ATS and anti vax calls to inaction

I know we all have the freedom of speech but as the old saying goes you cant yell fire in a movie theater as it might cause injury or damage to people and property.

when we have freedom of speech we are also responsible in how we yield that right.



I have a serious question for ATS staff, with all these posters telling other not to get vaccinated as well as the claims that they will harm people is irresponsible at best.

at what point if any would ATS be responsible for its users dispensing medical advice without being doctors? at least in the US that is seriously illegal free speech or not.

I would hate this place to have issues because people who are not doctors are dispensing medical advice that we all KNOW people will follow, at best the people not taking the shots are putting others at risk and worst of all them self's. What happens when someone takes advice of some poster here and dies? whos on the hook for that person passing away from medical advice provided by ATS(not removing posts is almost a tacit agreement with anti vax posters and their messages).


I live and work in NY in the medical arena and I have seen blatant mistruths and when others try to correct them and give them proof it just adds fuel to the covid 'fire'.

its a ticking clock until someone gets hurt or dies from bad/fraudulent medical advice, and its not the users job to correct these people, its ATS's staffs job to protect our community




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originally posted by: penroc3
I know we all have the freedom of speech but as the old saying goes you cant yell fire in a movie theater as it might case injury or damage to people and property.

when we have freedom of speech we are also responsible in how we yield that right.



I have a serious question for ATS staff, with all these posters telling other not to get vaccinated as well as the claims that they will harm people is irresponsible at best.

at what point if any would ATS be responsible for its users dispensing medical advice without being doctors? at least in the US that is seriously illegal free speech or not.

I would hate this place to have issues because people who are not doctors are dispensing medical advice that we all KNOW people will follow, at best the people not taking the shots are putting others at risk and worst of all them self's. What happens when someone takes advice of some poster here and dies? whos on the hook for that person passing away from medical advice provided by ATS(not removing posts is almost a tacit agreement with anti vax posters and their messages).


I live and work in NY in the medical arena and I have seen blatant mistruths and when others try to correct them and give them proof it just adds fuel to the covid 'fire'.

its a ticking clock until someone gets hurt or dies from bad/fraudulent medical advice, and its not the users job to correct these people, its ATS's staffs job to protect our community

It's not up to you to determine what ATS's staff's jobs are. Bad/fraudulent medical advice is everywhere. As long as Mike Adams is making bank from his BS, ATS will be fine. It has always been the job of ATS users to deny ignorance, not the staff. You have been here long enough to know that. It's not like COVID is the first crisis this site has seen. It is a conspiracy theory site, after all, not Twitter or Facebook.

a reply to: penroc3
Patently ridiculous. 99.98% of people don't get severe symptoms of burning in this particular fire.

a reply to: penroc3
What responsibility is there for INVITING IN 10s of thousands of ill and contagious people, with no masks ( fire extinguishers)...into that same crowded theater

LOL

a reply to: penroc3

You're on the wrong site. We do conspiracy stuff here and taking personal responsibility for your own choices and not expecting the establishment to keep you all cozy is actually a plus on this site.

a reply to: penroc3

I don't recall anyone on ATS telling another person not to take the vaccine.

I have read plenty of accounts where people are explaining how they are personally against the vaccine and that they themselves aren't taking the vaccine but I don't remember seeing someone tell another person not to.

Not saying it never happened but could you please provide examples, quotes with links?

a reply to: penroc3

Rut roh... calling on the big guns, eh???

There is absolutely no doubt at all whatsoever that some people will have adverse reactions to the vaccines. None. It's a given. Period.

And you know that.

But for whatever reason, you (and others) have decided that you have the power and authority to force dangerous substances into other people's bodies knowing full well that many will be harmed. You might be okay with that. Some of us are not.

If you want to make the case that the risks are worth the rewards, make that case. If you want to make the case that the benefit to society is greater than the harm to individuals, make that case. Make whatever case you want.

But doubling down on the authoritarianism and tyranny simply confirms that you don't give a rat's patootie about anyone else's best interests and you will sacrifice others for your (real or imagined) benefit.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

i bet you i can start a thread RIGHT now asking if i should take it or not and lets see what happens?

we both know it will be a mixed bag but there will be people saying not to take it

a reply to: Boadicea

you and you ilk have the right not to take it but leave others alone to talk to DOCTORS face to face.

I have seen kids recently with things they told us in school would be very rare to see in a lifetimes career because people aren't getting their vaccines.

illnesses we had pretty much stamped out are starting to make a come back.

Are you a doctor? or just preaching what someone else said about vaccines?(I know your not a doctor)

a reply to: penroc3

It's about time someone demanded more censorship here.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Alien Abduct

i bet you i can start a thread RIGHT now asking if i should take it or not and lets see what happens?

we both know it will be a mixed bag but there will be people saying not to take it

I've been all over the vaccines threads haven't seen anybody say don't take the vaccine most just say they aren't or are taking the vaccine and the reasons why. Don't make this place like r/wallstreetbets where we all have to put a disclaimer ie. I'm just a dumb ape this is in no way supports getting a vaccine or not getting a vaccine. With any and all medical advice please consult your physician as they know your individual situation and the side effects that may or may not affect you if you get the vaccine.

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I have never told others not to get vaccinated BUT I have serious concern's especially about GENE editing vaccines.

But?.

Let me ask you something.


Now do you remember a wonder drug called Thalidomide?.

Remember the medical law suits and class action that eventually paid SOME but not all of the victims some compensation.

Wonder why the Big Drug company's lobbied for immunity from prosecution before releasing there vaccines?, get it now.

Now let me point out a natural problem that occurs in the human population when blood group's with certain factors such as Rhesus positive and Rhesus Negative mix.

For example a mother with O- conceives a child a man whom is O+ and the child also then has the RH factor in it's blood so is Rhesus positive.

Fine you may think BUT it then causes the woman's body because the Rhesus factor as proteins alien to her own blood stream to react as if it is an infection, this usually causes a miscarriage, now there ARE drugs that can deal with it.

Now using Gene editing technology in a vaccine to cause your OWN cells to produce a protein from the viral sheath of the virus so that your immune cells will then learn to recognize this protein as an infection sounds all dandy does it not.

That is until you remember the body is destroying these proteins and will continue to do so as long as the cells are producing them but also as it is now part of the parents genetic code this artificial mutation will then be passed onto the Foetus when it is conceived, this in turn will mean the foetal cell's may then also produce it, get it the baby in the womb is producing something that will cause the immune system of the parent to react as if it is an infection just like the Rhesus factor does in a Rhesus negative mother's body.

So Miscarriage.

So you may say conspiracy theory or you may say oversight by scientists that should have known better or you may ask was it a deliberate action.

Agenda 21/30 and sustainable development, aka cutting the human population down but not by murdering everyone just by making them less fertile and in a period when we already have falling birth rates and not enough young children with a top heavy elderly population because of the already falling birth rate.

There is NOTHING sustainable about such a policy.

The nations that are NOT doing this to there people but are using traditional NON gene editing vaccines will be the ones that inherit the world from the so weakened nations elsewhere, the economy's will flatline with no consumer base and the third world will also inherit the first world because of this ludicrous and evil plan of a minority of elite scum bag's.

You want to go and jump of a cliff go ahead but don't try to convince us that being a Lemming is the right thing to do because it is simply NOT and in fact that argument is actually THE most irresponsible approach to protecting our nations, our future and most importantly our children I have ever heard, stop being brainwashed by the corporate controlled media and think for yourself.

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Idk, between the T&C and the disclaimers in related forums, idk what more can be expected from ATS with regards to protecting us from talking with ourselves.

a reply to: penroc3

This runs both ways. What if the vaccine ends up harming millions? Here you are advocating for it.

Honestly, no one can say anything about the vaccine, whatsoever. It has not been through 10 years of clinical trials.

Untested and unproven.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Boadicea

you and you ilk...

Isn't that special...

...have the right not to take it but leave others alone to talk to DOCTORS face to face.

We also have the right to share information, suspicions, concerns and possibilities. And none of that denies anyone the right or the ability to still go talk to their doctors face to face, and make their own decision for themselves.

I have seen kids recently with things they told us in school would be very rare to see in a lifetimes career because people aren't getting their vaccines.

One of those examples of fallibility I mentioned.

illnesses we had pretty much stamped out are starting to make a come back.

So it wasn't really "stamped out" at all. It was just the arrogance and hubris of the medical establishment that purported to have that ability...

Are you a doctor? or just preaching what someone else said about vaccines?(I know your not a doctor)

I'm not preaching anything. I'm not telling anyone that they should or should not have the vaccine. I'm just calling out the authoritarianism and tyranny to deny education and information to people and to force potentially harmful substances into people's bodies.

In my opinion, everyone should be fully informed of the potential risks and rewards in order to be able to make an informed opinion, and make the appropriate choice for themselves.

And I will add that there is something very very wrong when people are denied their right to informed consent... and do note this not an either/or situation. Both information and consent are paramount for each individual.

a reply to: penroc3

On a related note, I wonder when McKinsey & Company will face the consequences of their faulty consulting which led Cuomo and others to go against all common sense (what we all knew back in Feb 2020) and force nursing homes/assisted living to accept COVID positive patients?

We KNOW people died from their faulty consulting. But rather than face the law, McKinsey & Co. gets a fat check.

And given the rate of mutation in the Virus what next, more viral sheath genes added to our own DNA in yet another version of the vaccine, then some more, then some more and then some more again for other virus once they start to use this technique as a standard course of vaccination, how long before these added gene's mutate, how long before they cause tumours and worse.

a reply to: penroc3

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For me it’s quite simple.
If you want the vaccination, and have done enough research into it, then go for it.
If you are not sure, then take your time and do some research.
If you don’t want it you should still do research and see if you feel the same afterwards.

I could start a thread telling people not to take the vaccination. I could start one telling people to quit smoking. I could even start one explaining the pitfalls of alcohol consumption.

At the end of the day people have a choice.
I think the day ATS gets into the official line like Facebook and Twitter is the day we should all just grow a moustache and do a funny walk every time we go outside.

I think a site/mod reminder not to take medical advise from randoms on the internet would be a good idea and to consult their Dr for information on what risks (if any) Covid or the vaccine poses to them.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

I don't know how to find/use the search function but there's been plenty of threads on long debunked claims Covid isn't real or is innocuous and the vaccine poses more risk, the vaccine isn't a vaccine, doesn't offer any protection against asymptomatic/symptomatic infection, is untested, experimental, microchipping technology that causes infertility, cancer, autism, half a million disabled US soldiers, flase claims VAERS or Yellow Card stats are proven deaths or injuries from the vaccine etc....The same topic gets repeated every couple of months as they're regularly republished on social media or by alternative health companies selling vitamin/supplements on unproven claims they cure Covid.

These kind of threads used to end up in the Hoax Bin a few years ago but it's rarely if ever used these days for any topic - I imagine mods have good reason to barely use it these days; it may have caused more harm than good as people can see such actions as evidence of a cover up.