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originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Another Myth. When did the SNP Support Thatcher?, Putting up politicians to stand against Labour is not supporting Thatcherism in any way shape, or form.
Everything you don't agree with, or disturrbs your echo chamber is a myth. (sad face)
Anyway...
In 1979 the SNP MPs at Westmister did a deal with Margaret Thatcher to bring down the Labour government led by James Callaghan in a vote of no confidence. The vote of no confidence was won because of the support by the SNP - 311 votes to 310. Maggie was elected and the rest is history.
The SNP MPs were: Douglas Crawford, Margaret Ewing, Winnie Ewing, Douglas Henderson, Iain MacCormick, George Reid, Donald Stewart, George Thompson, Hamish Watt, Andrew Welsh and Gordon Wilson.
It's all in the historical record.
originally posted by: whereislogic
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And any globalist agenda so far (as in efforts to unite the world under human rulership) has already failed miserably, as elaborated on in my previous comment concerning the questions: “Whatever Happened to World Unity?” and “World Unity or Global Fragmentation?” It was a hopeless endeavor from the start. But it's definitely not the biggest threat, or should be of biggest concern, to those already prone to feelings of national pride and/or patriotism and victims (or potential victims) of nationalistic ideology. People looking to humans to bring about this global unity and getting on that bandwagon so to speak, do however receive the mark of the beast mentioned in Revelation 13:16, but that's a long story involving considerably more theology, so I won't bother you with that now.
... The political elements that are involved in the warfare make up the worldwide political system that Revelation 13:1-10 pictures as a ferocious “wild beast.” This includes the modern Anglo-American Dual World Power, the Seventh World Power spoken of in Bible prophecy. In fulfillment of Bible prophecy this Seventh World Power promoted the creation of an idolatrous “image” of the political “wild beast.” (Rev. 13:11-15) For more than fifty-six years now that “image” has attracted the attention of the world. The “image” is the international organization for world peace and security, first in the form of the League of Nations and now as the United Nations.
6. What symbolic “mark” do patriotic worshipers of the “wild beast” get, and what does this numerical “mark” signify?
6 Patriotic believers in national sovereignty and man-made forms of political rulership over all the earth really worship the political “wild beast.” They also trust in the “image” of that “wild beast” rather than Jehovah’s sovereign rulership by Christ. Nationalistically they lend hand and head to the support of those man-made arrangements for world domination. This results in their getting the “mark” that plainly shows that they are serving, not the interests of God’s kingdom, but those of self-governing mankind. They are not ashamed to be connected with the meaningful number, six hundred, sixty and six, the identifying number of the political “wild beast.” In the Bible six is the number used to signify human imperfection, human shortcoming. Hence, 600 plus 60 plus 6 denotes human imperfection and deficiency in an intensified way, particularly in human rulership of the earth. Today we can see more clearly than ever before the frustrating failure of man’s political rulership because of its imperfection, inadequacy and corruptness. It is found wanting before God.—Rev. 13:16-18.
7. What do political patrioteers try to force everybody else to join them in doing, and for whom does this pose a test of faithfulness?
7 Patrioteers who worship the “wild beast” and its “image” proudly wear the “number of its name [666].” They put pressure upon everybody else to force them to join in worshiping the “wild beast” and thereby getting marked as belonging to the man-made political state, not to God. ...
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The mark of the beast
The Bible says that people receive “the mark of the wild beast” because they follow it “with admiration,” to the point of worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3, 4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or its military might. As The Encyclopedia of Religion states: “Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.” * [See also Nationalism in a Global Era, page 134, and Nationalism and the Mind: Essays on Modern Culture, page 94.]
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originally posted by: sapien82
the union is done the royals are done , end this #ing farce of a union and maybe we can get some actual #ing democracy in these islands for once
Not the tories stealing all our money and telling us whats good for us
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
In Other news. UK Government to take the Scottish parliament to the high court to prevent them from passing legislation that protects Children's rights in Scotland. Let that sink in for a moment.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: paraphi
The Scottish education system is outperforming the English equivalent. The Scottish NHS is outperforming the English equivalent.
Without quoting a Unionist rag or echo chamber, Which "wide-ranging powers have the Scottish government misused.
In fact, Name some of these all-important wide-ranging powers that actually benefit Scotland and it's people.
Kids regardless of how much money their parents have can go to university here in Scotland, for free.
Free public transport for those over 60 and disabled,
free prescriptions for all since 2011.
Lower Council tax than England. frozen for a decade.
Free parking at hospitals.
Free school meals for children Both school and pre school,
Free sanitary products for all schools, colleges, and universities. The first country in the world to do so.
Free childcare for 2-4-year-olds.
Tories Bedroom tax..Gone
free personal care for all regardless of their income, capital, age, If you need the help, it's available...free.
All tolls on bridges scrapped and a massive new bridge built over the forth estuary, on time, and under budget.
No bailiffs kicking in doors for debt.
High NHS pay rise in the UK.
I could go on and on how the Scottish parliament has "Misused" it's "30% devolved powers", but i'll call it quits for a day. Sick and tired of schooling you lot.
The Scottish Government under the SNP does its best for the people of Scotland, unlike those at Westminster who do everything for themselves.
What we could achieve as a nation if we had total control of our finances instead of the pocket money Westminster hands us is limitless.
It's not Scotland that would be the basket case upon regaining its independence. Coupled with Brexit, England is Donald Ducked.
grousebeater.wordpress.com...
Scotland’s deficit of 8.6% of GDP is a full 6.0 percentage points of GDP higher, a gap equivalent to almost £11 billion. Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
In Other news. UK Government to take the Scottish parliament to the high court to prevent them from passing legislation that protects Children's rights in Scotland. Let that sink in for a moment.
It's because the Scottish government are working outside of their competencies.
originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: paraphi
The Scottish education system is outperforming the English equivalent. The Scottish NHS is outperforming the English equivalent.
Without quoting a Unionist rag or echo chamber, Which "wide-ranging powers have the Scottish government misused.
In fact, Name some of these all-important wide-ranging powers that actually benefit Scotland and it's people.
Kids regardless of how much money their parents have can go to university here in Scotland, for free.
Free public transport for those over 60 and disabled,
free prescriptions for all since 2011.
Lower Council tax than England. frozen for a decade.
Free parking at hospitals.
Free school meals for children Both school and pre school,
Free sanitary products for all schools, colleges, and universities. The first country in the world to do so.
Free childcare for 2-4-year-olds.
Tories Bedroom tax..Gone
free personal care for all regardless of their income, capital, age, If you need the help, it's available...free.
All tolls on bridges scrapped and a massive new bridge built over the forth estuary, on time, and under budget.
No bailiffs kicking in doors for debt.
High NHS pay rise in the UK.
I could go on and on how the Scottish parliament has "Misused" it's "30% devolved powers", but i'll call it quits for a day. Sick and tired of schooling you lot.
The Scottish Government under the SNP does its best for the people of Scotland, unlike those at Westminster who do everything for themselves.
What we could achieve as a nation if we had total control of our finances instead of the pocket money Westminster hands us is limitless.
It's not Scotland that would be the basket case upon regaining its independence. Coupled with Brexit, England is Donald Ducked.
grousebeater.wordpress.com...
And that is why Scotland is in DEBT. Someone has to pay for it. No such thing as a FREE anything.
Scotland’s deficit of 8.6% of GDP is a full 6.0 percentage points of GDP higher, a gap equivalent to almost £11 billion. Total borrowing is equivalent to £2,776 per person in Scotland, compared to £855 per person across the UK as a whole.
www.ifs.org.uk...
Nationalism is well described by the psalmist’s expression, “the pestilence causing adversities.” (Psalm 91:3) It has been like a plague on humanity, leading to untold suffering. Nationalism with its resultant hatred of other peoples has existed for centuries. Today, nationalism continues to fan the flames of divisiveness, and human rulers have not been able to stop it.
In a flurry of published information celebrating Albert Einstein’s centennial, news columnist Joseph Kraft wrote concerning Einstein’s views on nationalism: “[Einstein] set an example in renouncing nationalism. ‘I never identified myself with any particular country,’ he once wrote. He called nationalism ‘an infantile disease . . . the measles of the human race.’” (note the similarity with Psalm 91:3)
If people had no national pride to manipulate, there would be nothing to play on, to build on, so it's a useful starting point for those who first promote national pride before they start pushing that particular button. As the Bible proverb puts it: “Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling.” (Pr 16:18) This is a warning that the individual who does not get rid of his pride will suffer. ...
In the form of inordinate self-esteem or haughtiness, pride can also make a person more susceptible to prejudice. For example, it may make him inclined to believe propaganda that elevates his national or ethnic group. Clever propagandists, such as Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, have deliberately nurtured national and racial pride to rally the support of the masses and to malign those considered to be different or undesirable.
What more does the Bible have to say about it? “Everyone that is proud in heart is something detestable to Jehovah.” (Proverbs 16:5) “[Do] nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with lowliness of mind [consider] that the others are superior to you.” (Philippians 2:3) Ask yourself: ‘Do I take secret delight in flattering comments about my own race or national group or in disparaging remarks about others?
originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Soloprotocol
Oh Lordie. Is this from an SNP pamphlet?
Nothing is free. All this "free" in Scotland is because you Scots get more money from the UK then the English approaching £2K per person.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: sapien82
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But I was trying to avoid incorporating too much theology in my commentary (especially my initial commentary). Don't want my comments moderated again because of the phenomena described and prophecied at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (which also makes it harder for some people to really register what I'm pointing out, to not dismiss it right away because it doesn't tickle their ears and because of the conditioned aversion to anything remotely tied into the truths* of the Bible). ...
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4) (the bolded part is the conditioned aversion I spoke about earlier; the footnote became a bit long after my edits)
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