Adversary Drones (not UFOs) Are Spying On The U.S. Military

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: charlyv

Not only the radar and laser sensors, but deciphering the telemetry they would be using to control them.

If they are autonomous no telemetry is required.

"Fly over there and listen for a while. Do some tricks to get them to light up. Record it and bring it back."

Upon deciding that this was not like the other cases were fighters were dispatched, and that what was going on did not display those weird physics, they they could certainly bring a few of those down to check on them, I would think.

EW can create the illusion of weird physics.

Yeah because no one in the US Navy would ever think of something like that and even plan and train for it.

No, wait! Actually they do. Thousands of people have made things like that their career.

No doubt Russia has very advanced EW capabilities and China is coming up in a big way. China may come to really challenge the US for military dominance in the next few decades, but they aren't there yet and Russia is actually slipping further away. They just don't have the resources, companies, industrial base and market for their products to be competitive in the long run.

a reply to: Sublant

I'm not sold on a foreign adversary being the source, actually.

It could be our own forces at work, couldn't it? Unannounced drills. Checking out response to spoofing and such like. Air Force vs. Navy.

originally posted by: crayzeed
When are people gonna get it through their thick heads, apart from VTOL and helicopters. no country in the world has any aerial platform that can stay still, make 90 degree turns or accelerate from zero to thousands of MPH in seconds.
All aircraft, besides those mentioned, depend on thrust technology to keep them airborne otherwise they would fall out of the sky.
And please DON'T come up with " but it's our own secret technology" BS. These vehicles have been seen in the skies for hundreds of years so that don't wash. And as for spying on any fleet by the enemy, one simple question:- do you really think that the enemy hasn't got multiple spy satellites like the US. Or do you really think that they would use model planes for the task, because that is what the real term is for a drone.

What sort of insider info on the subject leads you to this understanding?

"These vehicles have been seen in the skies for hundreds of years". The day you find something as tangible as that, then I will be grateful. It's more accurate to say, "lights have been seen in the skies for hundreds of years".

originally posted by: Sublant
Warzone claim both, high and low end, and quite frankly it is an insult to US military to think Russia and China are spying on frontline and even developmental assets with balloons and RC toys. On or near US soil even.

Why wouldn't they, if it works and they can get away with it? Is being open to such possibilities, particularly in light of significant amounts of evidence suggesting as much, really an insult?

I think focusing on facts is more important than worrying about hurting the U.S. military's feelings.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Sublant

I'm not sold on a foreign adversary being the source, actually.

It could be our own forces at work, couldn't it? Unannounced drills. Checking out response to spoofing and such like. Air Force vs. Navy.

That's certainly a possibility, and there's no doubt that such drills are routine elements of training. It's also quite possible (and likely, in my opinion) that most if not of all these public releases of sensor anomalies, bokehs and Batman balloons are calculated to mislead adversaries into the thinking the U.S. is more clueless than it actually is.

However, that doesn't explain everything, and when anyone -- it doesn't have to be Russia or China -- can penetrate secure airspace with commercial drones, as just one example, that's an extremely serious problem.

A single hobbyist quadcopter drone positioned in the right place can take down a jet aircraft, a swarm of them can shut down an airfield and prevent a scramble, and all the while they can be monitoring the activities and responses of that airfield. That's just one scenario in an extremely vast array of possibilities, and while countermeasures are slowly being developed and introduced, it seems pretty clear that they are late in coming, still vulnerable to potential enemy tactics and massive, gaping holes in security remain over large areas of sensitive airspace.

That also doesn't justify continued evasion of congressional oversight over UAP and military preparedness. While maintaining secrecy is important, if Pentagon stonewalling of the Senate Intelligence Committee on the subject isn't itself some sort of ruse, then whoever may be defying their oversight is in violation of their oaths to support and defend the U.S. Constitution and late for courts-martial.

I'm hopeful we aren't at a point where the military is openly defying civilian authority, but if that isn't the case, then we shouldn't be seeing any public drama about it.

The fact that this is an issue is itself an issue.

What a trash article. Obviously someone who didn't do their due diligence... Then right in the middle of the article he says they really don't know what they are anyways..... Why is this news and made into a thread?

a reply to: Majic

However, that doesn't explain everything, and when anyone -- it doesn't have to be Russia or China -- can penetrate secure airspace with commercial drones, as just one example, that's an extremely serious problem.

I know of no attempts to counter the intrusions. Do you? And they certainly were not undetected.

are calculated to mislead adversaries into the thinking the U.S. is more clueless than it actually is.

There's another angle as far as that goes. You know those patents from that Pais fellow that showed up a couple of years ago? Any chance that's part of a disinfo campaign aimed at our adversaries? "Holy crap! They can do what?"

That also doesn't justify continued evasion of congressional oversight over UAP and military preparedness.

What "continued evasion?" Yeah, a few have been arm waving about it since it's been in the news but there is supposedly going to be a report to Congress. I don't expect that the public will hear much about what the military actually does know. But that doesn't mean its aliens. Let's go back to it being our adversaries checking us out. Maybe we've learned a lot about what they can do by observing their toys. Maybe we don't want them to know what we know about what they know. Or maybe the toys are ours. Same thing applies.

Future us trying to send messages.