF/military/intelligence type organizations

Personally, I find the idea of removing folks from their homes under threat of violence unconscionable. You had better have a good reason if you are going to do something like that, serving a warrant, lawful seizure following due process in a fair & impartial legal system, that sort of thing.




its the extremest Israels that set those camps up and than demand military protection when they steal a home


This may be another cultural difference. I know in our countries (I assume you are US/UK/that general vicinity) if the military attempted to do any such thing, law enforcement officers would (and should) intervene. Arresting those breaking XYZ state's laws. If it is a group of extremists, then it seems the legal system is failing the rest by allowing them to break the law while 99% have to follow it




i bet you if the US and Israelis just paid the 'undesirables' to leave they would.


Its a shame it even has to be that way. But absolutely, if you are going to force somebody to leave then at a bare minimum they need to be duly compensated, in a proper and objectively fair manner, for their property including the cost of relocating elsewhere. Again here in the US I would see forcing someone to leave for religious/ethnic reasons totally unacceptable, and intolerable to most. But I don't want to just assume that is how their culture is too, although from what I have seen and what you witnessed/relayed to me, it is quite similar

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posted on May, 13 2021 @ 06:50 PM
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right but the state of Israel never existed, it was a bunch of nomadic tribes and slaves and that does not make it a state.

the way i see it Israel bases it's claim from a book that has a dubious record of accurate reporting.

the fact is the Palestinians have been there for 1000's of years and should have equal right to be there as anyone else.


you correct up till forty years after the Hebrews/Jews left eygpt. then when they entered the land of milk and honey at Gods command they became a nation.

the hebrews just like most of the people that lived in Lavent (ancient syria) where nomadic, in fact the first hebrew came from iraq, or better known as Ur of Childens. from Abraham on there has been a Hebrew/Jewish presence in Israel.

also the arabs claim to be decedents of Ishmael the son of Abraham.

what i find funny is, the holy book the Quran/Koran that most palestinians claim to follow says that allah gave the land to the Jews in two of their books at least.




20. Remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.

21. "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."

22. They said: "O Moses! In this land are a people of exceeding strength: Never shall we enter it until they leave it: if (once) they leave, then shall we enter."

23. (But) among (their) Allah.fearing men were two on whom Allah had bestowed His grace: They said: "Assault them at the (proper) Gate: when once ye are in, victory will be yours; But on Allah put your trust if ye have faith."

24. They said: "O Moses! while they remain there, never shall we be able to enter, to the end of time. Go thou, and thy Lord, and fight ye two, while we sit here (and watch)."

25. He said: "O my Lord! I have power only over myself and my brother: so separate us from this rebellious people!"

26. Allah said: "Therefore will the land be out of their reach for forty years: In distraction will they wander through the land: But sorrow thou not over these rebellious people.
Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread


and




101. To Moses We did give Nine Clear Sings: As the Children of Israel: when he came to them, Pharaoh said to him: "O Moses! I consider thee, indeed, to have been worked upon by sorcery!

102. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"

103. So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him.

104. And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd
Surah17 Isra, The Night Journey, Childern Of Israel


so if the palestinians are devote 5 times a day praying muslims, why do they not follow the words of their book and let Israel have the land that their God says he gave them?



posted on May, 13 2021 @ 07:02 PM
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i think the government is riding he razor edge of sanity

i think some of the more hardcore orthodox Jews want the nukes to fly so their holy end times can come true.

last time i was in Israel and with people who lived there i was almost attacked on the street by a crazy orthodox guy


its a little known CT that the Saudi's paid the Israelis for a few nukes, crazy as that sounds it might be true.



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 07:26 AM
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Hmmm.....
Why are they showing missile defense deploying in Israel?
Looks like the military action will intensify.

Don't want any SH?
Don't start the IT!



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.

Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.

They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.

This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Luke was written in roughly 85 C.E, the desolation was about 70 CE

This is a future event that is tied to the return of Jesus, hence this at the end of the context:




Luke 21:27-28
Then everyone will see the Son of Man coming on a cloud with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!"



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Butterfinger
a reply to: yuppa

Luke was written in roughly 85 C.E, the desolation was about 70 CE

This is a future event that is tied to the return of Jesus, hence this at the end of the context:




Luke 21:27-28
Then everyone will see the Son of Man coming on a cloud with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!"



I know. You could say the one luke writes of as a second desolation.



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: shooterbrody

Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.

Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.

They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.

This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.




so there was just empty space where Israel is now? no people just sand and date trees in late 1945?
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posted on May, 14 2021 @ 04:11 PM
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now they are targeting Demona


Israels response




ground invasion on the horizon, most American airlines are not flying to Tel Aviv as of today due to the risk of shoot downs of civilian aircraft

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posted on May, 14 2021 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: shooterbrody

Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.

Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.

They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.

This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.

The missile defense system only activates when ATTACKED.
Were anyone to launch an attack on us here in the usa we would respond.
Israel should root out those who attacked so this does not happen again.



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: penroc3

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: shooterbrody

Its funny. The fakeastinians who yasser arafatt and the KGB and PLO gathered from surrounding countries to magically be called palestinians were exiles from the surrounding countries who NONE of them will let in to this day.

Their families tried to overthrow their own countries. This is karma for what their families did in their eyes.

They couldnt beat Israel in a war,and now try to win by twisting law and peoples feelings.

This may sound cruel,but they should be wiped out as terrorist,and indoctrinated terrorist in training.




so there was just empty space where Israel is now? no people just sand and date trees in late 1945?

Nah
You should go back at least to the romans.
It should be flying an Italian flag by your logic?
What allows you to stop at 1945?



posted on May, 14 2021 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

that's when the winners cut the state of Israel into the globe with a pen.



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